A deal I'm willing to make with gun control

[lawodevolution]

I will trade closing the "gun show loophole" for opening up NFA to new manufactured firearms and a new amendment to the constitution that forbids government at any level from suppressing or oppressing the practice of a right in the constitution (of the US) by requiring extra paperwork beyond a background check or by either directly or indirectly increasing the natural free market cost of practicing that right; that is no fees or taxes can be required in order to buy a firearm, ammo or accessories for the firearm (same goes for religion, speech etc). Also background checks will not be able to ban an individual from purchase of a firearm unless that person was found guilty in court of a violent crime (how we do this now) or the individual was found to be so mentally ill that a judge made a court order to admit the individual into a mental hospital. This will result in all license, registration requirements, taxes or fees for firearms to be abolished.

[ileus]

1. Sold sounds good to me.

question is....will this include all private sales anywhere or just at a funshow?

[lawodevolution]

5. It's the gun show loophole, I doubt the Feds can even regulate private sales that involve people

Who live in the same state. They may be able to forbid private sales at gunshows given that people from various states and countries go to them.

[Hoopla Phil]

2. That's a "compromise" I could accept. n/t

[Dr_Scholl]

3. I'll take that deal.

n/m

[jaxx]

4. Looks lopsided to me.

The loopholes are wrong to start with, skirting the laws. Your gimme's are denying any sort of gun control at all. Any violent crime, whether prosecuted or not, is reason to not let someone with a temper own a gun. Gun owners need to be licensed, all guns need to be registered, and fees are a part of that. Really, you didn't give up anything and expect to get it all.

[lawodevolution]

7. I think we'll get all this without having to make a deal.

It's wrong for the government to oppress gun ownership by increasing paperwork (will discriminate against people of lower education levels) or by expecting fees (which oppresses the poor). Owning a firearm is a right, backed by supreme court decisions. I thought we were supposed to fight for and protect the rights of the vulnerable members of society rather than using government as a means to bully people into not participating in their rights.

[jaxx]

9. Gun owners aren't the vulnerable members of society.

You get to have guns, you always have. Some protections for the rest of us isn't asking much.

[dmallind]

10. All those laws against using guns to hurt others should be enough

Or do you think someone willing to commit murder or armed robbery will balk at subverting licensing requirements?

[jaxx]

11. People snap every day. It's not uncommon.

Just register the guns and get yourself licensed to own them, it's not asking much.

[dmallind]

15. a) it's massively uncommon - most killers are repeat felons b) how would licenses prevent it? nt

[Atypical Liberal]

20. The "people stnap" myth.

People snap every day. It's not uncommon.

Actually, it's very uncommon. Most firearm homicides are committed by people with extensive prior criminal histories, including, on average, 4 felonies.

http://www.cardozolawreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138:kates201086&catid=20:firearmsinc&Itemid=20

The idea that normal, law-abiding people routinely just "snap" and shoot people is a myth. Yes, it happens, but very rarely.

Just register the guns and get yourself licensed to own them, it's not asking much.

I don't mind licensing, so long as it is an opt-out system rather than an opt-in system, as part of a driver's license or state-issued ID system.

But anonymous firearm ownership is a must and is non-negotiable. Registering firearms or owners is not acceptable and I will not comply with either.

[beevul]

69. Lol.

"Just register the guns and get yourself licensed to own them, it's not asking much."


Thats asking for the whole enchilada.

Federal license to exersise a constitutionally protected fundamental right?

There already exists case law saying such things are unconstitutional.


Register the guns federally? Already illegal at the federal level under the gun owners protection act of 1986.

But anyway...


Even if those two avenues were free of legal hangups...

Thats asking for the whole enchilada.

No sale.

[GreenStormCloud]

70. "Snapping", A peaceful person suddenly turning violent, is a myth.

Murderers almost always have violent histories long before their first murder.

[guitar man]

13. you get to have guns too

if you want to. It's your right too, your choice.

[Callisto32]

23. You have that.

Protection of the law, I mean.

All the bad stuff you can do with a gun is, get this, ALREADY ILLEGAL!

[lawodevolution]

25. The vulnerable people of society are the poor, the under educated, and also the disabled.

Making a civil liberty such as gun ownership more difficult for them goes against the principles of liberty and the civil rights movement.

Exactly what "protections" do you want. Does it involve forcing me to give up my sAK47 or any of my large capacity magazines?

[guitar man]

28. That's what I can't understand

I have had firearms for almost 40 years now. I've hunted with them, shot targets, used them for pest control, collected them and generally enjoyed having them all this time. I've shot literally tens of thousands of rounds and never injured or killed a human with them, handled them carefully and never had an accident with them, never caused malicious property damage with them or anything of the sort. I know there are millions of other gun owners in this country just like me.

So the puzzling question is, why does any body need "to be protected" from me or others like me? what is to be gained by restricting our rights even further than the 22,000+ federal, state and local laws restricting guns and gun owners already do?

I just don't get it.

[shadowrider]

29. Because gunz iz bad and I'ma skert of 'em n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

40. "I have had firearms for almost 40 years now...used them for pest control"

Jehovah's Witnesses don't qualify.

[guitar man]

43. lulz!

I usually just let the dog take care of them :P

[Nuclear Unicorn]

64. poor doggy n/t

[Starboard Tack]

55. What I don't get

is if you've spent 40 years shooting guns and never needed to use one to maim or kill another person, then why do you need them at all. Lots of people shoot at targets and hunt with bows, which is a helluva lot more fun, more economical, more sporting and far less likely to disturb the peace of others. The peace of mind of society as a whole is a lot more important than an individuals desire to carry a lethal weapon for "pest control".

[guitar man]

59. It's not about "need"

It's not up to you to tell me what I "need" or dictate what I'm supposed to like or not like. The fact is, the Constitution says law abiding have a RIGHT to have them and unless the Second Amendment is repealed that's exactly what I'll do. If my responsible and lawful ownership and use of my firearms disturbs somebody's "peace of mind" that badly I'd suggest they pack up and move to a country that better suits them.

And FYI, I have a couple bows also, I used to really enjoy shooting them a lot but over the past few years an old shoulder injury has degenerated the use of my right arm to where it's pretty hard for me to pull a bow anymore.

[GreenStormCloud]

71. Because tonight he may have to fight off a violent criminal.

Guns are a very good tool for that.

[YllwFvr]

90. you dont "need"

to express your opinion about our government. Some countries take a very dim view on it. You could go your whole life without expressing any inflammatory comments in public. You dont need to do it at all.
Its a right to speak your mind even if its an ugly thought that goes against the grain. Ill give you an example of an unpopular opinion of mine that people generally dislike, but I can say it anyway.

Felons should be able to have guns.

My opinion, I didnt need to express it, but I have the right to.

In a forum like this, to be real, that right doesnt really exist but you get the picture im sure.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. So if someone belongs to a (non-)religous group or party that carries the bulk of electoral power

they should be registered too?

[dmallind]

8. the "loophole" is written in the law explicitly.

Private sellers are explicitly banned from access to the NICS. I wish we were not, but this is not a loophole, and of course has nothing to do with gunshows. That terminology distorts non-expert understanding and discussion as much as "global warming" which idiots think can be refuted by a cold winter (ironically made more so by "global warming").

[Callisto32]

22. Bullshit.

There is no such thing as a loophole. What you mean is "complying with a law that I don't like."

At least be honest.

[rl6214]

74. And just how do you propose

to get all of those guns registered?

[YllwFvr]

89. the loopeholes are deliberate

its not a loophole at all. Thats just a cute name antis give it.

That having been said will you make the trade? Is it a deal?

[dmallind]

6. I'm not too bothered by NFA personally.

Not sure if full autos are much beyond a minority cool toy interest. I'd prefer to trade national CCW reciprocity. We can show that CCW at least has had no negative effects on an aggregate basis, and possibly some positive ones, so it's also an easier "sale" I would think, and would benefit more gunowners than NFA surely.

In fact I would support standardized CCW testing requirements for that too. Someone carrying a gun in public SHOULD be expected to know the law regarding defensive use and should have some basic capability to use the thing. Not 10 in a 3" circle at 50' but being able to hit COM at 21' should be feasible and responsible. *I* don't want to be around armed people who can't hit who they are aiming at at short range.

[BeFree]

12. All gun owners should wear a notice

If you are carrying a gun, I want you to be easily noticed and recognized.

Is that too much to ask?

[shadowrider]

14. Kinda like a yellow or pink star? n/t

[dmallind]

16. what an ironic name you have. Intentional irony or idiocy? nt

[BeFree]

36. Be free of jerks with a gun

I talk to a lot of wackos... politics, ya know?

I'd like to be aware of the fact they are armed and dangerous before I make them feel like an idiot for their politics.

It's just safer that way.

[GreenStormCloud]

72. BULLSHIT.

There are about eight million citizen with CCW permits. Please point to a single case in which a CCW holder shot somebody because he was losing an argument.

[Hoopla Phil]

78. Perhaps you should consider everyone you encounter to be armed.

It makes for a "nicer" conversation that way.

I'm reminded of a Heinlein quote.

[texshelters]

18. A scarlett letter perhaps?

Peace,
Tex Shelters

[Atypical Liberal]

21. So you advocate open carry?

So you would prefer open carry to concealed carry, then?

[Callisto32]

24. No.

We can't have that. Remember, open carry is only to be scary, and intimidate people, and this would have the same effect.

[YllwFvr]

92. his idea is the same thing.

Its open carry. It may be concealed but if you had a yellow star, to use another posters suggestion, then everyone would know you had it, so there would be no point in concealing since it would be obvious. The "intimidation" would remain.

[Callisto32]

95. That is what I said, I thought.

Sorry if my attempt at sarcasm fell flat without proper inflection.

[YllwFvr]

96. sorry, im blaming my very late night

I dont know what exactly I was getting at with that post

[lawodevolution]

26. "All gun owners should wear a notice" Posted by BeFree

I'm not surprised from this type of comment from an anti gun poster. Would it be similar to the star of David Jews had to wear in NAZI occupied Europe.

[BeFree]

35. Not anti-gun

Guns are cool and part of the constitution.

We can't control guns except for big bad ass guns, but we can control the people who carry them around, right?

[shadowrider]

38. You'd "brand" in some way, the people that carry them around though, right? n/t

[BeFree]

45. Stooping to making up words, eh?

Notice.... noticeable... being able to be identified as a gun carrying person. Not brand. Just stop it.

We can't control guns but we can control the people who are carrying. Why not?

[shadowrider]

46. Uh uh. You said it

"All gun owners should wear a notice" Posted by BeFree

That's branding whether by external removeable notices or permanent ones.

Don't deny you said it, ok?

[BeFree]

49. I didn't use the word 'brand'

But hey, if you think 'brand' is what needs to be done, go ahead.
Who am I to argue?

A well regulated militia.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

54. Why the continuous citation of "well regulate militia?

when the exact same amendment also says, "the right of the people ... shall not be infringed"

Kinda selective, don't you think?

[Starboard Tack]

58. Why would you compare it to a Star of David?

Jews don't choose to be Jews. Gun owners choose to carry and the rest of us have a right to know, so we can get the hell away from them. We don't want to have to figure out which side of the bed they woke up on.

[Glassunion]

63. Since you bring up choice...

Should those who have had, or are going to have an abortion have to wear a notice? They are only exercising a choice.
Should those who vote have to wear a notice of their choice?

I have a question on your comments:"so we can get the hell away from them. We don't want to have to figure out which side of the bed they woke up on."

Could you murder or inflict bodily harm on someone else for no good reason?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

65. Politics has killed hundreds of millions

Perhaps political affiliations should be marked.

You must choose to be tattooed with a "D" or an "R".

If you fail to choose you will be branded with a question mark.

[Glassunion]

66. More importantly we should brand(place notice upon) people with either a C or a V

I want nothing to do with someone who would choose Chocolate Soft-Serve over Vanilla. Them's the crazy fuckers you gotta watch out for!!!

P.S. How's the cat? Mine is getting so big.

[Starboard Tack]

67. Sure I could and I would if they pointed a gun at me

and I wouldn't need a gun to do it.

[Glassunion]

68. You did not answer the question.

Could you murder or inflict bodily harm on someone else for no good reason?

[Hoopla Phil]

80. Why would a lawful person be pointing a gun at you?

You wouldn't have done something unlawful to prompt that would you?

[RSillsbee]

81. Why do all these unarmed people

just assume they can over come an armed person?

[Euromutt]

77. Fine, a red triangle then, or a purple one

Those were the symbols, respectively, for leftists and "Bible Students" (e.g. Jehova's Witnesses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Student_movement), both of which are, after all, a choice.

[Hoopla Phil]

79. Um yes, religion IS a choice. n/t

[YllwFvr]

93. good luck keeping away from them

about 1 in 10 have a permit here, and even if only half carried you'd still be around them all the time.

[ileus]

30. Reason being?

[shadowrider]

39. "Nuts" n/t

[Glassunion]

50. General McAuliffe... Is that you?

[shadowrider]

52. And young people on this thread

who either chose not to read history and/or weren't taught it, are sayin..

"Huh????????" Wazzat mean.

[Glassunion]

61. True... What I want to know is how the general moved around?

The man must have needed a wheel barrow for his giant brass balls...

Yup

[shadowrider]

62. Either he went incognito as a sargeant (Absolutely no saluting) or somethin or tunnels

Either case, he had a set of brass ones for sure.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

41. I've seen bumper stickers that say

"Driver only carries $20 worth of ammunition."

Does that count?

[shadowrider]

42. I GOTTA get me one of those HAHAHA n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

47. Ironically, those stickers came about because delivery drivers

were being constantly robbed so the food merchants keep their drivers to $20 and publicly state as much hoping the thieves feel the effort won't be worth the haul.

We must wonder if $20 cash would be worth $20 dollars of ammunition that would go with it.

Remember that htread from last week where dude was chiding the old man for opening his door after dark?

Perhaps we should institute a policy where everyone must openly declare how much cash/valuable they have on their persons and if they carry "excessive" amounts they bear full responsibility if they are robbed.

[shadowrider]

48. My defensive rounds

.40 cal, 165 grain hollowpoint, cost $21 for 25 rounds. Moving on a buck a round.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

53. oh my

Perhaps on the flip side BeFree would advocate people who are UNarmed publicly declare that fact.

That way they can easily be distinguished in public by people similarly situated for mutual company.

Or others who might be interested by such information.

[YllwFvr]

94. good idea

I wonder... If that were done and armed people had one symbol, and unarmed had another, which group do you think would suffer more from rapes, assaults, robberies and murders???

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

57. Federal HST +P all the way... about $25 for a full 50 round box.

Bar none, one of the widest and consistent opening defensive rounds out there.
Big 'ole hollowpoint. The only catch is that you gotta make sure it feeds in your gun.

[Hoopla Phil]

82. My defensive ammo. $30.00 for a box of 20 if you can find it.

Aguila I.Q. brand .45 ammo.

[BeFree]

51. Those are great!!

I've seen a few of those.

[Name removed]

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[rl6214]

76. i think it should be more like

If you are NOT carrying a gun, you should get a big yellow ribbon so the muggers, rapists and murderers know who the easy targets are.

[BeFree]

85. well

I'd say a very large percentage of muggers, rapists, and murderers feel they can mug, rape, and murder because they have a gun.

Y'know, since there has been tighter gun control - rather tighter control on the people who want guns - the crime rate has gone down. Correlation?

[BeFree]

86. Here's a great idea

Make all bullets radioactive. That way bullets glow in the dark and are very easily noticed by scanners.
They could even have an app for that?

Therefore, if you are carrying a loaded gun, you could be easily noticed?

[Glassunion]

87. Wow 12 posts in and we have envoked Godwin's law...

Not bad...

[YllwFvr]

91. how about open carry?

im all for that

[texshelters]

17. What, did you copy and paste this

from the NRA website?

All laws go under judicial review and can be legally challenged. You want to change the constitution and eliminate some of the checks and balances thus making such an amendment unconstitutional. People are quick to forget the phrase "well regulated militia".

Guns have enough protections and no one wants to take away your security blanket. You can have a gun with few restrictions, and now you want to make them impossible to regulate?

Stop making up issues to rail against.

Peace,
Tex Shelters

[lawodevolution]

27. Response

"People are quick to forget the phrase "well regulated militia". "

I'm glad you brought this up. We have had discussions on this before. The militia clause is a dependent clause which means it is only extra information and does not govern or rationalize the independent clause after it. If you have a doubt you should buy an English grammar book. And if you need more evidence look up heller vs DC, the militia argument has been put to rest, time to move on.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

44. In that same amendment we also read:

"the right of the people ... shall not be infringed"

in·fringe verb \in-ˈfrinj\
in·fringed in·fring·ing
Definition of INFRINGE
transitive verb
1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
2 (obsolete) : defeat, frustrate

[Glassunion]

60. "Guns have enough protections and no one wants to take away your security blanket(guns)"

Really... no one pushing gun control wants to take away guns?

I disagree. Here is but a short quick list of individuals or organizations who want(ed) to ban firearms...

(Groups)
The VPC Leaders and Members
The HCI(Brady Campaign) Leaders and Members

(Legislators)
Major R. Owens
Mel Reynolds
Bill Clay
Jerry Nadler
Eleanor Holmes Norton
John Lewis
Nydia Velazquez
Ron Dellums
Carrie Meek
Alcee Hastings
John H. Chafee
Stephen J. Solarz
John H. Chafee
Bobby Rush
Major Owens
William L. Clay


(Presidents)
Richard Nixon
Bill Clinton

(Other)
Michael Gartner - NBC News President
Joyner Sims - Florida State Health Dept
Patrick V. Murphy - New York City Police Commissioner
League of Women Voters of Illinois
William Bryan Mateja - U.S. Attourney
Richard Daley - Mayor
Barbara Fass - Mayor
Henry Cisneros - Secretary of Housing and Urban Development

(The Communitarian Network)
Rodolfo Alvarez (University of California, Los Angeles)
John B. Anderson (Presidential Candidate, 1980)
Benjamin R. Barber (Rutgers University)
Robert N. Bellah (University of California, Berkeley)
Warren Bennis (University of Southern California)
Janice M. Beyer (University of Texas, Austin)
David Blankenhorn (President, Institute of American Values)
John E. Brandl (University of Minnesota; former Minnesota State Senator, Representative)
James Childress (University of Virginia)
Bryce J. Christensen (President, The Family in America, The Rockford Institute)
Henry Cisneros (Former Mayor, San Antonio, Texas)
John C. Coffee (Columbia University Law School)
David Cohen (Co-Director, Advocacy Institute)
Anthony E. Cook (Georgetown University Law School)
Harvey Cox (Harvard Divinity School)
Thomas Donaldson (Georgetown University)
Thomas W. Dunfee (Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania)
Stuart E. Eizenstat (Attorney, Washington, D.C.)
Lloyd Elliott (President Emeritus, George Washington University)
Lean Bethke Elshtain (Vanderbilt University)
Amitai Etzioni (George Washington University)
Chester E. Finn, Jr. (Vanderbilt University)
James Fishkin (University of Texas, Austin)
Carol Tucker Foreman (Partner, Foreman & Heidepriem)
Betty Friedan (New York City)
William A. Galston (University of Maryland)
John W. Gardner (Stanford University)
Neil Gilbert (University of California, Berkeley)
Mary Ann Glendon (Harvard Law School)
T. George Harris (New York, NY)
David K. Hart (Brigham Young University)
Jeffrey R. Henig (George Washington University)
Albert O. Hirschman (Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton)
James Hunter (University of Virginia)
Hillel Levine (Boston University)
George C. Lodge (Harvard Business School)
Malcolm Lovell, Jr. (President, National Planning Association)
Duncan MacRae, Jr. (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill)
Frank Mankiewicz (Vice Chairman, Hill and Knowlton)
Jane Mansbridge (Northwestern University)
Gary Marx (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)
Thomas McCollough (Duke University)
John L. McKnight (Northwestern University)
Newton N. Minow (Former F.C.C. Chairman; Attorney, Chicago, Illinois)
Charles Moskos (Northwestern University)
Ilene H. Nagel (U.S. Sentencing Commission and Indiana University)
Richard John Neuhaus (President, Religion and Public Life Institute)
William C. Norris (Chairman, William C. Norris Institute, Minneapolis, Minnesota)
Michael Pertschuk (Co-Director, Advocacy Institute)
Chase N. Peterson (President-Emeritus, University of Utah)
Grethe B. Peterson (University of Utah)
Terry Pinkard (Georgetown University)
David Popenoe (Rutgers University)
David Reisman (Harvard University)
Alice S. Rossi (Former President, American Sociological Association; Amherst, Massachusetts)
William D. Ruckelshaus (Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, Browning-Ferris Industries; Houston, Texas)
Isabel Sawhill (Senior Fellow, The Urban Institute)
Kurt L. Schmoke (Mayor of Baltimore)
Phillip Selznick (University of California, Berkeley)
Albert Shanker (President, American Federation of Teachers)
Fred Siegel (Cooper Union)
Gillian Martin Sorensen (President, National Conference of Christians and Jews, Inc.)
Thomas Spragens, Jr. (Duke University)
Margaret O'Brien Steinfels (Editor, Commonweal)
Adlai E. Stevenson (Chicago, Illinois)
Peter L. Strauss (Columbia University)
William Sullivan (LaSalle University)
Robert Theobald (New Orleans, Louisiana)
Lester C. Thurow (Dean, Sloan School of Management. Massachusetts Institute of Technology)
Daniel Thursz (President, The National Council on the Aging)
Kenneth Tollett (Howard University)
Barbara Dafoe Whitehead (Amherst, Massachusetts)
Dennis H. Wrong (New York University)
Daniel Yankelovich (President, Public Agenda Foundation)


I could go on... What is it we are making up again?

[Hoopla Phil]

83. I don't think you understand what "well regulated" or "militia" mean

in the context of the 2A. Try reading Heller and it's citations. Especially the citations.

[friendly_iconoclast]

88. Have *you* visited the NRA's website to know if he did or didn't?

I rather doubt it.

I notice NRA haters rarely, if ever quote the actual NRA website.


Perhaps to avoid having to deal with what they actually say vs. the various elaborate strawmen they build....

[oneshooter]

19. Lets do the same thing for automobiles.

After all they kill, wound and maim more people than firearms do.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[May Hamm]

31. No.

You are willing to give up other people's right to sell and buy guns free from government interference in exchange for - what, exactly? Actually, nothing. You still want government interference in transferring the ownership of firearms. Maybe these other people aren't willing to make that trade since it is their right you are giving up.

[lawodevolution]

33. No, just give up private sales at gun shows

It would be impossible for the Feds to make it illegal for one person to sell a gun to another person who are both residents of the same state if the gun never leaves the state. And every person who is barred or intimidated from owning a firearm is one person less who cares about RKBA. This is why every law the anti gun groups try to pass involves reducing gun ownership rates, because that reduces pro gun activity. Eliminating laws that make it more expensive or more complicated to buy guns is my primary goal right now as a pro gun activist, that and taking people to the range. If they want to close the gunshow loophole who cares, just do the private sales elsewhere.

[May Hamm]

56. Nope.

You are still willing to prohibit what other private citizens do. Not something that affects you but something that applies to the other guy. I don't call that a compromise. I call the act of an hypocrite - the only bad law is one that touches you personally.

[beevul]

73. Its hardly discussed.

" This is why every law the anti gun groups try to pass involves reducing gun ownership rates, because that reduces pro gun activity."

The methodology at work there, its the operating methodology of the movement itself, now.

People don't talk much about that.

[LAGC]

84. Yeah, but how long until they cry "close the classifieds loophole."

You really think they'll stop with gun-shows? They won't be satisfied until all private party sales are banned.

[RSillsbee]

32. Abso FRAKKING lutely not

The grabber's concept of compromise it take half of what we want now and the rest later.

Closing "The gun show loophole' would have zero effect on crime and only make things harder for law abiding citizens.

I have a better compromise; how about we keep pushing, get shall issue in all 50 states, then work on Constitutional Carry. Once we have that we push for a repeal of NFA.

That's my compromise

[lawodevolution]

34. I like your spirit. Trust me, what you wrote in your post is how it's going to happen

The offer of compromise is to make a point, that they would never go for it so the only way to go from here is to take out the bad laws without compromise