Go to this link every day......very informative!! Bookmark it!

[KansasVoter]

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=accidental+shooting

[S_B_Jackson]

1. Sure, why not.....

By the way...How did that Concealed Carry Class you were taking end up?

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[Hoopla Phil]

2. Try this instead.

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=shooting+ruled+self+defense

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[Katya Mullethov]

23. Excellent . Try this one Brother Phil

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&&sa=X&ei=kHVXTdf0GcKclgeRrKyYBw&sqi=2&ved=0CBcQvwUoAQ&q=killer+had+multiple+felony+convictions%22&spell=1&fp=92188ee12107320c

[Hoopla Phil]

6. So just when is that concealed carry class you said you were going to take.

I'm looking forward to hearing about it.

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[S_B_Jackson]

38. I suspect that the lack of an answer to our queries

IS our answer. It was all talk, no cattle as it were.

[Hoopla Phil]

7. For those interested here is another great link to check.

Don't need to check it every day as it is full of boring statistics and facts.

http://gunfacts.info/

[KansasVoter]

10. Yes, because GOOGLE news is as biased as a pro-gun web site! LOL!

[Hoopla Phil]

12. The info is well cited. If you dispute it please tell us on what basis.

Or is it just your faith that keeps you from believing the facts and stats?

[KansasVoter]

14. No, I do not trust or believe pro-gun sites. But I do believe google news.

[Hoopla Phil]

15. I see you do not dispute and of the data. You just refuse to believe it. Faith is like that.

[Hoopla Phil]

16. How about this google news? Do you believe this?

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=shooting+ruled+self+defense

[KansasVoter]

17. LOL....you made my point.......

See the dates on those? Most are days ago. The accidental shooting news is HOURS old.

Wow, keep trying to make my post look wrong. You are helping me.

[Hoopla Phil]

18. And yet it has been proven that defensive gun uses happen apx. 1.5 MILLION

times each year. Headlines are no basis for policy - reality is.

[KansasVoter]

20. I call bullshit on those numbers.....

There were 1.3 million violent crimes in the USA in 2009.

So there were 1.5 million defensive gun uses??? So a gun use for every violent crime.

So each of the defensive gun uses should produce a police report. Anytime a gun is pulled it should produce a reportable crime.

Please explain your BS.

[slackmaster]

28. False as to fact

Anytime a gun is pulled it should produce a reportable crime.

That's just nonsense.

[KansasVoter]

33. So why would you NOT report it? Someone tried to commit a crime.

[slackmaster]

34. Do you know what happens when you call the police and report that someone tried, say, to rob you?

And the person was unsuccessful, and nobody was killed or injured?

At least around here and other large cities, they won't take a formal report.

Police in San Diego usually won't even respond to a car crash unless someone is injured or killed.

[KansasVoter]

36. Bullshit.....

If they pulled a weapon on you, or simulated a weapon, they take a police report.

[slackmaster]

37. Not if the police didn't see it happen

If you don't have a name or address for the suspect, their attitude is that the case would come down to one person's word against another in the highly unlikely event that they find the suspect.

It's not worth their time to take a report for something like that.

Your eyes will be opened when you take that CCW class, if the instructor does a good job.

[X_Digger]

35. What category does *attempted* rape fall under? *attempted* assault?

Please, point out those figures for us.

Hint, there are about 5M *attempted* violent crimes.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus07.pdf

[Euromutt]

29. "Proven" is too strong a word, Phil; but it is what the available evidence points to

Any scientific finding is ultimately provisional; if new evidence crops up tomorrow proving the finding false, then that's all she wrote. However, there is strong evidence, based on the Kleck/Gertz study, the subsequent Cook/Ludwig study, and a lesser known study by Hemenway and Azrael (among others) that an estimate of 1.5 million DGUs annually is highly plausible, as this number fell within the confidence intervals of all three studies. Do note, however, that all three studies were conducted in the early to mid-1990s, when violent crime levels were markedly higher than they are now, so there's no telling whether those numbers are current.

It does say something for the soundness of the Kleck/Gertz study that, after a couple of studies by known anti-gunners more or less confirmed Kleck & Gertz's findings, nobody's taken another crack at trying to determine numbers of DGUs. Oh, lots of people argue why It Stands To Reason that the Kleck/Gertz study's findings can't be right, but nobody's produced any evidence that indicates they were wrong.

[Euromutt]

26. Google News itself might not be, but its sources might

Google doesn't gather news itself; it merely collates reports from various news media and press agencies. Which means that whatever crops on Google News is going to be what those news media consider to be "newsworthy," and that more often means "whatever will keep the punters reading/watching/listening (and thus sell advertising space)" than it means "what we think people actually need to be told about."

News media make use of our instinct to want to gather information about possible threats to our well-being to keep us watching, primarily by keeping us scared. If you only watched/read the news, you could readily gain the impression that most homicides in this country are mass/spree shootings, intimate partner killings, and familicides. You'd be wrong, but those are the types of homicide that get the most coverage. The reason for this is that these kinds of murders are ones of which the news media can convince you could happen to you, which means you'll keep watching/reading, hoping to gain information you can use to protect yourself (you won't get it, of course).

In the weeks since January 8th, many more people have been shot, fatally or otherwise, in cities like Detroit, Oakland, Baltimore, etc. than were at La Toscana Village Mall. And yet, we remain fixated on that incident. Why? Because the news media have correctly divined that most consumers of news aren't urban young black men involved in the drugs trade, which is the demographic most likely to be both the perpetrator and the victim of homicide, and that said news consumers care more about incidents of which they might conceivably have become a victim than ones that don't directly affect them.

[AtheistCrusader]

9. Top link is a police officer that killed himself at the range.

Nice. Thanks for this. I guess.

[KansasVoter]

11. The top link on my search is a dead 13 year old girl.

[Katya Mullethov]

22. Lucky you

Congratulations !

[Hoopla Phil]

13. Same when I clicked it. I wonder why that is.

[X_Digger]

19. Go to this one too.. it doesn't change much, though..

[KansasVoter]

32. Yep, as numbers of hunters drop so do hunting accidents

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[rrneck]

24. There, fixed it for you.

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=self+defense+shooting

Of course, it didn't get either of us anywhere.


!

[KansasVoter]

30. LOL.....half of them they claimed self defense but where still charged! Made my case!!

[rrneck]

39. Half weren't charged. Made my case. nt

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[Euromutt]

25. To quote Roger Brinner, "The plural of anecdote is not data."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

[slackmaster]

27. Anecdotes are great for supporting an appeal to emotion, but real facts are more useful

...in determining public policy.

Find the real facts about accidental shootings from real data from the CDC at WISQARS. Roll your own query for fatal or non-fatal accidental injuries by firearm, and the truth about accidental shootings becomes clear. I think the only reasonable conclusion is that we're going in the right direction, and that better gun safety education is the driving force behind the positive trends.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/index.html

BTW KansasVoter - Spring will arrive on March 20, less than four weeks away, and will end on June 21 with the arrival of summer. I'm looking forward to your report on your CCW class.