Gunman on Tenn. campus apprehended

[zinnisking]

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. (AP) — One person pulled out a gun and shot another in the hand during an argument in a Middle Tennessee State University classroom building, then tried to hide by blending in among other students before being caught by police, authorities said Monday.

Murfreesboro Police Maj. Clyde Adkison said the suspected shooter was apprehended in the crowd without incident.

It was not immediately clear what the two argued about or if they were students. Neither was identified. The condition of the wounded person was not immediately known.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-14-tennesee-gunman-campus_N.htm
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If everybody on campus had a gun, the victim could have used his good hand to shoot the shooter and the class could have seen a real fight amongst men. That's what real men do.

:sarcasm:

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. How else would responsible adults resolve their differences?

This is the accepted practice these days.

[Atypical Liberal]

10. Yeah, those responsible DRUG DEALING adults.

Of course, it would help if pot wasn't illegal in the first place, but that aside, the shooter was hardly a pillar of upstanding civic responsibility.

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. That wasn't stated in the OP

[Atypical Liberal]

12. Google is your friend...

Google is your friend, but any time there is a shooting you can be 90% certain that it involved a criminal, not a responsible adult. Most firearm homicides are committed by people with extensive prior criminal histories, including, on average, 4 felonies. I suspect this is true for firearm-related crime in general.

Law-abiding people just aren't involved in this sort of thing. Concealed-carry permit holders are even less likely to be involved in any crime. Something like 28 times less likely.

[zinnisking]

14. Last September my friend was shot by a gun dealer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x337922

You can see the shooter's entire arrest record here:

http://tinyurl.com/48gqcmx

"Law-abiding people just aren't involved in this sort of thing."

Hvizdak (my friend's killer) was law abiding until he wasn't.

Just saying.

edited to fix broken link

[Atypical Liberal]

16. The myth of the instant murderer.

"Law-abiding people just aren't involved in this sort of thing."

Hvizdak (my friend's killer) was law abiding until he wasn't.

Just saying.

Well of course. Everyone who breaks the law has a first time. The point is, people who commit firearm homicides have extensive prior criminal histories, including, on average, 4 felonies. Most people don't go shoot someone as their first criminal act.

Your friend had a criminal history spanning 8 years before he committed murder.

If you want to know who is going to commit a crime with a firearm, the biggest indicator is their prior criminal history.

And conversely, people with clean records are highly unlikely to commit crimes with firearms.

[zinnisking]

18. What? No...My friend was murdered in cold blood by a 64yo gun-toting hothead who had a clean record.

Just had to clear that up because you seem a little confused.

[Atypical Liberal]

19. He did not have a clean record. (edited)

In 2002 he had a civil judgment against him for some $200.
In 2009 he had another civil judgment against him for some $2000.

Both appear to be related to medical bills.

True, he isn't as bad as most:

http://www.cardozolawreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138:kates201086&catid=20:firearmsinc&Itemid=20

Edit to add:

You are right, the shooter did not have a criminal record. He did, however, have a civil record for not paying debts.

[Atypical Liberal]

20. Out of curiosity, what were they arguing about?

The new reports say that your friend was arguing with this guy. What were they arguing about?

[zinnisking]

21. Nobody knows for sure. Witnesses say that Hvizdak was making rounds around the bar

bragging to everyone that he was a Black-Belt.

When Hvizdak shot an unarmed Jason, they were alone out on a deck that was attached to the bar. Jason's friend was in the bar and was looking out the door that led to the deck and saw Hvizdak point a gun at Jason. Jason pushed the guy's arm away. Hvizdak shot and killed an unarmed Jason.

I posted an update at the bottom of the 'tinyurl' link. It links to another article about an investigation involving Hvizdak and a shooting in 2005.

Just a few months ago it occurred to me that I met Hvizdak once when I was 21 and me and my friends were in Glenbeulah at the bar that he hung out at. When I was sitting at the bar the bartender said something amusing. I snickered and turned my head briefly and looked at the old guy sitting next to me. He went "ha ha ha...You better watch your back in here...ha ha ha". I was dumbfounded if not amused at this bitter old man who was sitting alone in the corner of the village bar. I said not a word, looked him up and down and then continued to enjoy my youthful night. I am not 100% sure it was him, but I've seen the recent pictures of him in court so I am reasonably convinced.

[Atypical Liberal]

22. which link?

I didn't see a tinyurl link?

[zinnisking]

23. i meant

this link actually:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x337922

On the bottom of that page there is a link to the 2005 incident.

[X_Digger]

13. Wait, you mean people piled on stupid snark without knowing all the facts?

I'm SHOCKED, shocked I tell ya.

:sarcasm:

[liberal N proud]

2. Wait until everyone can carry guns on campus

It will be a regular shootout at OK corral

:sarcasm:

[RSillsbee]

3. Because that happens so frequently

on campuses (such as CU boulder) where the studen't are allowed (provided the have a permit) to carry?

[Atypical Liberal]

4. So what's your point?

I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, bad people do bad things with firearms, so what?

If this is intended to be an argument about prohibiting concealed firearms on campus, it fails.

First of all, a person with a concealed carry permit is far less likely to be involved in crimes than your average citizen. Further, if they have been vetted and are able to safely walk down main street with a firearm while surrounded by hundreds of their fellow citizens, there is no reason why they can't do the same thing on a college campus.

Secondly, such policies demonstrably fail, as this shooting shows. Firearms are currently already prohibited on the MTSU campus, but this did not stop the shooter from doing so.

[Atypical Liberal]

5. Surprise surprise - shooter was a drug dealer.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/02/14/2011-02-14_suspect_nabbed_in_shooting_at_middle_tennessee_state_university_allegedly_stashe.html?r=news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fnews+%28News%29

"Police said that Macklin ditched the gun and two pounds of marijuana in a campus building. Once the weapon was found, police issued an all-clear and classes resumed."

Macklin was 20 years old, which means he could not be legally carrying a concealed firearm since the law requires you to be 21 to obtain a permit.

He was also violating the school rules that prohibit firearms on campus.

Of course he was also breaking the law by carrying around 2 pounds of pot.

Is anyone terribly surprised about a drug dealer being involved in a shooting? Does anyone think any law is going to cut down on drug-industry-related violence?

[X_Digger]

6. Damn you, you just pissed in the middle of a perfectly good wharrgarble with reality an shit.

No fair, I call a foul!

:)

[Atypical Liberal]

7. Video:

http://www.wsmv.com/news/26860249/detail.html

Shooter was a current student, victim was a former student. One wonders what the former student was doing there. Drug-sale turf war?

[shadowrider]

8. Not a turf war but a drug deal gone bad. Betcha n/t

[Atypical Liberal]

9. More video

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14026151/suspect-identified-after-shooting-on-mtsu-campus?redirected=true

[lawodevolution]

15. Someone needs to inform these guys they are in a no gun zone

[Atypical Liberal]

17. No pot, zone, too. And no underage-firearm possession, either.

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. You did notice the OP jacked his *own* thread when these facts came to light?

Damn that incovenient truth!