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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:01 AM
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So "Egypt proved there is no need for a 2nd amendment"? Think again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x556231


Egypt's New Military Rulers To Ban Unions, Strikes

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/02/13/uk-egypt-warning-idUKTRE71C1OG20110213


Egypt's military to warn against "chaos and disorder"

Egypt's new military rulers will issue a warning against anyone who creates "chaos and disorder," an army source said Sunday.

The source said the military statement was now expected to appear Monday, not Sunday as the source had said earlier.

The Higher Military Council will also ban meetings by labour unions or professional syndicates, effectively forbidding strikes, and tell all Egyptians to get back to work after the unrest that toppled Hosni Mubarak.

The army will also say it acknowledges and protects the right of people to protest, the source said.


Love that Orwellian last line, don't you?


For those of you who never saw the original thread (or who have Waldheimer's Disease), a blast from the very recent past:


"Egypt proved there is no need for a 2nd amendment"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x375990

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:08 AM
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1. The demonstrators quit too soon. They will learn.
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 02:17 AM by JDPriestly
They are worse off now than they were before because the military has divided their movement by selecting some members in the movement to serve on the committee organizing the change that is supposed to occur and leaving other members out.

I think the demonstrators will have to wait until they are reunited in frustration with the new military and then maybe they will have learned something about organization.

The goals of the Egyptian demonstrators were kind of vague.

But I think that the demonstrators will be able to get their organization together. The ban on trade unions may actually help to unite people around a very concrete goal, and that may help them solidify their movement and focus it well in the end.

Had they used weapons, they would have alienated a lot of supporters. They would have gained less sympathy from people who began from a neutral standpoint. Using violence destroys a movement because it alienates the very people that the movement needs to trust and support it -- the people that don't like violence. Most people don't like violence.

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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:16 AM
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2. I should have added the obvious line: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:58 AM
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3. Right. But, eventually they will get it right.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:58 AM
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4. That wasn't the point

The point was, that if you have large demonstrations, and do it peacefully, without weapons, the army can't stop you.

If you open up with your popgun, the army can come in and mow you down.

Really, if we're going to have a tyrannical government, the military will have to be in on it.

What's your popgun gonna do against a tank? What's your weekend warrior gonna do against a person who trains for war 24/7?

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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:30 AM
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5. The army can't stop you.
How's The point was, that if you have large demonstrations, and do it peacefully, without weapons, the army can't stop you.

that working out for you in Libya?
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:58 AM
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6. That doesnt count
They're mean .
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:17 AM
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7. Sorry , I didn't get that memo
Of course I'll retract my statement

Yup
:sarcasm: ( you know, if I have to use this thing it's really not sarcasm)
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:41 PM
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9. Seems I just heard on the radio
That the military switched sides.

So what I said is still true.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:41 PM
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11. I heard Momahr is sending jets after them now NT
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:41 PM
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12. Well if the army is on thier side, they'll win

A jets gotta land.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:59 PM
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8. "What's your weekend warrior gonna do against a person who trains for war 24/7?"
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 01:02 PM by friendly_iconoclast
You've never read this book, have you?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_and_the_Brightest
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:45 PM
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10. As far as history goes
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 01:45 PM by Confusious
It wasn't the Viet kong that eventually won the veitnam war.

It was the full scale invasion by the north.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:17 PM
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13. But peaceful demonstrations and no guns and no second amendment and
Democracy doesn't need a 2A and nonviolence......
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