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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 05:52 PM Original message |
Home invader greeted with gunfire |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Texas and Florida are two states where kicking down a door ... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. So is California, but a lot of people aren't aware of it |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. He was emboldened by his shoes. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Not even a "Hey I'm Home, I'm In Here, I Have A Gun?" Just open fire? |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Works for me. |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. home invasion?? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. That's the way it's done, legally, in most states including California |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
62. Whereas "warning shots" can in some cases actually be illegal. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. No Warning. Why give him a chance to kill me? N/T |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. What's being seized is the chance to protect oneself, not the chance to kill someone |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Because you know they are entering for theft not murder. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. You're free to make that assumption, of course. To the contrary, my assumption is that if a |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. That just sounds like you approve of plugging holes in human flesh. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. I don't think I've ever heard anyone seriously say they were eager to shoot somebody, and |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. There was a time when we evaluated the use of a gun in light of its reasonableness. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Your subject line is exactly what we're doing here - and it's reasonable and logical to conclude |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:02 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. That's a BIG disagree. And enabling statutes to kill that misguided individual |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. You've got it backward - recognizing the natural right of self-preservation |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. You need to keep hoping that capricious killing goes in your favor. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:26 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. This discussion has never been about "capricious killing": nobody _wants_ to kill anyone (nt) |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. When someone purports to be judge, jury and executioner, what else would you call it? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. When a real or likely threat presents, a person has the right to a vigorous defense |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #53 |
74. Sometimes a cop, judge, jury, or executioner is not immediately available when a choice must be made |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Self-defense is not capricious, and killing is not a foregone conclusion. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
71. A jury will never sit on this shooting. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
96. So we're cool if I split a home invaders' skull with the camping axe I keep by the door? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Turn that around. If bullets are entering you even though you may have transgressed. |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 06:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
64. shouldnt have transgressed |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. "May have transgressed"???? |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. perhaps you misunderstood my position |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. I intended to respond to SharesUnited, post #48. |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. i agree |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
63. Such "analysis" was at best capricious, so the people chose to stop that |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #34 |
73. California's "Castle Doctrine" law has been in place since the early 1970s |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 07:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
67. If it's the middle of the night and they kick down the door, they know you're home. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
68. Bullshit! |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
80. I know no such thing |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
83. Wow. Just wow. One has no idea why another is invading ones home. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
89. Please tell us just what YOU would do if/when it happens to YOU. n/t |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. You are going to ignore the question? We await your reply. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. You'll have to be more specific as to where it falls short. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
38. Because I want to live. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. I don't envy you the experience you seem to long for. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #46 |
70. Only if you were the DA, jury, and judge. |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. State law.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Passed by a Democratic legislature and Democratic governor in the late 19th century.... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You mean a reconstruction Democrat in the mold of George Wallace? |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Yes, and found by modern, post-reconstrution Democrats to be appropriate and needful... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Did you just tell me that gun lunacy lost the Texas government to the Republicans? |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Yes, I did. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. What you call the right of citizens to defend themselves |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Luby's was and still is an excellent reason for citizen concealed carry. N/T |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Indeed. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. You refuse to admit that a man carrying a gun started the whole episode. |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. No, shares, a man who KICKED IN THE DOOR of someone else's home started the whole incident. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Well now hold on there. If I read the criminal code of Texas correctly |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Fundamental error in perception of armed self-defense. |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:21 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Clearly, shares, your reading comprehension is indeed lacking... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #49 |
97. Hey, it can read. Too bad this was a persons home and not a court of law. |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #49 |
98. Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?........ |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 07:30 AM Response to Reply #44 |
65. The man was carrying a gun illegally. |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. There is nothing capricious about defending oneself from a home-invasion |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
61. Good grief shares. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #40 |
84. Really? Cite to legal precedent, if you aren't making this up.... n/t |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. People don't generally kick down your door in the middle of the night |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. He thought no one was inside. Maybe not in his right mind, but give him the chance to be advised. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. He made his choice |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
57. No |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
60. How exactly do you arrive at that conclusion? |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
66. Maybe I will go with your idea, SU. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
76. He doesn't really "deserve" a chance. He's committing a felony. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
85. Our Court of Appeals made it pretty plain. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
86. Where did you get information to indicate the invader thought no one was inside? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. You kick in my door? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I think you may be suffering from NRA syndrome. May I recommend an intervention for that? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. No, I am suffering from stand up and defend myself syndrome |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
79. There is no such thing as an NRA syndrome. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
90. The Bible has a passage on this subject ... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. sounds like marco polo |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
56. Pretty much |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
78. He heard me chamber a round as I racked the slide. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
88. Nope. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. Might want to look in to a different career |
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sylvi (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
18. If only there had been |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
69. +1 |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
81. +1,000,000 for the win |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
75. I know of, at least, one door in CT where it would be a bad idea. n/t |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
87. ANOTHER BURGLAR KILLED. |
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BrightKnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
91. I know someone who shot and killed his neighbor and friend like that. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. The OP home invader had ALREADY KICKED THE DOOR DOWN. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 08:34 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. There's a little bleach tossed in the gene pool. n/t |
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