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Ratty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:33 AM Original message |
Brazil: I hope the NRA is proud today |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think criminals would get guns whether they're legal or not |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Specious argument. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Going on your reasoning though, if someone is mad they will find a weapon |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Again - it's not about removing. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Well even the NRA believes in *some* restrictions |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
53. Really? Where? |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Military grade weapons are heavily regulated and taxed, and cost at least $15,000 each to purchase. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. They are regulated, but military contractors can and do have them. |
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GKirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
71. Interesting comment... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. If the weapon is not being used criminally, what is the point of a restriction? n/t |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. How about exocets? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. If you have the space and money to store and use them safely.... why not? n/t |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. So not regulations are good regulations? Is that it? |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #67 |
84. I'll help you understand. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Great - so if I want to store used nuclear fuel rods in my back yard. ... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. If you can do so WITHOUT ENDANGERING OTHERS. |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. people are not property |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Being a little ridiculous |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Not according to PavePusher. |
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NewMoonTherian (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. Do exocets have depleted uranium? |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. No |
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NewMoonTherian (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. That's what I thought. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. No, only a conventional warhead of 165 kilograms (360 lb) of explosive. n/t |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. I don't think anyone anywhere has EVER use a 50cal |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. I'm assuming you are not including war crimes in your statement. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. The 1934 NFA "draws the line in the sand" as far as weaponry civilians can easily own. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. OK - thanks for that. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. I see no problem w/ Full Auto weapons |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
88. I don't see a problem with qualified individuals having them. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. I agree with the limitations, generally, with two exceptions. |
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NewMoonTherian (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. As for me, the answer is no. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
73. Which .50 caliber are you for restricting/banning? n/t |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #73 |
89. Chain linked full auto gatling style ones.... ? For the front of my car? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. The OP is about an outright ban, so your reasoning doesn't apply |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. It's not about piling on charges... it's about applying the law. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. How is it not about piling on? You propose banning certain types of guns, |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. Are you proposing that anyone can buy anything? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Again, what is a "rational limit" and what is the point of it... |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. For the sake of argument, let's assume that rational limits |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
91. Not at all. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. You proposed banning guns that are "detrimental" to create a prosecutorial tool, and the example |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. It wasnt a proposal. It was an intellectual exercise. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Since when is an AR15 a "sniper weapon" ? NT |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
87. My mistake - it's not. |
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Marengo (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Rated as an expert by who? |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:51 AM Response to Reply #72 |
81. I'm still reserve. So by the same SOB former SAS trainer who used to certify me. |
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Marengo (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. SAS=Special Air Service? If so, you're fortunate. N/T |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:40 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Yes - I have been lucky. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 11:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
79. You do realize that there are already limits, no? |
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WheelWalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Talk about a specious argument. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. That's all ya got? |
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WheelWalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Those with eyes have not the vision to see. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. But we have ears to hear... |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. So you either have nothing or... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. If a weapon is not used in criminal action.... |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. Ban criminals? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. So the point of gun control is not to keep guns out of the hands of criminals? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. I suppose they could have stricter gun laws |
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pintobean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. . |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Mexico's gun wielders are safe -- they can keep the inflow from the US |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Actually |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. well, you're right -- even if Obama's "90%' figure isn't true, it may be that "merely" 36% or so |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. And how many of those 36% were condoned by the ATF |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
48. That said |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Not that canard again |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. or they could have stricter gun laws like Canada and Britain |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. they do |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 02:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
46. I don't think you want to use Britain as an example. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 03:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
47. What makes you think UK gun laws have ANY effect on firearm crime? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
4. Look at the posts above me. They prove Michael Moore is wrong! |
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pintobean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Here. This may help put things in perspective. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. and some rose-colored glasses too |
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pintobean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Nice accessorizing |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
5. Is there some reason that a six year old story is relevant today? |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. There was a school shooting in Brazil |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. I always thought |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
6. Brazil has very strict gun control laws - they also have a lot of criminals |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
9. Jebus Christ |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
11. IANSA = Good? NRA = Bad? WTF |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
15. List of school-related attacks |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. It is quite possible that if we allowed licensed individuals to carry concealed ... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Saw quite a few with swords, knives, clubs and explosives |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
21. I'm proud of Brazilians for voting the way they wish and ignoring the UN/IANSA. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
25. Civilian gun possession rate in Brazil is 8.0 per 100, in the US it is 90.0 per 100 |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Hold the phone... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Here ya go |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. It's guns per person, not gun-owners overall |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. No there are 90 guns per 100 people in the US, 8.0 per 100 people in brazil |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
31. 64% of the voters in Brazil were NOT in favor of a gun ban ... |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
36. Those semi-autos with high-capacity magazines are dangerous! |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
80. Yeah, total bans have worked out real well in Mexico and other |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
83. Srsly. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
93. So domestic pro-rights organizations asked for the NRA to help |
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