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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:06 PM Original message |
Here is why the anti-gun battle is a lost cause and the Democrats should give it up...... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. So you think we should just bend over and take it? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Funny, you want to use one Right to take away another Right. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. That's why it's First and not Second |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. What makes it irrelevant |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Outdated and obsolete |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Firearms have been basically the same |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Deleted message |
rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. You would amend a living document |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Yes I would kill that living document and write a new one to reflect |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. By the time you get it written |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Undoubtedly, but not as much as it has in the last 230 years |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Fine. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. Actually, I'm running Linux |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Nor do you get to unilaterally determine what OS everybody else uses. nt |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #71 |
81. God forbid! |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. It makes me very happy that you are not running the show and that your ideas |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #60 |
80. And I'm happy for you |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Thanks. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
59. Even if that was a good idea (which it is not) it would NEVER pass. Ever! |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Well, that is your opinion, however misguided it may be. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I understand your worry..... |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Fix what? Gun ownership? Like in a ban? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I mean it is beyond fixing by any method they try. So no use trying! n-t |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. Sorry, but politics is the last reason to cave in to bullies |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. So you are basing your opinions on what you read here |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. My opinions have changed since being here, not based solely on |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. for example? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. The antis do exploit the tragedies to score points in the debate |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. the antis |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Methinks thou findest thyself in the wrong place. Bye bye |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. Bwahahahahahaha! |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. Wait. Hold the phone. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
62. Where are you getting your information? Its totally wrong. 100% wrong. |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
76. If you don't like bullies, stop siding with them. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
87. "gun madness spreading across this country".... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. And so is the other side. And their collective voice is bigger. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. I'm not so sure their collective voice is bigger |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. facts depend on |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Nice try to turn it around |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. Nice strawmen..... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. "Who is it who purchased firearms out of fear?" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #54 |
73. Deleted message |
Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. I trusted you would be reading it so I wouldn't have to name you |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Deleted message |
Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. What are you talking about? Lied when and where? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. I wouldn't shoot somebody over stuff myself |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Good for you for saying this. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Stop complaining and offer a remedy |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Touché |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. What makes you think |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I know you don't but you support it |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. That need is |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. There are less drastic tools to use when dealing with bullies |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. It is |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Hey let's ban clubs. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Surprise |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #68 |
79. I'd rather use or be threatened or hit by a baseball bat than a gun |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Your personal preference does not a ststute make. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Right, I don't make statutes, just conversation. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Wrong. You are advocating the creation of regressive |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. You say regressive I say progressive |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. common sense should be enough |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
96. You underestimate baseball bats. |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
97. So you believe that disarmament will create a "better society"... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. I think you should graciously accept that people have the right to own guns |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. I think you should graciously accept that many of us want to live in a |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
57. When there is enough of you to vote for the changes you want ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Nice spin |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. That's not intimidation, it's fact ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I am not suggesting confiscation |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. In our country today, it's rare for groups with opposing views to work together ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Unfortunately, I think you are correct |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. You support UK style laws. That is confiscation. n/t |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
99. Have you given up your guns yet? |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. What are you bending over and taking? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Nothing! |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. A gun ban isn't the problem |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I have no problem with some limits on stuff. CCW should be expanded though. n-t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Let me amen that before your post is deleted. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. Damn, I would have loved to read that post ... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
12. Liberals should arm themselves & scare the crap out of the right wingers.... |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. what makes you think we have not been |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Not a good reason to own firearms. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
15. I hope the gun manufacturers are ready because as we knock down oppression of gun ownership |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. CCW holders do not need to get checked? I just bought a new handgun at Bass Pro.... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. It depends on the state you live in, probably. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. OK, makes sense. Thanks for the data! n-t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
61. They run a check in Florida even if you have a concealed weapons permit ... |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. Texas CHL holders do not have to be checked . Just put the CHL number on the 4473, pay and GO. n/t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. I can see advantages to that system. (n/t) |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #83 |
98. It used to be done in New York |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
19. My bad... |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
24. I have a plan to add three more to my collection (one already) |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. From what I have seen |
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NewMoonTherian (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
69. Democrats shouldn't give it up. |
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