Bill would allow easier gun access for abuse victims

[Common Sense Party]

Should victims of domestic violence be able to access guns more quickly? Members of the Illinois House think so, passing a measure Tuesday that would exempt them from the mandatory 72-hour waiting period to purchase a firearm.

This would apply only to those victims who have obtained an order of protection against their abusers. Steven King of the Belleville Indoor Shooting Range supports the measure.

"These people have a legitimate fear that that person they had the restraining order against is going to hurt them in some way," King said. "They need to be able to protect themselves right way because time is of the essence."

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The measure still passed by an overwhelming margin. The background check and firearm owner identification card would still be required.

more:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/254468/3/Bill-would-allow-easier-gun-access-for-abuse-victims

[Common Sense Party]

1. I wonder if certain people will still say it's not "sane" for abuse

victims to be armed. That hunting is the only legitimate, "sane" reason for owning a gun.

[Common Sense Party]

2. "violence is not a solution for violence"

Sometimes it is.

But I guess some people think that helpless suffering and fatalism is the only appropriate response to violence. And that abused people should not be allowed to defend themselves should the need arise.

[Hoopla Phil]

3. This is a good law.

[Common Sense Party]

5. Especially since restraining orders do nothing to restrain the abuser.

It would be interesting (and sad) to see how many people are attacked or murdered within days of filing a restraining order.

On edit: It happens a great deal. http://www.dvmen.org/dv-14.htm

[Hoopla Phil]

8. I recall a discussion during a bread back in 1995.

I was taking my Texas CHL class and during a break some of us got into a discussion of waiting periods. The anti propaganda was "if it saves one life. . .". But in our discussion several instances of people in the process of separating from abusers were unable to obtain a handgun for defense do to waiting periods. This lead to their death at the hands of their abusers. I believe it to be a very under reported situation that in fact COSTS lives.

[WatsonT]

4. Those abuse victims, just compensating for their smalles penises

Amiright?

I mean why else would anyone want a gun?

Just call the cops.

[YllwFvr]

7. Missing sarcasm tag?

[Hoopla Phil]

9. I took it as sarcasm.

[WatsonT]

10. I guess

did it really need a tag? I though it was pretty sarcastic.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

11. Might need a tag...

it's more rational than alot of the crap our three stooges around here like to post... and I'm pretty sure 2.5 of them are serious.

[Hoopla Phil]

15. "three stooges". OMG I LOLed at that!!!!

You owe me a new keyboard!

[JoeyT]

6. K&R

Restraining orders only really work for harassment. For someone that actually intends to physically harm you, they're already willing to commit a major crime, so threatening them with a minor punishment on top of whatever they'd get isn't going to accomplish much. They are kind of useful for figuring out who is the prime suspect afterward.

[Common Sense Party]

12. I guess some people don't want victims to be able to survive.

The unreccers/restrictionistas are active today.

Surprisingly silent, though.

[GreenStormCloud]

13. A restraining order is often the trigger that sets off the abuser to attack.

Restraining orders still have value. They help show that a self-defense shooting was justified.

[spin]

14. My daughter had a restraining order against a stalker ...

and a concealed weapons permit. The stalker violated the restraining order on an almost daily basis. He basically laughed at it and seemed to take pleasure in violating it and attempting to make my daughter's life miserable.

If he would have ever physically attacked her she would have simply shot him. There would have little argument that he was in the wrong as he was violating the restraining order.

Fortunately for all involved he never attempted to attack her. He was eventually arrested and spent several weekends in jail and has no longer been a problem.

[Hoopla Phil]

16. A restraining order is a very good thing for one reason, and one reason only.

It is a get out of jail free card should the abused have to shoot the S.O.B.


Always follow the law, and always - be prepared.