Armed burglars shoot dog, homeowner shoots burglars.

[GreenStormCloud]

L.I Resident Shoots at Trio of Burglars, Killing 1

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Three men, one armed with a .22 caliber rifle, forcibly entered the house just after midnight, police said. One of the men shot the resident's pit bull dog, police said.

That's when the resident, armed with a shotgun, opened fire on the burglars. One suspect, who has yet to be identified, was pronounced dead at the scene.

The second suspect, 25-year-old Justin Benkov of Mastic, is in critical condition. The third suspect fled and was caught a short time later. Philipe Robinette, of Aquebogue, was charged with burglary and will be arraigned tomorrow. It is unclear if he has a lawyer.

The dog is expected to survive

There is a certain anti-gun poster who has stated that a big dog is all the home protection anybody needs. Sometimes, Fido needs some help.

[AtheistCrusader]

1. Good thing the dog didn't notice, or they would have been in deep shit.

[Mz Pip]

2. I'm glad the dog

is expected to survive.

I suppose if I lived in a higher crime neighborhood I'd have both a dog and a gun. But since I don't, I have neither.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

3. Good call on your part

You have made a active choice, a good thing, regardless of what it is.

In my case I do not have a dog due to the neighborhood and also open carry at home due to the neighborhood. Then again, my neighbors are cougars (the four footed feline kind).

[Starboard Tack]

25. Ditto that

[Big Al Mac]

4. If you're going to quote an article

at least be nice enough to include a link to said article.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/LI-Resident-Shoots-at-Trio-of-Burglars-Killing-1-119780894.html

Also, many of us don't know what L.I. stands for, so please reference a location that is meaningful to those of us that are somewhat ignorant.

The above happened on Long Island, NY

[GreenStormCloud]

6. OOPS. Sorry for not including the link. I usually do. N/T

[Atypical Liberal]

5. And if there "were no guns" as many wish...

And if there were no guns, as many here wish, we would have had one man and a dog up against 3 assailants.

The weak would be at the mercy of the strong.

[Hoyt]

7. Ever seen 3 unarmed assailants face off against a mad home owner with a machete.

Truthfully, when someone enters your house -- just about anything the homeowner does is fair in my opinion. Although, I have very little or nothing in my house -- other than inhabitants -- worth killing someone for. Now, shooting some kid for stealing a pink flamingo off the front lawn or lawnmower out of the shed doesn't justify blasting away in my opinion.

[Atypical Liberal]

8. Trade gun fights for sword fights.

First of all, if the homeonwer has a machete, there's no reason why the assailants would not avail themselves to similar weaponry.

But even so, you're still reduced to a physical contest of strength against your attackers. The sword allowed the medieval knight to hack down peasants with relative ease, but they could still pull him down from his horse and kill him, especially when they brought pikes to the fight.

You can choose to return to the middle ages and trade gun fights for sword fights if you want, but myself, I'll stick with a firearm. I'm not as spry as I once was.

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[Starboard Tack]

26. I like the pike idea, but I'll go with the trusty 12 gauge

Nothing better for protecting the home

[gejohnston]

31. 12 gauge works

I like private island better.

[GKirk]

39. Not sure why a pike would scare away a criminal...

(kind of a Monty Python reference)

[GreenStormCloud]

9. These three were armed with a gun. N/T

[Hoyt]

18. A .22. You guys would cry for months if that's all they let you carry into Chuck E Cheeze.

[Union Scribe]

34. Illogical. .22s can and do kill people.

I take it you've never worked in emergency medicine or law enforcement.

[GreenStormCloud]

42. Yes. A .22 has very little stopping power but can still be lethal.

Are you aware the the Israeli Mossad and Mafia hit men use .22s. In fact the Mossad uses .22 shorts. The reason why they are favored is that they can be truly silenced. Get close to the subject and shoot him several times in the brain.

But we who carry for self-defense are concerned with stopping power. That means the ability of a bullet to incapacitate a subject so that he is no longer a threat. For that a larger caliber is better. Since the brain is a hard target to hit in a gunfight we aim for center mass and need a harder hitting bullet than a .22 to incapacitate the threat.

[WatsonT]

11. Not everyone is equally able to defend themselves

machete or not.

Most weapons require some physical strength to use, like swinging a dull blade at someone.

Tell granny that she has to go up against a 6'8, 300lbs of muscle, intruder in hand to hand combat.

Or she could have a gun that requires minimal strength to use and puts them both on an even setting.

If all the good guys were strong, able martial artists and all the bad guys were weaklings and cripples we wouldn't need guns for self defense.

Often that isn't the case though.

[Hoyt]

13. Grannies have gone up against Loughner, bank robbers, school board shooters recently.

And you walk around in public with a gun because you are afraid someone might jump out from behind a tree.

[Katya Mullethov]

27. Ginger Littleton's heroism in a position of supreme tactical advantage is most notable

What did you learn from her experience ?

[one-eyed fat man]

41. Why bother with

places like Thunder Ranch, Gunsite, or the FBI Academy at Quantico to learn defensive handgun?

You can deal with any attack if you go to "Hoyt's School of Self Defense" and master the 'full Buzzi!'

[rrneck]

47. Gah! There goes another keyboard. nt

[Atypical Liberal]

29. Contests of physical strength.

Grannies have gone up against Loughner, bank robbers, school board shooters recently. And you walk around in public with a gun because you are afraid someone might jump out from behind a tree.

Are you saying it's preferable to go up against assailants in physical contests of strength?

[Katya Mullethov]

45. Such things are best saved till Festivus

Feats of Strength is my favorite part .

[WatsonT]

35. Yeah, how'd it work out with Loughner?

And is your solution to self defense really to let the weak fend for themselves against the strong?

[rl6214]

12. Is defending your dog, who has been shot

worth defending?

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[GKirk]

40. It's not even about defending your dog...

...it's about defending yourself from someone who would illegally enter your home and have
nerve enough to shoot your pet. You have to realize if they are willing to do that they may (likely) be willing to shoot you too.

[Upton]

14. Someone comes on my property and threatens one of my dogs..

you can be damn sure I consider them worth defending..

[Hoyt]

16. Oh, a tough guy. Shoot em right between the eyes. After all, you've been preparing for this day.

[Upton]

19. Well, my dogs and the dog in the story..

are very glad you're not their owner. For folding up like a wet noodle and reciting Brady Bunch talking points hasn't stopped a criminal yet..

[Hoyt]

20. See you think NOT shooting someone in the head is folding up. There are better ways to handle things

[gejohnston]

21. how would you

have handled it?

[oneshooter]

23. I know, I know!!!!! He would"run away screaming like a little girl". n/t

[Hoyt]

28. Hey, I don't have to walk around in public with a gun.

[GreenStormCloud]

46. The posted attack happened in the guy's home.

So three strangers break into your home and are shooting. Now what do you do? I doubt that you will answer.

[Upton]

22. Enlighten us then about those "better ways"

3 intruders, 1 armed, have broken into your home and shot your dog...just exactly how would you handle it?

[oneshooter]

30. Don't expect a answer. He's too busy hiding. n/t

[WatsonT]

37. Snatch their gun away and kill them all with it

apparently that's really easy to do, as we're assured that is all that will happen if a homeowner attempts to use a gun in self-defense.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

38. Sometimes, sometimes not

Your approach disarms and makes vulnerable those least able to defend themselves.

[GreenStormCloud]

43. Such as?

[WatsonT]

36. Some people value the lives of their pets

you don't have to, but then you shouldn't have any if you don't.

[gejohnston]

32. I don't think

you will find any disagreements with us about the lawnmower or pink flamingo. One of your fellow antis on the other hand,

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-07-29/news/mn-8130_1_columnist-carl-t-rowan
http://www.tincher.to/rowan.htm
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-06-22/news/8801090505_1_carl-rowan-pool-and-jacuzzi-gun

[Union Scribe]

33. Why on earth do you presume the burglars would be unarmed

even if no guns were available? Personally, I'm not much interested in finding out if I'm Zorro's heir by going edge to edge with a bunch of thugs.

[WatsonT]

10. Poor dog

2 of them got what they deserved.

[Starboard Tack]

24. Nice post. Looks like that shotgun worked out just fine

[ileus]

44. My dogs are caged inside at night, they tell me when it's time investigate

that's their only job period....no matter if they're outside or inside, I expect them to notify me of strangers. And they do a good job...