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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:40 AM Original message |
If you are NOT pro-gun, is your main issue Concealed Carry or guns at home also? |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. Will you also alert if an anti-gun person insults me? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes I will. n-t |
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My Good Babushka (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. I wouldn't ban hunting guns |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Please expand your ideas. How many hours? Who does the training? n/t |
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My Good Babushka (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
187. I would ask people with more gun experience |
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tosh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. +1. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
27. I would call that a fairly reasonable request...... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
45. No training requirement here |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. And I am not. OK. n-t |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #52 |
74. I will be dealing with armed people |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I think a license to track is a good thing. And fingerprints on file is good also..... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
126. Do they have a break down of the costs? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #126 |
138. The class was $120, The license was $132.50. n-t |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #138 |
167. thank you Logical nt |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
110. All the police officers who I have talked to in Florida ... |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #110 |
136. I police captain told me that 90% of cops like CCW..... |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #136 |
173. i wouldnt put solid numbers on it |
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YllwFvr (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #110 |
171. sounds like the boys in blue down in florida |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #171 |
210. The color of the uniform varies in Florida ... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
55. There is a cheaper, and better way to do the mental health screening. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
102. Sounds like a de facto ban for all low income people |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
104. rigorous mental health screening...? |
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HERVEPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. All handguns banned |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Rapid-fire weapons have for all practical purposes been banned for almost 80 years |
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HERVEPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
38. Whatever killed the people in Arizona and wounded Gabby Giffords |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
61. a run of the mill pistol |
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HERVEPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
107. Then ban that extended magazine then. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. The extended magazine did not affect rate of fire. n/t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. The use of extended magazines probably caused the gun to jam ... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #38 |
66. Just an ordinary pistol |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Please define "rapid fire" ? NT |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Presumptively semi autos |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. That's what I thought as well |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. There are some remarkable high speed shooting videos done with revolvers from competitions |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
39. We'll have to ban Jerry Miculek |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
59. And a single action can be fanned. Won't hit much but you can do it. N/T |
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chibajoe (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
89. Don't tell that to this guy |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #89 |
129. Unbelievable. GREAT video. Thanks. (n/t) |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
214. That is just amazing! Thanks for posting it. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #89 |
225. Wow. You could be holding a gun on that guy and he could still take you out... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
82. I know people that can fire a single action revolver faster |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. A mad minute exercise with a bolt action rifle? |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Must be one of those bolt action assault rifle machine gun thingies NT |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
165. British school of musketry |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. why? |
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HERVEPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
35. I'd prefer to see no shooting competitons,, also |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. The last two points work |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
192. Why? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. If you get them banned, how would you pay for them? n/t |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
36. So no handguns for home protection allowed? I think many feel that way.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
91. So why are you applying for CC? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
193. Including Police Officers? n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. Talk of "hunting" always worries me |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
8. I'm most concerned about guns in public places -- concealed or open carry. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Why, because you can't? n/t |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
46. I could if I chose to parade around with a gun in public parks, nursery schools, family restaurants. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. 'Parade' implies display. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Not much. Just don't think guns are needed -- or wanted -- in most public places. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Need/want doesn't factor into it. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I disagree. Assuming for a moment it is legal/Constitutional, folks don't have to do it in public. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. It is legal and constitutional in public. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #70 |
86. Agree, if they also weigh risks to society, future generations, etc., and not just themselves. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. There we agree. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. What about the folks that get assaulted in public? |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Apparently there's no exception for them |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Collateral damage because he wants |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. I do not abhor self-defense. I do question the need to arm oneself in most cases. |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #84 |
142. I was not targeting specific DU members such as yourself |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
98. Can you show any post that says "I abhor self defense?" |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #98 |
190. You want UK style gun control, including disarming Law Enforcement |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #190 |
194. It isn't what I want, but the madness seems to warrant it. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #71 |
83. I can understand some of them wanting to carry. I think there are other ways to minimize risk. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I engage in all sorts of defensive avoidance |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #83 |
105. Nice non answer. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
99. You mean someone forces you to carry a gun? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. Well, he understood me, but let me clarify: a 3rd party's need/want doesn't factor into it. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #109 |
133. OK fair enough |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Only one hunting gun has ever been designed to "take out an entire herd" |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Saw one on display at Mystic Seaport |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
92. Their Naptha Launch is a real jewel |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #25 |
44. I would have no problem with folks carrying those in public. Cool photo. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
40. Do you think guns in public have caused a lot of issues? n-t |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I think guns in public are bad for society and our self image -- it's really that simple. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. I am sorry it has got to this point also..... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Sometimes you just gotta stand up for what is "right/best," otherwise things will never get better |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #56 |
63. One person's right/best |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. I only plan on carrying where there is a high chance of having an issue.... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I think that is reasonable. But, there are a lot of carriers who'll walk into family restaurants. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. I am not a fan of Open Carry...... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
106. I totally disagree with you |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. No, cops have to address people calling about open carry.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
150. I think they're all silly |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #150 |
158. You are the first person I have ever seen with this opinion. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #158 |
176. Most people I discuss this with feel pretty much the same |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:33 AM Response to Reply #176 |
220. "Most people I discuss this with feel pretty much the same" |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #150 |
182. This is a new angle, oppose concealed carry because it is |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #112 |
169. I agree |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #112 |
178. Not in Arizona... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #106 |
122. What? Since when is concealed carry 'dishonest'? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #122 |
146. Not just my mind I assure you. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #146 |
159. Then most police are foolish. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #159 |
172. Congratulations, I used to be one and I know many who don't |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. I can name officers by name. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #174 |
196. Of course, everyone has a name |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #172 |
185. Where were you a beat cop? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #185 |
197. That's not your business, but a major metropolitan area |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #197 |
209. No it's not but I don't see why you wouldn't want to say where |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #146 |
184. So CC is dishonest and police who encourage it are foolish |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #146 |
222. Oddly enough, the Kentucky Court of Appeals |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #106 |
181. That's the direct opposite of what most in the anti gun crowd say |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #181 |
224. Well the way I see it, if you are carrying openly, you're letting me know |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
88. I would like to see that example |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. He and a retired volunteer fireman/crossing guard |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. So it's a private personal story |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #95 |
113. Deleted message |
RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
144. If there is a high chance of having an issue |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #144 |
156. Higher chance. Do you think all areas have the same crime rate? Because I can send you stats. n-t |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #156 |
212. I think crime doesn't stay in one area |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #212 |
226. I know a lot of people who carry 100% of the time also.... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. So then, you clearly envision |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
100. How about going forward instead of going back |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
116. I think CC has moved beyond politics..... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #116 |
134. Why concealed? Why not be open and honest? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. I think your intent is to expose us..... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #135 |
152. Who are these"bad" guys who hide their guns? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Please tell me you are not claiming that criminals do not have weapons. Because if you are... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #155 |
186. I think the "bad guys" point their guns at one to rob or kill |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. So if I can prove CCW prevented deaths you will be OK with CCW? n-t |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #188 |
198. Sure, if you can also prove they caused no deaths which you can't. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #198 |
203. You are not being rational...... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #203 |
204. I'm not being rational? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. I agree with you that guns kill people..... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. So why are Brits less likely to kill each other? nt |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. Maybe because they don't have easy access to guns |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. Well, |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:58 AM Response to Reply #208 |
216. Gang violence is one of the key issues |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:24 AM Response to Reply #216 |
217. Very true. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #198 |
211. How did we become the bad guys? |
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kurtzapril4 (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #135 |
229. Damn right guns freak me out. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #134 |
148. I'm down |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #148 |
154. Thank you. Your honesty is appreciated |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #154 |
200. Deleted message |
RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #100 |
145. RE: more CC permits is progressive? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #100 |
161. I want to go forward but some people on this forum |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #43 |
85. Who are you to determine what self image is? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
119. We all determine it daily by our actions |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
94. I agree with you and would define reasonable as |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #94 |
114. When I've got the phone in one hand, trying to call 911.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #114 |
123. Sounds like you live an exciting life. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #123 |
131. I am WAGing that you are in the computer industry. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #131 |
151. Levelling a 12 gauge would probably suffice. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
137. I can't understand your fear of honest people who responsibly carry firearms ... |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
223. Keep criminals at home, and I'll leave my LCP or M&P at home |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
9. I'm a gun owner, but believe in reasonable limits. Otherwise.... |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. simple economics |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. My point stands.... my MAIN issue is neither CC or home ownership... |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. How does the 1st Amendment justify |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #30 |
53. You know the 1st has limitations also.....correct? n-t |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. first |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
58. A true voice of reason. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. not disagreeing |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
179. What is a "legitimate reason"? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
10. It's useless because with the over abundance of guns of all types, readily available to almost |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. So you do not think self defense with a firearm is appropriate? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. I'm a 63 yr. old woman who has lived by myself for over 40 years. Never had a need for self defense |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. You are indeed fortunate |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
108. Most be nice to be so lucky... |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #108 |
130. I'm 'unarmed' but hardly totally defenseless. I did take actions to 'protect' myself, just not with |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #130 |
180. My defensive weapons are not "meant to maim or kill". |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
115. Do your expeiences stand for everyone else? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
42. I honestly understand your point..... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
143. There are 300 million firearms in our nation. If you were right ... |
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bpj62 (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
11. Concealed Carry Issue |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I agree that premises owners should be able to ban conceald weapons carried under a CCW |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. You'd lose my business |
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bpj62 (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. lose of business |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
96. "you get pissed off when someone tells you that you can't." |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
139. I never said anything about being pissed off |
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HERVEPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #17 |
41. I'd be delighted to lose your business if you were bringing a weapon into my establishment |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
50. That would be fine with me. Going one place with out my gun would not bother me. n-t |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #17 |
75. Then so be it. |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Unless you live in IL or WI, |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Big difference. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. Any property owner can ban guns on their property if they like |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Can you show me a citation on that? |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
97. OK, here you are |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
125. Thanks, so the statement in question is more anecdotal than actual. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Question was too broad. |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. Too broad, yet repeated here as truth |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #132 |
141. Apply logic to your question |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #141 |
160. Again, you are in error that it is my question |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #132 |
153. Perhaps |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #153 |
162. yes, those are valid points |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #162 |
175. My apologies. |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. thanks |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #132 |
157. Which is conjecture? |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #157 |
163. I accomplished no searches as it wasn't my meme |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. Well, if you look at the article I just cited, hit rate is about 35% |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. The question was actually |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. No official study. |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Ok, that's fair |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #170 |
199. The Texas requirements for a CHL are a lot stricter than a lot of states. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #170 |
213. Couple points |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #213 |
218. Very well said, sir. However the laws do vary by state. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
54. But MANY CCW holders do not have range time. I know that to be true.... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
128. Oh hey, my mom is stupid. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #128 |
191. So your think "do not have range time" means "has range time yearly"?? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
219. Then you "know" a lie |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #219 |
227. Really? Utah you don't. And in kansas you have to shoot.... |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #11 |
48. I am amazed how many CC holders love to ignore those signs..... |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #48 |
79. I won't. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
118. See, you are what I call an extreme pro-gun person and one that hurts... |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Sure I understand and support restrictions on the second amendment. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. You know their intent and and should honor it. But justify it how you want. n-t |
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armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #124 |
140. Meh. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #140 |
147. Classy. I doubt you help the image much. But I am sure you don't care. Good luck! n-t |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
183. I'm not sure that I understand your contention... |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #183 |
189. If his intent is to keep guns out I will honor it. You can do what the hell your personality wants. |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #189 |
201. If the property owners is reasonable, then he will have posted his property in a legal manner |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #201 |
202. I doubt a proper sign will keep you from carrying in the business. Just a guess. n-t |
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S_B_Jackson (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #202 |
215. Your doubt would be misplaced. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #202 |
221. And wrong, for the vast majority of people. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
65. How can you tell if someone is carrying concealed? N/T |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
93. "you are not trained in police tactics." |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
228. You are correct, and some small town cops have no requirement. n-t |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
101. False assumption |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
120. Police tactics and self-defense tactics are overlapping, but not congruent, subsets of skills. n/t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
149. Parking lots can be dangerous areas... |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
195. In Texas all you have to do is post a proper 30.06 sign at all entrences. n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
230. I'm not pro-gun. I'm pro-choice on guns. |
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