We.....really must put a stop to this shit

[Keith Bee]

From the Chicago Sun-Times:

The argument started on Facebook, witnesses and relatives of the 12-year-old victim say. But by 2.45 p.m. Tuesday, the alleged online threats became terrifyingly real when a 14-year-old gunman brazenly opened fire outside a South Side elementary school as hundreds of children were dismissed for the day.

Witnesses dived for cover as the teen-age gunman — wearing a brown Hollister brand hoodie — shot his 12-year-old gang rival in the back with a revolver outside Cook Elementary School in the 8100 block of South Bishop, witnesses say.

The victim was in stable condition Tuesday evening at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, police said. After he was shot, he ran back towards the school “but the door was locked and he couldn’t get in,” Williamson said.

Eventually somebody let him in as he cried in agony, while the gunman ran away southbound on Bishop, several witnesses said.

http://www.suntimes.com/5038182-417/boy-12-shot-in-front-of-south-side-elementary-school.html

Isn't it time we seriously reconsidered the Second Amendment?

[Beaverhausen]

1. oh yeah

:popcorn:

[uppityperson]

3. !

[MedleyMisty]

2. Or we could stop the whole capitalism/institutionalized racism and poverty thing

That might work too.

[uppityperson]

6. +1

[leftstreet]

11. +1

[TheWraith]

27. Not to mention funding organized criminal groups to the tune of billions a year via the drug war. nt

[slackmaster]

48. People who live in REAL poverty don't have Facebook pages or wear designer clothes!!!

Or even have access to computers. I Googled up a factoid that a Hollister brand hoodie will set you back $50 or more. That's not something a poor kid wears.

BTW, do any of those kids mentioned in the story have PARENTS? More specifically, functional FATHERS (or alternative positive adult male role models)???

[iverglas]

125. or you could just wait for the rapture!

Why bother doing anything in the interim??

And hey, all the dead kids will be undead when that happens anyway (just like they'll be when that socially/economically egalitarian utopia descends on the land), so no worries.

[elleng]

4. No need to 'reconsider,' but to provide and enforce reasonable laws.

14 year old gunman? Outside elementary school?

[dkf]

5. Isn't it illegal for the kid to have a gun anyway?

[elleng]

7. Its a State thing, but it should be, imo.

[dkf]

8. What state lets an under age kid have a gun? That can't possibly be legal.

[Euromutt]

45. Minors can possess (but not own) firearms in certain circumstances

In Washington state, for example, a minor can be in possession of a rifle or shotgun while hunting, provided said minor has successfully completed a hunters' ed course. Handguns are a different story, however.

[gejohnston]

53. state thing to possess federal thing to buy

the important thing is to enforce current federal laws.

[Starboard Tack]

104. How would you propose enforcing those laws?

And which ones are not being enforced at present?

[gejohnston]

121. Brady, NRA, and I agree on this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Exile

that felon in possession should go to federal court, since it is violating federal law (federal firearms act of 1938). The problem is that GCA68 made it mandatory minimum of five years if you do. My problem with manditory minimums is that some guy who got busted for an ounce of pot when he was a kid, but been straight and narrow since, and happened to inherit grandpa's skeet gun gets the same time as a career violent felon.

[Starboard Tack]

124. You have a very good point. All felonies do not involve violence.

Convicted felons who have served their time should only be restricted based on a proven propensity for violence. How are people expected to reinsert themselves into society, if we arbitrarily take away their constitutional rights.

[TheWraith]

19. Yes, it is.

It's illegal for someone under 18 to have a handgun. In Illinois, it's also illegal for someone under 21 to have a handgun.

[Skip Intro]

9. Guns are a tool. The problem is the thug mentality. Had one stabbed the other,

would we want to consider banning knives?

It is the thug mentality, the gang culture, the actual individual human action that demands greater, tougher focus and response.

[Keith Bee]

12. Thank you for the NRA input

[Skip Intro]

15. Thank you for for the childish name-calling insult.

:eyes:

[Skittles]

18. where's the name-calling?

[Skip Intro]

20. Accusing me of speaking for the NRA isn't name-calling?

[Skittles]

21. no, not really

[Skip Intro]

22. Guess I see it differently. I don't think it was a compliment.

[Starboard Tack]

107. More like spamming for the NRA than actually speaking

[Skip Intro]

116. Pretty childish, isn't it, labeling someome because he holds a different opinion than you?

Kinda simple-minded, yes?

[Starboard Tack]

117. I never labeled you. I described your action

You compared guns to knives (talk about childish and simple-minded). That comparison is classic NRA nonsense.

[iverglas]

126. pretty dishonest, isn't it, ...

Pretty childish, isn't it, labeling someome because he holds a different opinion than you?

... asserting that someone's reason for doing something (whether or not they did it) is something that it patently isn't?

Just asking.

[Skittles]

16. certainly predictible

[Skip Intro]

23. What is certainly predictible?

[Ghost in the Machine]

31. It's not NRA input, it's actual facts..

Maybe you aren't familiar with them, or just don't like inconvenient ones? The thug mentality and glorified gang culture has done a lot of damage to the last 2 (at least) generations of kids in this country.

Ghost (former gang member & thug)

[Skip Intro]

40. +100

[slackmaster]

52. If the NRA is opposed to thug mentality and gangs, maybe I've erred in not joining it.

:argh:

[gejohnston]

55. they are

If you put the guy that goes target shooting or hunting etc with gangsters, then maybe you need to think a little deeper

[slackmaster]

59. Read my profile. I know a lot of target shooters, and even do it myself occasionally.

;-)

[gejohnston]

122. My bad.

[cleanhippie]

80. So your only response is an insult? How expected.

[elleng]

17. Guns are a devastating 'tool,' significantly different from knives to deserve different treatment.

MUCH more likely for State to control availability of guns than 'thug mentality.'

[Skip Intro]

26. Got no problem with controls on guns.

I do have a problem with wanting to eliminate my right to have one.

And I think it is misguided folly to think that an extreme move of repealing the second amendment would end such crimes.

[Starboard Tack]

106. Nothing whatsoever to do with the gun culture?

[Supply Side Jesus]

10. Outlaw Facebook!

[Keith Bee]

14. Ya know something?

I could live without that useless shit!

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. It's not useless when it's the only chance I get to see my nephew.

It's not all about Farmville. :eyes:

[slackmaster]

61. Skype works very well for staying connected with family.

I recommend it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

65. I have Skype. But it's nice to see family photographs and be able to

comment on them, no? :eyes:

[slackmaster]

66. Whatever works for you is perfectly OK with me

I personally can't stand FB. I've seen too many people become obsessed with it, or addicted to it, and spend a lot of time on it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

68. It has its place, in my opinion.

I find myself using it to connect with family/old school friends so I haven't been harmed by it I guess. I've been able to watch my nephew grow, go to his first Dodgers/Kings/Lakers (kills me that he's an LA fan) and do all the awesome things that 5 year olds do...from 1600-ish miles away. It's priceless to me.

[slackmaster]

69. Exposing details of my personal life in such a public manner would create a security issue for me

I am responsible for the security of a lot of personal financial data. I don't dare risk putting myself in a position to be blackmailed, or create any easy access point for someone bent on socially engineering me in any way.

[ScreamingMeemie]

70. The happy thing is that one can control who sees the content.

I'm pretty confident that my interactions with others aren't public fodder. Anyone who allows that and does not take proper precautions only has themselves to blame.

We're getting off track here. It's a harmless thing that people get all bent up and twisted over.

Hope you have a wonderful day.

[slackmaster]

60. It's addicting. I took a "poor" person into my house in 2009. She sat on her ass all day on FB...

...and other social networking sites instead of going out and looking for a JOB.

I ended up putting her back out on the streets because of behavior problems, rooted in substance abuse.

[Hangingon]

78. Exactly my thought on this thread

[eqfan592]

86. This post here...

...speaks absolute volumes about your mentality.

[rl6214]

112. About as useless as the NRA comment

[petronius]

44. I think's it's due more to Hollister brand hoodies - good thing we got that detail!

Kind of an oddly written article: the detective says they have a "good idea" of the suspect's identity - but if it started on Facebook and he turned himself in, I'd expect a bit more confidence than that... :)

[Initech]

13. Or we could end the war on drugs. But we don't have time for rational solutions.

[pnwmom]

42. Where does this story mention drugs? It's a gun that was shot here,

not a needle.

[Euromutt]

46. It's the illicit drug trade that creates a black market in firearms

The conduits through which the shooter most likely acquired his firearm exist because of a criminal demand for firearms, which in turn exists primarily because of the illicit drugs trade. And because criminals--especially organized criminals--tend not to have much in the way of social conscience, they're not particularly fussed about providing a firearm to a minor who might then use it to shoot another minor.

[Initech]

119. It's the illicit drug trade that creates violent gangs in the first place.

Look at Mexico - all the violence - ALL the violence in that country can be traced back to the drug trade. I'm sure it's no different here. We legalize drugs, all the cartels and gangs cease to exist in their current forms. That's what I'm getting at.

[slackmaster]

51. Where does a 14-year-old get money to buy expensive name-brand clothing?

I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count.

[auntsue]

24. A 14 year old already had no right to own a gun -

We have pretty good laws - they're just not enforced. And parents have lost control of their kids. AND teachers and and administrators have lost control at school. It started a while back with an idea called value neutral education, for fear of "imposing" one culture's values on another. Well nearly all cultures have the same basic values regarding kindness and mutual respect, and a school can say they have their own culture or social contract. I know I sound like an old fogie but too many adults these days want to be friends with kids instead of parents, teachers, leaders or roll models. I'm just sayin'....

[TheWraith]

25. So a kid with an illegal gun, who's too young to have a legal gun, and is in a gang...

Attempts to murder another kid... and the solution is we should fuck over 80 million law abiding gun owners?

Or--and here's a crazy idea--maybe we should stop the insane failed war on drugs which FUNDS these criminal organizations? Do you have any idea how much crime dropped after Prohibition ended? The murder rate was cut almost in half, almost overnight.

[elleng]

28. The solution is to enforce the laws that exist,

no need to bring in '80 million law abiding gun owners,' war on drugs or criminal organizations.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

33. Because The Laws That Already Exist Worked So Well To Protect This Kid

At some point, do you find yourself utterly unable to say, "My solution for fixing the problem is to do nothing at all," with a straight face?

[elleng]

34. I would RATHER abolish ALL GUNS,

but as the Supremes have spoken, my only 'solution' is to strongly encourage enforcement of strong laws.

You?

[gejohnston]

56. strong enforcement of the current laws first

[spin]

89. I hate to point this out ...

but many firearm owners would not willing hand over their weapons. Someone would have to attempt to collect them. Bloodshed would result.

There is always the possibility that gun confiscation could lead to an armed revolt. Do your remember the battles of Lexington and Concord?

Battles of Lexington and Concord

The Battles of Lexington and Concord were the first military engagements of the American Revolutionary War.<9><10> They were fought on April 19, 1775, in Middlesex County, Province of Massachusetts Bay, within the towns of Lexington, Concord, Lincoln, Menotomy (present-day Arlington), and Cambridge, near Boston. The battles marked the outbreak of open armed conflict between the Kingdom of Great Britain and its thirteen colonies in the mainland of British North America.

About 700 British Army regulars, under Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith, were given secret orders to capture and destroy military supplies that were reportedly stored by the Massachusetts militia at Concord. Through effective intelligence gathering, Patriot colonials had received word weeks before the expedition that their supplies might be at risk and had moved most of them to other locations. They also received details about British plans on the night before the battle and were able to rapidly notify the area militias of the enemy movement.

The first shots were fired just as the sun was rising at Lexington. The militia were outnumbered and fell back, and the regulars proceeded on to Concord, where they searched for the supplies. At the North Bridge in Concord, approximately 500 militiamen fought and defeated three companies of the King's troops. The outnumbered regulars fell back from the minutemen after a pitched battle in open territory.

More militiamen arrived soon thereafter and inflicted heavy damage on the regulars as they marched back towards Boston. Upon returning to Lexington, Smith's expedition was rescued by reinforcements under Lieutenant-General Hugh Percy. The combined force, now of about 1,700 men, marched back to Boston under heavy fire in a tactical withdrawal and eventually reached the safety of Charlestown. The accumulated militias blockaded the narrow land accesses to Charlestown and Boston, starting the Siege of Boston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Lexington_and_Concord

How Lexington and Concord Was About Gun Control

The United States has a very interesting approach to our history with gun control. On the one hand, Massachusetts residents proudly assemble in April to reenact the battles that occurred at the historic sites of Lexington and Concord. Patriot's Day is even set aside as a legal holiday in honor of the battles. State leaders do not ever wish the world to forget who fired the shot heard round the world. Yet, the same state shudders at tying their own history to the debate on gun ownership, the Second Amendment, and the current battles to protect these rights with their celebration of these historic events.

However, there is no denying the purpose of those battles. The seven hundred British soldiers dispatched to Lexington and Concord were not there to collect tax revenues. British leaders ordered the elite British infantry to Concord to confiscate and destroy weapons and ammunition the colonists had been storing. British leaders hoped to quell further rebellion by setting an example. They would seize weapons and round up local leaders for trial in England.

British leaders recognized that gun control was a powerful weapon for population control. Occupation troops sent to quell rebellion and restore order already intimated citizens in Boston. Many feared there was little colonists could do against one of the most powerful armies on the planet. However, the British government saw things differently. As long as residents remained armed, there was a potential threat of citizens uprising against the King's troops. Seizing guns and powder left locals unable to defend themselves and far more likely to relinquish even more of their rights as British citizens.

The residents of Massachusetts had broken no laws in possessing weapons. On many occasions, the British leaders in Massachusetts had demonstrated they had no issue with trampling on the colonists' rights as English citizens. Sending armed troops into the country to seize legally owned weapons was just one more statement that the British government did not see any need to respect the colonists' rights when they felt there was a crisis that justified their actions.
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Lexington-and-Concord-Was-About-Gun-Control&id=4375550

[elleng]

90. If you hate to point it out, then don't.

IMO gun ownership and use has become a cancer on our culture, but I did not suggest 'confiscation.' I simply hate the culture which holds it in such esteem, and wish it were different.

DAMN the NRA.

[spin]

91. When you used the word "abolish" it led me to believe that you wished to ...

do away with, end, destroy, eliminate, shed, cancel, axe (informal), get rid of, ditch (slang), dissolve, junk (informal), suppress, overturn, throw out, discard, wipe out, overthrow, void, terminate, drop, trash (slang), repeal, eradicate, put an end to, quash, extinguish, dispense with, revoke, stamp out, obliterate, subvert, jettison, repudiate, annihilate, rescind, exterminate, invalidate, bring to an end, annul, nullify, blot out, expunge, abrogate, vitiate, extirpate http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abolish

which would require banning and confiscation to accomplish.

I have no problem if you dislike the gun culture and wish it were different. Many people agree with you.

[cleanhippie]

101. Your frustration is being pointed in the wrong direction.

I really do understand your sentiments and what you are frustrated about, but when you make statements like "DAMN the NRA", it shows that you don't realize or are ignoring the fact that the NRA is not to blame, but it is the past few decades of ANTI-GUN prohibitionist rhetoric and actions that have steeled gun owners and given the NRA so much clout.

Perhaps you should be angry with the VPC and the Brady Center, as THEY are the real cause of "the culture which holds it in such esteem."

[Starboard Tack]

109. Let's blame MADD for drunk driving and Jews for the Holocaust

How could the proliferation of guns and gun violence have anything to do with guns, the gun culture and the NRA? How could clouds have anything to do with rain? And the band played on.

[cleanhippie]

114. More nonsense from ignored? I'll bet it is.

[rl6214]

113. Michelle Bachmann knows all about them

:rofl:

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[spin]

115. Her grasp of history is somewhat lacking. (n/t)

[Keith Bee]

43. DING DING DING DING!

Exact!

[Euromutt]

49. If the existing gun laws didn't work, why would more of the same prove effective?

The fact of the matter is that there isn't a country in the world where there isn't some form of black market in firearms (with the possible exception of North Korea). A slew of existing laws were broken in delivering the revolver used to the 14 year-old in question; what are more gun laws going to do except result in more laws being broken with the same result?

At some point, do you find yourself utterly unable to say, "My solution for fixing the problem is to do nothing at all," with a straight face?

At some point, do you find yourself utterly unable to say, "My solution for fixing the problem is to adopt more of the same laws that already proved ineffective" with a straight face?

To argue that more gun laws aren't going to provide a solution is not the same as advocating doing nothing. It's an acknowledgment that there is no quick fix to a historical process that, over the course of more than 150 years, has done such an excellent job of creating a criminal underclass of inner-city young black men that it couldn't have done better if that had been the intention from the outset.

[Atypical Liberal]

74. Absolutely.

At some point, do you find yourself utterly unable to say, "My solution for fixing the problem is to do nothing at all," with a straight face?

I don't care what the solution is, but you aren't going to punish me for the actions of people like this 14-year-old gang banger.

It's just that simple. If the choices are doing nothing or affecting law-abiding people like me, then I choose doing nothing.

[eqfan592]

87. +1

nt

[Starboard Tack]

111. I don't necessarily advocate it, but how would enacting laws to protect

citizens from being killed by guns punish you? Why do you think it is about you?

[NewMoonTherian]

120. What kinds of laws, in particular?

In my experience, when someone leads off with "laws to protect citizens from being killed by guns," the conversation trends toward "closing the gun show loophole" and "high-capacity magazine ban".

It may be interesting to discuss ideas to legitimately reduce gun violence without hampering gun rights. If we can figure that out, we could then work on eliminating current ineffective and unjust laws.

[fishwax]

30. Chicago already has pretty strict gun laws

and yet ...

[elleng]

32. they have to be enforced.

[Oasis_]

35. He should spend the rest of his life in prison

He wants to purposefully and willfully extinguish a life,then treat them like an adult. It isn't "institutionalized racism" or any other excuse advanced to a nauseating degree to excuse the perps and somehow blame anyone and everyone BUT them.

The 14 year old is a rotten human being to the core. Treat him as such.

Oasis

[emilyg]

37. Agree.

[elleng]

38. You've met him?

'The 14 year old is a rotten human being to the core.'

[Oasis_]

39. No I haven't...

Nor do I wish to. Shooting a 12 year old in the back eliminates any type of empathy from me or need to seek any type of substantive "understanding". Your mileage may vary.

Oasis

[slackmaster]

50. His rottenness is self-evident from his bad BEHAVIOR.

:argh:

[DonP]

85. Self Evident truth: Back shooting a 12 year old kind of makes you scum

There are some things and some behaviors that don't require deep analysis or thought. This is one of the more obvious.

[oneshooter]

92. would you be willing to take him into your home,

nurture him, teach him the error of his ways, support him in changing for the good of society?

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[rrneck]

96. Not a chance.

But I'd love to tax the shit out of the richest one percent of Americans and America Inc to give him the help he needs.

[anarch]

36. I think guns are like cars

for two reasons:

1. I don't have one

2. I don't hold it against anyone else to have one, if they can just use it responsibly



But yeah, this shit really needs to stop. It's ridiculous.

[cleanhippie]

102. What is your suggestion for a solution

that will reduce criminal acts like the one in this story while securing the rights of Americans to keep and bear arms?

[anarch]

118. I don't know...better parenting?

I don't really have any useful suggestions, to be honest. Legislation generally won't stop a self-destructive society from self-destructing. :(

[cleanhippie]

123. On that, we are in complete agreement.

[Rex]

41. Wow 12 and 14, a WTF moment!

Does the school have a metal detector?

[PavePusher]

64. Happened outside the school. No detector on school grounds would have helped. n/t

[slackmaster]

47. Unrec for not addressing root cause. This has NOTHING to do with the Second Amendment.

The issue is children not being brought up with proper respect for others, humility, forgiveness, and other healthy values that allow a society to function smoothly.

ETA Skip Intro pegged it in reply #9. The problem is thug mentality taking the place of responsible behavior and empathy for fellow human beings. It's about dysfunctional families, failed parents, and a bizarre subculture that tolerates and even encourages thuggery and glorifies gangs.

[lawodevolution]

54. They did in heller vs DC and is rightly an individual right and also a civil liberty.

[-..__...]

57. "Isn't it time we seriously reconsidered the Second Amendment?"

Sure... I could go for that, but only if it were rewritten something similar to... "In order that citizens be able to defend life, liberty and property,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed".

[guardian]

76. The answer you are looking for is ... NO

"reconsider the 2nd Admendment"??

Isn't need. Not wanted. And won't happen. Time to move on.

[petronius]

95. Can we add in a phrase like "for any lawful reason that they see fit, without reference

to anyone other person's perception of need or appropriateness"? Maybe also a couple repetitions of the word "individual"... :)

[gejohnston]

58. I fail to see what this has to do with reconsidering the second

given the facts since at least one state, local, and most likely a federal gun control laws were violated.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

62. Put a stop to what?? ... everything he did was already illegal.

from underage possesion to using it in a gang shooting.
The kid probably committed 3-4 felonies bvefore ever pulling the trigger.

It was already illegal... and there's no way to stop people from breaking the law unless you can control their free will.

[X_Digger]

63. No.

When courts throw out evidence at a trial because of an improper warrant, and a murderer goes free, we don't consider repealing the fourth amendment.

When a murderer refuses to answer any more questions, we don't consider repealing the fifth amendment.

Fucking duh.

[PavePusher]

67. I am unable to see how the Second Amendment has anything to do....

with gang violence by armed juveniles.

Make the connection before creating absurd boogey-men.

[DonP]

71. Chicago already bans all guns

You already have a 20+ year gun ban in place. An underage person who is already banned from having a gun in any state in the union committing what is obviously a criminal act.

Your solution, in a neighborhood where anyone can buy or rent a gun on pretty much any street corner, is to pass more laws and change the constitution.

[Ready4Change]

72. One word:

Parents.

I've read this whole thread, 70 posts, and only one other post mentioned parents.

14 year old kid had access to a gun, and had a mentality that said it was 'ok' to take it and go shoot up another kid at a school yard. That screams total parenting failure to me. You can create all the laws you want, but 'this shit' will happen regardless, if parents don't raise their kids to respect the laws.

[slackmaster]

73. Thanks R4C. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it that way.

There is a tendency on DU, when something like this happens, to try to cast blame on everyone except the kid who did the crime and the people who failed to guide and nurture him into a responsible, ethical young man.

[elleng]

83. You're quite right; unfortunately it 'went without saying' far too often.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

99. +1

Procreation skills do not prove parenting skills.

[guardian]

75. You know if you

and the other antis would rail half as hard against the individuals who are the problem, or the gang culture that promotes hyper-violence and misogyny then maybe your actions would have a beneficial effect.

Anyone who thinks "stronger gun laws" would have stopped this kid from murdering his rival is a total idiot.

[Remmah2]

77. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with violence.

It's about social decay, declining values, and abuse of freedom in general. Gangs = pack mentality.

It seems an individual abused the First Amendment by using Face Book to communicate and instigate the violence.

I should not have to forfeit my rights because someone else behaves badly.

[cleanhippie]

79. No.

[cleanhippie]

81. Youa re so right, we DO need to put a stop to this shit.

This shit being gang/drug related shootings that have nothing to do with the Second Amendment.

[jeepnstein]

82. A 14 year old gang member?

You seriously think taking away my Constitutional Rights will do a thing to keep people like that from killing one another?

The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept. Likewise, advocates for gun owners should accept the awful reality that gun violence affects Americans everywhere, whether on the streets of Chicago or at a supermarket in Tucson.

Who said this?

[MicaelS]

84. Absolutely not...

To quote Atypical Liberal http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=406131&mesg_id=406426

It does not matter how many criminals do criminal things with firearms. I am not going to allow the actions of criminals to be used as an excuse for allowing law-abiding people do use firearms for whatever lawful purpose they like.

[ileus]

88. another thug giving firearms a bad name.

[pipoman]

93. Appears your answer is a resounding NO

Contrary to rethug talking points, most Democrats and Progressives are not, actually, in favor of eliminating civil liberties for the sake of perceived safety..

From 2009 in GD



From 2010 in GD

[guardian]

103. Excellent response!

Thanks for posting.

[virginia mountainman]

94. Nice to see that their are people among us...

Who would toss out he bill of rights, over somthing a 14 year old gang member does..

The OP exposed the way he truly feels about all of our civil libertys in just a few paragraphs.

[krispos42]

97. Should be base all rights on the most extreme case?

That's what BushCo did after 9-11.

[Katya Mullethov]

98. Fortunately those were in ancient times

When we believed that corruption and graft were brought about by evil spirits and through magic . Ahahahahahaha . But due to advances in science we NOW know it is simply a side effect of having dwarfs or extremely small gnomes , living in our stomachs .

eta Katya Mullethov Spin Barber of York

[NRA4EVR]

100. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with this act.

No, it's time to reconsider floggings and corporal punishment to be visited onto lawless perpetrators who need it.

[guardian]

105. Better yet

let's reconsider ignoring and shunning people that think we should reconsider the 2nd amendment.

[cleanhippie]

108. Best idea yet. +1.

[rl6214]

110. Gang member? Criminal doing criminal things?

Would woulda thought?

And Chitcago no less. Don't they have a ban in chitcago?

Yeah, that's working out real well.