UK farmer has shotguns confiscated

[Atypical Liberal]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380753/Farmers-fury-gipsy-death-threats-999-results-legally-held-guns-confiscated-case-retaliates.html

"Farmer menaced with death threats by gang of travellers dials 999... and police turn up to confiscate her shotguns"

Here is why we don't want firearm laws like they have in the UK.

This woman was clearly in the right, yet the police treat her as the criminal.

[slackmaster]

1. Can someone familiar with UK law explain the legal basis for the confiscation?

Assuming that one exists.

[TheWraith]

2. Must protect the government from the people.

So even one unregistered weapon, no matter how ancient, is a threat to order as we know it. Only the "approved" people are allowed to even think about engaging in firearms sports or hunting. Self defense? How dare she.

[Lasher]

4. Any person holding a Firearm or Shotgun Certificate must comply with strict conditions

regarding such things as safe storage. These storage arrangements are checked by the police before a licence is first granted, and on every renewal of the licence. A local police force may impose additional conditions on ownership, over and above those set out by law. Failure to comply with any of these conditions can mean forfeiture of the licence and surrender of any firearms to the police...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#Shotguns

Since the farmer was not hauled away for a 5 year prison sentence, it can be logically assumed that she had a Shotgun Certificate, which conveys a legal right to possess shotguns. My guess is, the police must have decided her shotguns were not safely stored, causing them to confiscate them and revoke her Shotgun Certificate.

Edit: OK I read the article. Police took her shotguns based on their concerns about her behavior. I'm sure her two shotguns made a fine addition to some constable's collection.

[slackmaster]

9. Local police have considerably more power there than they do here, then.

Thanks.

[Starboard Tack]

23. And they are not armed, which is good.

Why should the citizenry be armed if the police aren't?

[gejohnston]

28. Works well in Norway and New Zealand

[Glassunion]

3. She had that coming.

What business did she have owning guns?
Heaven forbid she have guns available to escalate the situation.
Having a group of people setup a caravan on her property and cut down a few trees is no reason to get upset or even to ask them to stop.
This way if those poor children come back she won't be able to murder them for just being children.
The police did the right thing.

[petronius]

5. Truly. As far as I can tell, she did not even provide food or fuel for her guests, nor did she

offer to let them move into her house. What a selfish authoritarian swine...

[Glassunion]

6. I'm sure we will be hearing from the 3rd Amendment crowd soon enough....

[virginia mountainman]

7. She clearly is not royalty

This is just the sort of elitism that gun control fosters, she was not an "only one", and thus, she does not need protection.

Glad we have a Bill of RIGHTS, and not "needs"

[lawodevolution]

8. Hear that flush?

UK going down the toilet.

[-..__...]

19. "Going down the toilet"?

They passed that point eons ago.

Whatever sensibilities, freedoms and rights they might have once had, has been throughly flushed and washed out to sea along with the rest of their sewerage.

Not my problem though... just as long as their shit of a society doesn't wash up on out shores.

[applegrove]

10. So why does this explain why you in the NRA don't want guns to be traceable by the police?

[PavePusher]

11. Do you make a purposeful habit of missing a point....

or is it an inbred talent?

[beevul]

12. Guns ARE traceable by the police.

Everyone knew within HOURS where loughner bought the gun used in AZ.


Was there some other falsehood you intended to assert?

[applegrove]

18. I was refering to this article.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x407510

[beevul]

22. Reasserting the same one then...Mkay.

Read the thread you so handily linked:


It debunks your claim, utterly and completely.

[pipoman]

13. Do you have a cite for this

or are you simply making shit up?

[applegrove]

17. Check out this OP. Read it to the end.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x407510

[pipoman]

27. Yeah, we know, the media and rabid activists like Daley and

Bloominidiot hate the Tiahart Amendment. It is in place because of misuse of the very data this self serving media outlet wants access to. The fact is that every crime gun can and is easily traced. The only criteria is that the law enforcement agency requesting the trace info must be working a criminal case. The last time specific trace data was allowed, a Chicago area gun store owner was publicly threatened with murder by one of Daley's buddies. Again, there are no crime guns which are not being traced, and traced quickly.

If you really want outrage over gun related law enforcement, look to the very law enforcement charged with investigating firearms crime..who refuse to do just that..

The ATF is responsible for retrieving firearms expeditiously from persons prohibited by the GCA from possessing firearms. We found that although the ATF normally has been able to retrieve the firearms eventually, the retrievals were not always timely. We also found that ATF special agents did not sufficiently document retrievals or provide assurance that a prohibited person no longer had access to the firearm.

Since 1998, the ATF has made progress in screening standard denial cases referred by the FBI. However, we found that the Brady Operations Branch and the ATF division offices were still referring standard denial cases to the ATF field offices that lacked prosecutorial merit, thereby increasing the workload of already overburdened field investigators and delaying the investigation of prosecutable cases. Cases without prosecutorial merit were being referred due to the lack of sufficient USAO prosecutorial guidelines, inadequate screening by some ATF divisions, inadequate communication, and insufficient training and guidance.

The Brady Operations Branch was using broad guidelines synthesized from jurisdiction-specific guidelines prepared by multiple USAOs. As a result, ATF division office personnel were required to perform additional screening using more specific individual USAO guidelines in order to determine whether a case merited investigation. Further, we found that the ATF had not allocated sufficient resources to the Brady Operations Branch to enable it to fully execute its responsibilities. Insufficient staffing resulted in extensive NICS case backlogs, which delayed the referral process and affected the timeliness of investigations. Also, the ATF had not provided funds for technological modifications of its case tracking and referral system to improve the operational efficiency of the Brady Operations Branch.

Our review also found that few NICS cases are prosecuted. During CYs 2002 and 2003, only 154 (less than 1 percent) of the 120,000 persons who were denied during the NICS background check were prosecuted. Historically, USAOs have been unsuccessful in achieving convictions in many of these cases and consequently have been unwilling to expend their limited resources on prosecuting most NICS cases.

-more-

http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e0406/exec.htm

[jpak]

14. Because the NRA coddles gangbangers, gunrunners and republican assholes

yup

[rl6214]

21. You can't possibly believe some of the tripe you post

You can't possibly be that dumb.

[guardian]

26. ya think?

Q: You know the difference between stupidity and genius?

A: There are limits to genius.

[guardian]

24. someone needs to adjust their medication n/t

[guardian]

25. self delete

replied to wrong response

[PavePusher]

20. I don't think you understand how gun-tracing works....

[oneshooter]

15. And were is our favoeite advocate of UK law? Off sailing? n/t

[WatsonT]

16. So if you want to use guns in self defense in jolly ol' england

Seems the best approach is to plant them on the other person then call the cops.

"Help I'm being murdered" results in a resounding "meh" from the cops.

"Help I see someone with an elongated metallic object that might possibly be a gun" gets the UK version of the SWAT team called in and the entire region locked down.