Obama administration seeks more comments on rifle sale plan

[jpak]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/28/us-usa-firearms-mexico-idUSTRE73R61C20110428

The Obama administration on Friday will seek another round of comments on its controversial proposal to require gun dealers in four states on the U.S.-Mexico border to report the sale of multiple rifles.

In a bid to curb the flow of guns into Mexico, where drug cartels have waged deadly wars to protect their business, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has sought to tighten reporting requirements in Arizona, Texas, New Mexico and California.

Under the proposal, dealers would have to report sales of two or more rifles to the same person at one time or during any five business days if the rifles are semi-automatic, with a caliber greater than .22 and detachable magazines.

The proposal will be published in the government's Federal Register on Friday seeking comments for 30 days, according to a copy obtained by Reuters on Thursday.

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just do it already

yup

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[sasha031]

3. they yell the loudest, it's about time they are ignorered

[sasha031]

2. just left my comment, spoke to a very lovely woamn

people in Mexico are getting slaughtered because of the irresponsibility of gun sellers in this country.

[PavePusher]

4. What "irresponsibility"?

That they can't read minds to know what apparently legal buyers are going to do with the guns they buy? That they follow ATF instructions to complete suspicious sales?

Seriously, WTH are retailers supposed to do?

[jpak]

5. NRA distraction alert

a-ooooga

a-ooooga

that is all

[PavePusher]

7. What "irresponsibility"? Spell it out, please. n/t

[jpak]

8. Selling thousands of assault rifles to Mexican Gun Runners

yup

[PavePusher]

9. Yeah, not happening. Haven't you been paying attention?

Hell, you're not even using the right words...

[jpak]

11. It is happening and that's why Obama wants to do something about it

yup

[Kurska]

13. Legally purchased guns are smuggled, but not assault rifles.

And not in large enough numbers to justify regional disregarding of the second amendment.

I can't wait for the "I'm not some crazy gun wacko! Why should I have to basic terminology of the subject I spend hours debating about!"

[jpak]

16. There are thousands, that's why Obama is doing this and that is why Mexico wants to sue US dealers

yup

[Kurska]

21. The vast majority of gun dealers along the Mexican border probably aren't even licensed to sell

class three weapons and by definition Assault rifles are exclusively class three weapons.

[X_Digger]

29. Put down the crack pipe and pick up the GAO report. n/t

[beevul]

33. Why does the Mexican government want certain ATF agents extradited to Mexico and arrested?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20045147-10391695.html


Or are they NRA/GOP shills too?



Don't be shy, step and have a swing precious.

[Oneka]

38. you think the dealers are the ultimate problem here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x401832


Willful ignorance much?

[DonP]

18. "Seeking Comments" and "forming a committee" is how you bury an issue

That's the easy way out for a politician.

If there's an issue you don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole, let's say something like gun control in an election year, you form a committee to review the subject, seek public comment and hold hearings in a basement conference room in the Capitol and be kind of vague about when they are held.

Seeking Comments is "doing something about it". Don't hold your breath for any changes, ... on second thought, hold your breath.

[RSillsbee]

35. No, this time Jpak is right.

Thousands of assault rifles were sold to Mexico by the U.S. Governemnt. If corrupt Mexican officials sold them to the trafficantes afterwards that has nothing to do w/ us

[Kurska]

12. Learn the definition of assault rifle.

"An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine."

"Intermediate cartridge"
Sure
"Detachable magazine"
Yep
"Selective fire"
Nope

The term you're looking for is "Semi-automatic rifle", assault rifle is reserved for selective fire weapons. An ak-47 without a. automatic fire option isn't a assault rifle.

Surely you're aware of the restriction on automatic weapons in the united states? How because of those restrictions it would nearly 10-30 times more expensive to purchase legally here than it would be to purchase somewhere else (Global price of selective fire ak-47 around 300 dollars, USA would be around 10,000)? If you find me legal automatic weapons being purchased in large numbers and shipped to mexico I will eat my hat.

[jpak]

17. I know the definition and that is why Mexican Cartels get them from US dealers

so they can spray rounds just as fast as they can pull the trigger

30 rounds to a clip

yup

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[Kurska]

22. Isn't it obvious?

He/she thinks they can rile people by willfully using inaccurate terms. Why? Some people have nothing better to do with their time than be FORCEFULLY ignorant.

[Kurska]

20. I'm sorry, but you don't. Semi-automatic only rifle is never considered an assault rifle

You sound like someone insisting a corvette converted to never allow the top to be taken down is "A convertible". Words have meanings, try to use them correctly if you want to be taken seriously.

Clip is also a inaccurate term, you're looking for "Magazine", a clip is a thin strip of metal often used to insert cartridges into a magazine (be it internal or detachable).

[jpak]

23. sorry - I own semi-auto deer rifle and it has a clip - 4 rounds max

The NRA grammer police can take a hike

yup

[Kurska]

24. It isn't grammar either it is semantics.

Is your normal response to someone going out of their way to explain simple concepts to you sarcasm? You must have had a great time in kindergarten.

[jpak]

25. grammer, semantics, whatever - they still can take a hike

yup

[Kurska]

26. Who needs basic understanding of the subject they are debating anywho? n/t

[jpak]

27. I bought a book called "Small Arms of the World" from Outdoor Life Books when I was kid

Practically memorized it

Try again

[beevul]

32. Correction?

"You must have had a great time in kindergarten."


Only a minor one, in that I think perhaps you have the tense of it wrong.

I think "be having" is probably more accurate.

[oneshooter]

37. So you admit to owning a assault rifle. n/t

[beevul]

14. But its A-OK when ATF does it right? N/T

[Kurska]

15. Even the ATF didn't help smuggle assault rifles.

Don't justify his/her use of the the wrong term with a real a response, it just another attempt to frame the debate and deny reality, logic be damned.

[beevul]

30. Touche.

But lets not lose sight of the fact that the anti gunners and the scummy lobby they worship have said nary a word about what the ATF did.

Well, other than deny deny deny.

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[Remmah2]

6. I guess the US government wants a monopoly on foreign sales

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381630/WikiLeaks-Mexican-drug-gangs-armed-U-S-weapons.html

"Mexican drug cartels are being armed with weapons supplied by the U.S., leaked documents show."



In other Mexican related violence news:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380269/5-beauty-parlour-women-throats-slashed-Acapulco.html

[gejohnston]

31. wikileaks says otherwise

since it is not from VPC or Brady, you will dismiss it out of hand.


http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090708_mexico_economics_and_arms_trade

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/04/19/where-drug-cartels-really-get-their-arms/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381630/WikiLeaks-Mexican-drug-gangs-armed-U-S-weapons.html

[ileus]

10. All or none.....50 states or none. IMHO

[X_Digger]

28. Yah right.

Why should the executive branch get to do in 2011 what it took an act of congress to do in 1968?

Fuck that.

[beevul]

34. Not just no, but HELL NO.

Proposals like this one, while stonewalling of the gunwalker investigation continues, are disgusting and inappropriate.


And anyone that says otherwise has an axe to grind.