NRA chief wants Holder resignation

[jpak]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53994.html

The National Rifle Association’s CEO Saturday said Attorney General Eric Holder should step down for allowing an ATF operation to occur on his watch that involved the sale of guns to suspicious customers with ties to Mexican drug cartels.

The ATF allegedly encouraged gun dealers to sell multiple firearms to known and suspected criminals as part of a broader sting operation to crack down on gunrunning. In a speech to thousands of gun activists here, NRA chief Wayne LaPierre said two assault rifles that the ATF “let walk” were found at the crime scene where a border patrol agent was gunned down last December.

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“Fighting criminal activity along the Southwest Border – including the illegal trafficking of guns to Mexico – has been a priority of this Administration and this Department of Justice,” Miller said. “The mission of ATF and other law enforcement agencies is to stop the flow of illegal weapons and drugs across the Border – and it will continue to be. The Attorney General takes seriously the concerns that have been raised, and that’s why he has asked the Inspector General to get to the bottom of it. He has also made it clear to the law enforcement agencies and prosecutors working along the Southwest Border that no one in the Department should allow guns to illegally cross the border into Mexico.”

LaPierre and other speakers at the NRA annual meeting attacked the Obama administration for using violence in Mexico as a justification to call for cracking down on certain kinds of gun sales. He also faulted Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano for saying that the border is safe.

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[beevul]

1. Holder SHOULD step down.

"using violence in Mexico as a justification to call for cracking down on certain kinds of gun sales."

Well, have they or haven't they?

[movonne]

2. bs

[beevul]

3. What a substantive response. N/T

[bluerum]

6. You have to admit - it certainly captures the moment.

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[rfranklin]

4. La Pierre is a partisan tool for the Republicans...

He should step down and eat shit.

[bluerum]

5. Right. The NRA should dictate national law enforcement policy. Please.

[beevul]

8. If he can't or wont police his own...

If he can't or wont police his own, he has no business policing anything else.


Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico

ATF agent says "Fast and Furious" program let guns "walk" into hands of Mexican drug cartels with aim of tracking and breaking a big case


(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.

He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?

"Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."

"I'm boots on the ground in Phoenix, telling you we've been doing it every day since I've been here," he said. "Here I am. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen. Now you have a name on it. You have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now, tell me it didn't happen."


Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody


And now his DOJ is stonewalling.


Care to defend that?

[jaxx]

9. The NRA isn't the boss.

But I bet the wingers love that LaPierre guy running his mouth against the Obama administration.

[Tejas]

23. Correct, they're not ----> I am the boss.

The NRA has 4 million members, I am one of the 80 million gunowners that doesn't belong (at the moment) and if given the opportunity I wouldn't be half as nice as the NRA. LaPierre has to be a diplomat, I can speak my mind.

By the way, this has nothing to with "the Obama administration" but everything to do with power hungry zealots in the ATF and how much Holder knew.

[rrneck]

10. He's a political liability.

And a gift to the Republicans. It's not the crime but the cover up...

[iverglas]

11. will he hold his breath until he turns blue

if he doesn't get what he wants?

Please say yes!

[pipoman]

12. If Holder knew

he should be dismissed. I believe that who ever is the highest JD official who knew about the 'gun walking' operation and key people on the committee who approved this tactic, should be dismissed soon. This isn't going away anytime soon. It is just a matter of time before some other high profile murder is committed with these guns...remember there are over a thousand by most reports I've read.

[Euromutt]

15. According the theory of command responsibility...

...Holder either needs to cause the heads to roll of those individuals responsible for the "Fast & Furious" debacle, if Holder himself had been kept in the dark about it; or in the event that he was aware of it, he needs to resign or be fired.

[Bold Lib]

17. Correction, if Holder knew

he should be prosecuted along with anyone else that instructed that this illegal activity take place.

[DissedByBush]

24. First rule of leadership, it's ALWAYS your fault n/t

[beevul]

25. I would wager...

"It is just a matter of time before some other high profile murder is committed with these guns...remember there are over a thousand by most reports I've read."


That number - "thousands - was in the phx case alone.


I would wager that since this was going on from early 2010, and that its likely not limited strictly to PHX, that the number is far far higher.

New information:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20059640-10391695.html

[onehandle]

13. Attorney Generaling while black. nt

[beevul]

14. No, Attorney Generaling while overseeing a bureau involved in government sponsored gun running.

Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico

ATF agent says "Fast and Furious" program let guns "walk" into hands of Mexican drug cartels with aim of tracking and breaking a big case


(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.

He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?

"Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."

"I'm boots on the ground in Phoenix, telling you we've been doing it every day since I've been here," he said. "Here I am. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen. Now you have a name on it. You have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now, tell me it didn't happen."


Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml?tag=contentMain

Yeah, those damn whistleblowers are out to get holder because hes black... :sarcasm:

Care to discuss that at all, rather than playing the race card?


I can't help but notice...


All you anti-gun types are aweful tight lipped about the gun walker scandal.


Why is that?


Do you approve of such things?

[Bold Lib]

18. No, we are discussing the possibility that the attorney general directed

the illegal sale of firearms and their subsequent smuggling into Mexico. I'm surprised that you seem to be trying to ignore, if not supporting, this activity.

[PavePusher]

19. Racism? Really? n/t

[rl6214]

20. Bullshit

Throwing out the race card is pure bullshit.

[Tejas]

22. When all else fails, add more fail.

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[rl6214]

21. Hopefully Holder will be raked over the coals today.

[Atypical Liberal]

26. Holder probably should resign.

If he was aware of this program to allow firearms to be trafficked into Mexico, then he should resign or be fired for allowing it.

If he wasn't aware of this program, he should have been, and thus he should resign or be fired.

My personal opinion is that Holder is on a mission to crack down on "assault rifles". Remember, he floated the idea of re-instating an assault weapons ban just a couple of months after his appointment. When that idea was roundly shouted down from both sides of the isle, my guess is he then moved on to devise a program to try and cast a bad light on assault rifles.

He could not use crime statistics in the United States, because all rifles, let alone assault rifles, are only used in about 300 homicides here every year - half as many as hands and feet account for. So a new angle had to be tried to make assault rifles seem bad. What better way than to tie them to the never-ending "war on drugs"?

It's my opinion that this gun-walking exercise was a deliberate attempt to try and gin up some bad publicity for assault rifles and so gin up support for restricting them.

[jpak]

27. kick

yup