GUNS IN THE NEWS--May 20, 2004

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Trio arrested in drive-by shooting (MT)

"Three Billings residents, including two teenagers, were arrested Tuesday evening in connection with a drive-by shooting on the South Side.
According to the Billings Police Department, Harrison Collins, 21, and two teeagers were arrested after one resident reported a drive-by shooting incident and another resident seeing the the suspects point a gun at a motorist in the Billings Heights.
Police reports said at 8:17 p.m. Tuesday, officers responded to the drive-by report at 819½ S. 28th St. The complaintant said a dark-colored car with someone inside shot three times into his car. One bullet hole was found in the car, which was unoccupied at the time of the incident. "

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2004/05/20/build/local/55-driveby-arrests.inc

Quick...what far right wing lobbying group that has odious nutcase Grover Norquist on its board idiotically publishes a gun magazine for kids?

[MrBenchley]

2. Four Shot in Westside Nightclub (MI)

"Four people were shot in a bar on Detroit's west side Wednesday night. At least one of the victims has died from his wounds.
A birthday party was underway at Bobby G's Lounge for 27-year-old Ron Huston. It was Huston who was shot to death during the altercation.
Witnesses told 7 Action News that shots were fired inside and outside of the bar. A 57-year-old man, in charge of security at Bobby G's, told 7 Action News that he was shot in the foot just outside the club. "

http://www.detnow.com/wxyz/nw_local_news/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15924_2900557,00.html

[MrBenchley]

3. 3-Year-Old Boy Shot On Milwaukee's South Side

"A 3-year-old boy was shot in his home Wednesday near 22nd and Greenfield on the city's south side.
It happened right around 11 p.m.
Police said the bullet was fired from outside the home. His injuries are not life threatening and he's in stable condition. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/wdiv/20040520/lo_wisn/2214269

[FatSlob]

4. 67,000 Legally Carry Concealed Weapons in Arizona

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0520gunpermits20.html

viewing requires 3 answer questionnaire. Takes under ten seconds.

[MrBenchley]

6. 5.5 million people inconvienced for the sake of 67,000 neurotics

Of course, this IS the same state that was a national laughingstock on the Daily Show last week for the idiotic GOP proposal to let imbeciles carry guns in bars....

[FatSlob]

7. Nobody is inconvenienced except the criminals.

I'm sure everybody believes you, Bench.

[MrBenchley]

8. Everybody is inconvenienced for the sake of a handful of neurotics

and pro-gun Arizona is a national laughingstock...

[OpSomBlood]

11. Guy from New Jersey calling another state a laughingstock.

This is better than a night at the Improv.

[MrBenchley]

12. Guy from Jebbo's banana republic

Opening his yap about ANY state....

[OpSomBlood]

13. 88 degrees and clear.

No state income tax, low property taxes, great job market, a million things to do.

Who we have as a governor really doesn't keep me up much at night. Neither does the fact that I don't live in New Jersey.

[iverglas]

20. and that says ... ?

Who we have as a governor really doesn't keep me up much at night.

I mean, not that it's necessarily surprising.

Whaddaya think -- will who you have as a governor be able to pull that little stunt off again in November? You know ... the one where his brother ends up as the President of the US?

(bad editing edited)

[OpSomBlood]

31. It says that there's more to life than obsessing about politics.

n/t

[FatSlob]

19. Don't you mean New Jersistan <grin>?

Nah, I'm sure the most polluted state in the country is a wonderful place to live. Criminal neurotics with guns, no law-abiding citizens able to fight back, and the City of Patterson. Heaven on Earth. It does have one helluva fine golf course, so even Jersistan has its good points.

[MrBenchley]

22. Geeze, fat slob...

I've never heard anyone but the most dimwitted right wing trash refer to the state by that name.

[FatSlob]

25. You don't get out much, then.

I'm glad that my grandmother got out of "reeking cesspool of a state, populated by gangsters and corrupt to the core"...those are her words. Frankly, young man, New Jersey is about as authoritarian as a state can get. That is a conversation for another thread. Remember, dear Benchley, everybody believes you.

[MrBenchley]

26. Too fucking funny....

"New Jersey is about as authoritarian as a state can get."
Yeah, I can see you're somebody who talks to lots of adults (snicker)....

"Remember, dear Benchley, everybody believes you."
Gee, fat slob....what do I care whether someone like YOU believes me or not...given the RKBA crowd's chronic dishonesty?

[FatSlob]

27. Funniest post of the day!

Benchley writes:
""Remember, dear Benchley, everybody believes you."
Gee, fat slob....what do I care whether someone like YOU believes me or not...given the RKBA crowd's chronic dishonesty?"

My nomination for funniest post of the day!

[FatSlob]

29. So, is it heaven?

With the criminal neurotics with guns, the pollution, the corruption, the City of Patterson. Maybe it is...Pine Valley is the best golf course out there.

[Wickerman]

32. Being from Florida ain't much to crow about

says the boy from Iowa. Uh, seriously, screw where posters are from. Often, it can't be avoided. So you live in Florida, we still like YOU, and that's what counts. Mr B lives in NJ, I understand, hey, if toxic sludge is his deal, well, so be it.

bigger issues to deal with, lets ALL stick to post topics, not the source, geographical or personality.

[FatSlob]

18. I'm sure everybody believes you.

Of course they do, don't they?

[MrBenchley]

21. Geeze, fat slob...

considering the preposterous right wing horseshit your peers DO believe, that's an amazing fucking laugh.

[FatSlob]

24. uh-huh

I believe you.

[MrBenchley]

5. Bystander Shot In Fordham Road Jewel Heist (NY)

"(New York) -- A security guard accidentally shot an 18-year-old woman in the leg while trying to stop an armed holdup at a Bronx jewelry store.
Police say the shooting occurred after five armed men entered the store in the Fordham section of the Bronx and demanded jewelry. As they fled with assorted items, the security guard fired one shot."

http://1010wins.com/topstories/winstopstories_story_141065618.html

[MrBenchley]

9. Greenville Sheriff's Office K-9 Shot, Wounded (NC)

"A Greenville County K-9 dog is recovering from a gunshot wound Wednesday evening.
Deputies said they responded to an area behind Parker Middle School at the intersection of Eighth Street and Woodside Avenue around 6 p.m. on a report of a suspicious person in a car.
When deputies arrived, the man fled on foot into a field. A K-9 officer released his dog, Roscoe, to pursue the man.
Deputies said the man turned and fired on the dog, hitting him at least once. The man, Torrey Jamison, surrendered a short time later.
Jamison is charged with one count resisting arrest, one count of carrying a pistol unlawfuly and one count of injuring a police K-9 "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/wral/20040520/lo_wyff/2213456

[MrBenchley]

10. Police say fleeing suspect had loaded assault rifle (NY)

"ALBANY -- A Hurlbut Street man will be arraigned in his hospital bed on weapons charges after he was found with an assault rifle slung around his neck and a loaded .38 caliber handgun stuffed in his belt early today, police said.
When detectives and patrol officers approached Smith, they found he had the Tech-9 slung over his neck and it was loaded with a large capacity feeder containing 44 rounds. Another round was in the gun's chamber."

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=249876&category=&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=5/20/2004

[OpSomBlood]

16. A Tec-9 is not an assault rifle.

It's not a rifle at all.

But why should facts get in the way of a good anti-gun article? Blame the gun, but ignore the dealer or straw buyer who supplied this mentally ill man with firearms.

[MrBenchley]

14. Girl held after gun is found in her backpack (MI)

"A 15-year-old Detroit girl was in juvenile detention Wednesday after security officers at Martin Luther King High School found a loaded .380 semiautomatic handgun in her backpack. Her boyfriend said the gun belonged to him, as did several witnesses.
Detroit police officers from the 7th (Mack) Precinct were called to the school at about 12:45 p.m. Tuesday after security officers had detained the girl and her 17-year-old boyfriend.
Witnesses told security officers that the boyfriend had been showing off the gun to five other male students in the gymnasium. When officers detained him, however, officers found no gun.
A witness told officers to check the teen's girlfriend standing in the hallway. Inside her backpack was a Hi-Point brand firearm loaded with what police said were "drilled-out hollow-point bullets." "

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/gun20_20040520.htm

Yeah, the NRA's gun magazine for kids is a truly idiotic and irresponsible idea.

[OpSomBlood]

15. I bet that kid was in the NRA and read Insights magazine every day.

n/t

[MrBenchley]

17. Police: Teen Shooting Suspect Captured In Detroit

"A teen who was on the run after allegedly shooting two people was taken into custody in Detroit Wednesday afternoon.
Aaron Michael Dugger-Barnett, 16, is accused of shooting two other teens with a .22-caliber rifle around 10:30 a.m.
Charles Sampson, 18, went with his friend to Dugger-Barnett's home on Plymouth and Grayfield streets in Redford Township to collect a $30 debt, according to Local 4 reports. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040520/lo_wdiv/2212375

[MrBenchley]

23. Bizarre debate on Senate floor (CA)

"Sacramento -- Foreplay got the nod over gunplay Wednesday by state senators deciding what types of shows to allow at the Cow Palace.
A debate over banning gun shows at the Cow Palace turned into an argument over whether the Exotic Erotic Ball should be barred as well.
Through a parliamentary maneuver, Republicans in the Senate sought to amend Speier's bill to also ban the presence of the annual Exotic Erotic Ball, billed as "the world's wildest and sexiest party." Democrats voted to defeat the amendments.
"You are voting to keep live sex acts in a state facility going on," Sen. Bill Morrow, R-Oceanside (San Diego County), told his colleagues. Morrow also passed out advertisements for the event, which takes place in October, on the Senate floor.
In response, Senate President Pro Tem John Burton, D-San Francisco, deadpanned: "I've never heard of any kids on a playground killed by a live sex act." "

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/05/20/BAGSC6OQP51.DTL

Wow...guess right wing loonies really do have an unnatural attachment to their penises er, guns...

[MrBenchley]

28. Gun groups seek easier concealed-weapons permits (UT)

As if gun owners weren't dangerous and irresponsible enough...

"SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Some pro-gun groups have urged legislators to dump the firearms instruction requirement for obtaining a concealed-weapons permit.
They told the Legislature's Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee on Wednesday that statistics do not show that training and other regulations for permit holders prevent mishaps or misuse of a firearm.
Scott Engen with Gun Owners of Utah urged that the requirements be abandoned.
He said handling a firearm is not much more complicated than using a stapler.
"The consequence of handling those two instruments doesn't even compare," said Sen. Paula Julander, D-Salt Lake City.
Marla Kennedy, executive director of the Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah, said nobody be can be sure of the adequacy of training because there is no oversight of the instructors.
She said it also is impossible to produce a review based on the students' actions after getting a permit because their names are not public."

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2004/05/20/news/regional/c6f0bb1b35af468c87256e9a0057b14f.txt

That pretty much sums up the fundamental dishonesty of the gun rights movement: hide the names of permit holders and then announce that no-one can prove they're a menace.

[FatSlob]

30. Sure.

We believe your commentary. Ok, we don't, it was riddled with errors.

[MrBenchley]

33. Yup...

And given what dishonest shit the RKBA crowd peddles every day....

[MrBenchley]

34. County resident arrested after shooting in North View (WV)

"CLARKSBURG -- A Clarksburg man was wounded and a Harrison County man arrested following a shooting in North View late Tuesday, police said.
Michael Martinez, 24, the shooting victim, was taken to United Hospital Center by the Harrison County Emergency Squad, according to Clarksburg Police Detective Sgt. Curt Dytzel. Martinez was treated and released, a hospital spokeswoman said.
The incident happened about 10:10 p.m. Tuesday, Dytzel said. The shooting occurred in the street in front of an acquaintance who resided on Hamill Avenue, Dytzel said.
Gerald David Hosack, 20, of Lost Creek was arrested in a park along North 18th Street about 12:25 a.m., Dytzel said. A .32-caliber handgun believed to have been used in the shooting was found tucked under Hosack's belt, Dytzel said."

http://www.cpubco.com/cgi-bin/LiveIQue.acgi$rec=17115cbgCurrentLocalNews?cbgCurrentLocalNews