300,000 have gun permits: Indiana

[FatSlob]

According to thte article, Hoosiers carry arms at the second highest rate in the country. http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/161649-4651-009.html

Look at the stats at the end of the page.

[MrBenchley]

1. They're working like a charm....NOT!

"In addition to the 505 people in Indianapolis who suffered death or injury by guns in 2002, it cost $5 million to treat them medically, according to the Indiana Partnership to Prevent Firearm Violence, which reported in late Autumn, 2003.
Although homicides in Marion County have been going down since 1998, which had a record high of 162 fatalities, 2001 and 2002 each had 119 homicides, including police action shootings and shootings in self-defense."

"The Americans for Gun Safety Foundation has found that 9,023 guns bought at 14 gun stores in Indiana between 1996 and 2000 were used in more crimes than those bought in any other state.
Four out of the five top sellers of guns for crime were based in the metropolitan Indianapolis area.  One, Don's Guns, with 2,294 guns used in crimes, was second only to a Chicago firm.  "

http://www.hcgv.org/winter2004.html

[Salmo Trutta]

2. Remind me to not live in Indiana....

What in the hell are they all carrying guns around for?

That's the problem with this country, you can't walk into a WaWa without thinking some fool has a gun and is willing to use it if you look at him funny.

[JayS]

3. What is a WaWa? n/t

n/t

[Salmo Trutta]

4. It's only the greatest store on the planet...

It's like a really nice 7-11

check out www.wawa.com

[JayS]

8. Thanks. I had not heard of them before. n/t

n/t

[skippythwndrdog]

22. Oops! Look Lower

[Salmo Trutta]

25. You made 300,000 at WaWa???

[skippythwndrdog]

27. Clicked reply to the wrong post.

Look lower in the thread.

[Salmo Trutta]

28. I was starting to wonder if I was shopping at the wrong WaWa

[mosin]

7. The guy...

who will shoot you for looking at him funny doesn't have a concealed handgun license.

You can look at the statistics from the 38 states that readily issue CHLs. CHL holders simply don't commit violent crimes. You can't find more than a few cases, ever, out of millions of licensees.

[MrBenchley]

10. Too TOO funny

"CHL holders simply don't commit violent crimes."
Unless you actually LOOK...at which point you discover they not only commit crimes, but do so at a rate HIGHER than the general population...

"From 1996 to 2000, Texas concealed handgun license holders were arrested for weapon-related offenses11 at a rate 81 percent higher than that of the general population of Texas, aged 21 and older. These weapon-related offenses include arrests for 279 assaults or aggravated assaults with a deadly weapon, 671 unlawfully carrying a weapon, and 172 deadly conduct/discharge firearm."

http://www.vpc.org/studies/ltk4intr.htm

"Texas concealed handgun license holders have been arrested for nearly two crimes a day since the law went into effect.
* Texas concealed handgun license holders have been arrested for more than one serious violent crime per month including: murder/attempted murder, kidnapping4, and rape or sexual assault since the law went into effect.
* Texas concealed handgun license holders have been arrested for one weapon-related offense every other day since the law went into effect.
* Family violence was identified in more than one in 20 incidents involving concealed handgun license holders."

http://www.vpc.org/studies/ltk2intr.htm

http://www.vpc.org/studies/ltk2inc.htm

http://www.vpc.org/studies/ltk3arr.htm

Hence the push from the gun lobby to keep this information hidden from the public in state after state.

[TX-RAT]

13. Whats really funny

Remember Kerry at the Gun Slick club. Remember how this place erupted over that picture of him with his finger on the trigger.
Check out Gomer in the link. Wheres the out rage now?

[MrBenchley]

20. Don't you know...our "pro gun democrats"

only pretend it's a public danger if a Democrat does it...

[Wild Bill]

15. Damn lies and statistics

Texas has about 240,000 CHL holders out of about 24 million people.

Here is the most recent conviction rate chart from Texas DPS

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/convrates.htm

Now as far as I can tell there is only one category that CHL holders lead in rate of conviction. Can you tell me why they lead in that one category?

[MrBenchley]

21. Congratulations...

That's the same horseshit way to look at it that led Faux Noise to proclaim Iraq was safer for our troops than California.

"Texas has about 240,000 CHL holders out of about 24 million people."
And it's a fucking disaster area....CHL has been utterly worthless in doing anything but giving a handful of neurotics a dangerous toy to play with...

[Salmo Trutta]

11. That's reassuring...

in addition to 300,000 people who say things like "Indiana is nice and safe" but still carry a gun, there is an indeterminate population of people who carry a gun outside of the law...

Great.

[mosin]

12. They are committing crimes...

but surely they'll obey the next anti-gun law we pass. :eyes:

What do you suggest to put a stop to the criminals committing crimes? Pass a law making crimes even more illegal?

[Salmo Trutta]

16. No, let's arm 300,000 people to take care of crime themselves!

Yeah, that's the ticket. Half a million vigilantes.

[mosin]

23. CHL holders...

are not vigilantes. We are not the "solution" to crime.

But we are also not the problem.

[Salmo Trutta]

24. You're right...

they're not vigilantes. To be a vigilante, you need to be able to shoot your gun without the use of a walker...

[mosin]

31. I run 6 miles a day...

several times a week, and more on the weekends. All without a walker. Do I qualify?

(That man is violating safety rules by having his finger on the trigger.)

[skippythwndrdog]

33. Age does not make idiots - or geniuses

It does slow people down, but Wilbur doesn't appear to be in poor mental or physical shape. I remember my grandfather roofing barns until he was nearly 90. Tom Ewell's (remember him - opposite Marilyn monroe in 7 Year Itch or as the old wino on Baretta?) mom lived alone and drove her own car until she was 108. She did it safely, too. I knew her well because she was a close friend of my grandparents.

OTOH, I don't know how much protection Wilbur's gonn get from that Hi Power .22.

Wilbur, stop being a dumbass and get your damn finger off the trigger!

[Salmo Trutta]

34. Roofing barns at age 90, make a mistake, and you kill yourself

packing heat at 90, or 84 in this case of Wilbuuuuuuur, make a mistake, and you kill somebody else...

[skippythwndrdog]

36. Gotta give the devil his due

The killed part applies to any age in either pursuit.

[library_max]

38. Yeah, but the difference is that barns need roofs. /nt

[Wickerman]

35. Damn, look a tthat ol' boy with his finger on the trigger

guess that disqualifies him from a presidential run :eyes:

[mosin]

5. I love Indiana!

Very friendly. Very safe.

And since Indiana recognizes all out-of-state concealed handgun licenses, I've carried in Indiana for years on other states' licenses. Now, of course, I have an Ohio license as well.

We're actually considering a move to south-eastern Indiana or northern Kentucky. We're thinking about buying a small farm. I miss horses and shooting tin cans in my back yard, and my wife would like more room for the kids.

[Salmo Trutta]

6. Very friendly and very safe

yet you feel the need to carry a concealed weapon?

Now if you said "Dark and dangerous", then you'd make more sense.

[mosin]

9. I live in Cincinnati...

where carrying is quite justified. Of course, I carry everywhere out of habit.

I've been called "dark," but I've never been called dangerous. :)

[skippythwndrdog]

18. Not that casinos are a bad thing. They're not.

It's just too bad that the property values from the Indiana state line to Vevay along the river have jumped so much since Argosy, Grand Vic and Belterra have opened. On the brighter side, all of the little river towns have enjoyed a lively resurgence in tourism since gaming arrived. All the tired and dirty little river towns have become vibrant, clean aommunities with the infusion of gaming dollars and the income from the casino patrons.

[Salmo Trutta]

19. When you lose a couple hundred bucks at a sitting...

casinos are a *very* bad thing.

Damn Donald Trump and his Atlantic City...

[skippythwndrdog]

26. Yup. But ain't it sweet when you get the security escort to the valet

because you cleaned out the rack? or hit a biggie on the slots? I don't do slots, but my wife has hit a couple of jackpots over $100,000.00. My best night at black jack netted almost $300,000.00. Oh yeah, thanks for the loot, Mr. Harrah.

[Salmo Trutta]

29. Alas, I am sure that is a feeling I will never savour,

as my gambling ties were severed by a Mrs Salmo Trutta years ago.

[NorthernSpy]

41. "dark and dangerous", huh?

And if a pro-gunner had gone with this particular choice of words, anyone wanna guess what accusation would likely have followed, regular as clockwork?


:eyes:


Mary

[library_max]

30. Very Republican, too. /nt

[mosin]

32. There is that.

:(

Maybe I can be a Democratic evangelist.

[CO Liberal]

14. Is That Why....

...there are so many shootings in and around Indianapolis?

:shrug:

[slackmaster]

39. If you find evidence linking the crime to lawful permit holders

Please share it with us.

[papau]

17. Only 30,000 in Mass

:-( ????

:-)

[Romulus]

37. sorry about that

but look on the bright side, MD has less than 800!!!

[papau]

40. The Mass number is for all types of weapons lic. - CC are much much less

A "B" lic gets you 10 rounds or less in the trunk of the car going hunting, target shooting, or transporting to a new permanent location. There is also a simple have in the house lic, as I recall.

The "A" lic is the CC - and I did not get the number for that alone.