GUNS IN THE NEWS - July 14, 2004

[CO Liberal]

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[MrBenchley]

1. Oops!

Great minds think alike....I'll use your thread.

[MrBenchley]

2. Second arrest made in drug and guns case (CT)

"TORRINGTON - City police arrested a second suspect alleged to be involved in prescription drug sales with a Culvert Street man who was found Monday with an arsenal of firearms and a stock of narcotics.
Dayna Pomizzano 17, formerly of Park Avenue, Torrington, and now a resident of Bristol, was arrested by city police on Tuesday and charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and possession of narcotics. She posted a $2,500 bond Tuesday night and is scheduled to appear in Bantam Superior Court on July 26, police said.
"There may be more arrests in this case," said Officer James Crean of the Torrington Police Depart-ment. "The investigation is ongoing."
Crean went to 33 Culvert St. on Monday afternoon to talk to Antone Torre, 36, about a reported sale of prescription drugs that allegedly occurred last month and discovered 14 firearms, including an assault rifle, tear gas, armor piercing bullets and 127 grams of marijuana."

http://www.registercitizen.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=12331447&BRD=1652&PAG=461&dept_id=12530&rfi=6

[CO Liberal]

3. Denver Police Kill Unarmed, Disabled Man In Bed

Looks like there are a few problems in the Denver PD. But I'd still trust a cop way before I'd trust some yahoo with a concealed permit. Underlining emphasis is mine. - Wayne

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Denver Police Kill Unarmed, Disabled Man In Bed

UPDATED: 8:40 AM EDT July 14, 2004

DENVER -- Police responding to a report of a woman being assaulted by her husband shot and killed the suspect's uncle, who was watching television in bed.

The death, the third fatal police shooting in Denver this year, sparked a protest Tuesday outside the mayor's office, with activists chanting "stop killer cops." An aide said the mayor is examining officers' use of force.

Police Chief Gerry Whitman said Monday that an officer mistook a soda can Frank Lobato was holding for a weapon and shot him Sunday after he moved suddenly.

Lobato, 63, was an invalid who needed crutches to move around and until last week had been living in a homeless shelter, relatives said.

<more>

http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/news/3527452/detail.html

[Romulus]

6. Denver LEO's- 3; Denver Citizens-forfeit

"Police have been working to reform the department since a developmentally disabled teenager, Paul Childs, was killed by police last summer. Hickenlooper appointed a 38-member panel that last month made recommendations that included when force should be used. The city has agreed to pay $1.3 million to his family.

In September 1999, Mexican immigrant Ismael Mena was shot during a drug raid at the wrong house. The city paid the Mena family $400,000."

[CO Liberal]

7. Still No Justification for CCW, IMHO

[Jack_DeLeon]

58. What isnt justification?

Are you saying that the cops killing an innocent man isnt justification for concealed carry?

If so then I agree by virtue of the fact that, saying that makes no sense what so ever.

I do however think there are plenty of things that justify concealed carry starting with the 2nd amendment.

[FeebMaster]

12. What's this?

Senseless cop bashing from the gun control crowd?


I posted this in yesterday's GITN.

[TX-RAT]

17. Not senseless to bash bad cops.

Some get through in spite of all the training and supervision. Thats what worries me about CCWs, and the total lack of training.

[FeebMaster]

21. Bad cop?

Obviously this shooting was justified and I predict this officer won't have to worry about criminal charges or any other repercussions for that matter. Let's face the facts here. The man killed had a criminal record. He had a potentially lethal soda can. He was in bed, being an invalid and all, and could have easily been concealing an arsenal beneath a blanket. It's cut and dry.

[TX-RAT]

23. Since you put it that way Feeb, your probably right.

[Dayton]

30. Just a Question

"...why are you apparently defending the actions of people like David Koresh and Randy Weaver and condemning the ATF on a progressive Democratic web site?"

Why are you condemming the actions of uniformed police, who, I might add, work at risk to their own lives every day, on a progressive Democratic web site?

[CO Liberal]

32. Just An Answer

I am not condemning the actions of the police - simply noting that this is the third time in recent history they have shot an unarmed civilian.

(Edited to correct a mis-statement - the three shootings did not happen this year; they happenned between 1999 and today.)

[Dayton]

36. Just wondering

One of your previous posts alluded to the fact that questioning a government agency on a pro Democratic web site was not proper.

[MrBenchley]

46. Funny...

the posts I saw from CO Liberal wondered why there were "enthusiasts" on a progressive website trying to defend white supremacist thugs and suicidal cult members using tired right wing talking points...

It's still a damn good question.

[Jack_DeLeon]

59. Cops are human too...

as such many of them are just as fucked up as the rest of the population.

Why are you condemming the actions of uniformed police, who, I might add, work at risk to their own lives every day, on a progressive Democratic web site?

When police fuck up the individuals in question deserve to be condemned.

[TX-RAT]

33. Held against her will and assaulted for 17 hrs

Police had to do a forced entry. Had Mr Martinez just opened the door this probably wouldn't have happen.

[CO Liberal]

4. 2 Teens Killed In Drive-By Shooting (KS)

I know, I know...if they had had a gun, they would have been able to defend themselves. Bullshit. - Wayne

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2 Teens Killed In Drive-By Shooting

Police Search For Gunmen

POSTED: 6:56 am CDT July 13, 2004
UPDATED: 10:13 am CDT July 13, 2004

KANSAS CITY, Kan. -- Police are looking for three men in connection with a double murder at North 11th Street and Quindaro Tuesday morning.

Investigators said that two teenagers were walking down the street when a silver or light colored 1999 or 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible drove by and opened fire on them.

Garmario Ross, 19, and Antonio Moore, 16, were killed.

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http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/3523551/detail.html

[CO Liberal]

5. Police fear gunman randomly shooting New Haven residents

The "law-abiding gun owners" strike again!!! - Wayne

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Police fear gunman randomly shooting New Haven residents

NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP) — A series of seemingly random shootings over two days turned out to have a single, disturbing connection: All five victims were shot with the same gun.

Two victims were shot early Sunday on the north side of the city; three others were shot Monday morning within 15 minutes and several blocks of each other. The victims of Monday's shootings remained hospitalized Tuesday.

Regina Brown, who lives on the south side of the city where the Monday shootings took place, says she is afraid to leave the house.

"I stay behind this door," Brown said, smoking a cigarette through her screen and watching the street. "I don't want to know what's going on around here."

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-07-13-conn-gunman_x.htm

[MrBenchley]

8. Homicide suspect arrested (PA)

"This month, Vincent Newby walked into three Maryland hospitals telling doctors various stories about the pain in his head.
But he didn't mention the gunshot wound there, or how he got it.
The 40-year-old came clean Tuesday morning after police arrested him on a criminal homicide charge at a northeast Baltimore hospital. York City Police allege Newby was in an exchange of gunfire July 4 that wounded him and left another man dead.
On Tuesday, physicians treated a swollen wound over Newby's right temple where police said a bullet entered his skull near his hairline, drifted through a membrane that separates the bone from the brain, then exited out the back of his head."

http://ydr.com/story/main/33055/

[Pert_UK]

9. Home improvement project lands man in court (Ca?)

"A Charlottetown man who substituted a rifle for a nail gun will not be allowed to own or possess firearms for five years.

Michael Robert Porter decided a sawed-off .22-calibre rifle could help him with a bit of home improvement. On July 5, he took his gun and some nails outside his Rochford Street residence and started securing a screen over a window...

Officers seized five firearms which they said were stored unsafely. Two of the firearms were antiques, they will be turned over to the Army Museum in Charlottetown.

Porter volunteered not to have firearms in his home."

From:

http://pei.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=pe_gun20040714

Another responsible gun enthusiast? Perhaps it might be nice to be able to prove that people like this aren't common, but as nobody has any idea who owns which guns it's impossible to check whether weapons are being stored safely or not.

[CO Liberal]

11. Like the Pro-Gunners Say....

..."A gun is simply a tool, just like a hammer."

I guess this guy took that argument literally.....

:-)

[Pert_UK]

57. I believe that it was the guy himself who was the tool.....

in this instance!

:-)

P.

[Pert_UK]

10. Man who shot himself in testicles is jailed (UK)

"A 28-year-old man who shot himself in the testicles with a sawn-off shotgun has been jailed for five years for possessing a prohibited firearm.

David Walker had drunk 15 pints of lager when he accidentally discharged the gun which was stuffed down his trousers, Sheffield Crown Court was told...

Andrew Hatton, prosecuting, said Walker went home for the gun after arguing with a friend about whose turn it was to buy beer. By the time he returned the bar was closed and his friend had gone home.

Mr Hatton said: "As he was returning to the area of the pub the gun went off. He had it shoved down his trousers. After the shotgun had discharged he placed it in a rubbish bin and crawled back to his home address." "

From:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/13/ushot.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/07/13/ixportaltop.html

IIRC 5 years is the MINIMUM term allowed for possessing a prohibited firearm in the UK.

OUCH!

[FatSlob]

13. Clyde Faces Gun Fight (Ohio Lawsuit article)

http://www.thenews-messenger.com/news/stories/20040714/localnews/844165.html

Clyde faces gun fight
Group threatens suit if city doesn't rescind weapons ban in parks

By JACK BUEHRER
Staff writer

CLYDE -- City officials continue to receive outside pressure to rescind an ordinance enacted by city council last month banning weapons from city parks.

The most recent threat has come from Ohioans for Concealed Carry, a Second Amendment advocacy group, which, in a letter received by the city last Friday, advised administrators to repeal the ordinance or be prepared to go to court.

"We will be suing Clyde if you do not immediately rescind this ordinance," the letter said. "The mere presence of your ordinance is actionable ... Clyde should consider this opportunity the last clear chance to avoid litigation."

Clyde is one of several communities statewide that has passed such an ordinance on the heels of the Ohio's concealed-carry law going into effect April 8. All of those communities have received letters similar to the one sent to Clyde and, thus far, have taken heed to the group's threats.

*********More at the link above*************


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[MrBenchley]

14. Koresh forbid

that people at a park be spared armed neurotics parading around....

[FatSlob]

16. Do you have anything to add to the conversation?

Are you claiming that I am a neurotic? I plan on visiting those parks, armed. Also, neurotics are barred from obtaining a CHL by law. Therefore, your statement is utterly false and full of shit. Try again.

[MrBenchley]

18. Gee, fat slob....

Sounds like I hit the mark first time....

[FatSlob]

20. It appears that you lack

the testicular fortitude to call me a neurotic outright. I expected no better from the likes of you. After all, you are the one who makes the insane inference that Civil Libertarians who suppport gun rights are Klansmen. So sad.

[MrBenchley]

22. Gee, and yet I can go to MY local park

without packing heat....

"you are the one who makes the insane inference that Civil Libertarians who suppport gun rights are Klansmen"
No, I just point out what dishonest right wing pieces of shit the scum in the Libertarian Party are....and point out that the Klan does indeed spout this bogus "gun rights" horseshit at the top of their lungs...as does just about evrery other racist fuckwit that can be found.

[FatSlob]

25. Obviously you are unfamiliar with the term "civil libertarian"

Look it up. Civil Libertarians support *gasp* CIVIL LIBERTIES. Nothing was mentioned of the Libertarian Party. DUH! Way to go!

"Fuckwit" Did you think of that all by yourself? Congratulations. I'm impressed with your command of the language. You forget that your precious "gun-control" has racist roots. Concealed carry was originally banned here in Ohio to keep guns out of the hands of blacks, Mexicans, Chinese, and "other undesirables".

[MrBenchley]

26. Jinkies, fat slob, what do REAL civil libertarians think

of this "gun rights" horseshit, I wonder....

"We believe that the constitutional right to bear arms is primarily a collective one, intended mainly to protect the right of the states to maintain militias to assure their own freedom and security against the central government. In today's world, that idea is somewhat anachronistic and in any case would require weapons much more powerful than handguns or hunting rifles. The ACLU therefore believes that the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals to own guns or other weapons nor does it prohibit reasonable regulation of gun ownership, such as licensing and registration. "

Look it up yourself....

http://archive.aclu.org/library/aaguns.html

"You forget that your precious "gun-control" has racist roots."
No, we hear "enthusiasts" tell that lie all the time around here. But the FACT remains that EVERY racist around today is spouting this bogus "gun rights" horseshit...and not really fooling much of anyone with it.

[RoeBear]

28. Ya know what?

That's a pretty namby pamby statement that the ACLU put out.


"it's primarily a collective one"

"intended mainly to protect the right of the states to protect the right of the states"

"In today's world, that idea is somewhat anachronistic"

"does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals"


Almost sounds like they are trying to leave themselves some wiggle room, huh?

[MrBenchley]

29. Tee hee hee....

[RoeBear]

34. Impressive rebuttal!

[MrBenchley]

35. What was there to rebut?

You made a silly statement and I laughed out loud at it...

Unless you were REALLY trying to imply that you thought the ACLU was looking for "wiggle room"....jeepers, that would be pathetic even more hilarious...

[RoeBear]

38. So why do you think they chose...

...these modifying words?

primarily

mainly

somewhat

And if they say that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow

"an unlimited right upon individuals"

they must be inferring that it allows some rights to individuals, right?

[MrBenchley]

40. Gee, you mean you really DID think that?

How {s}pathetic hilarious.

"The question therefore is not whether to restrict arms ownership, but how much to restrict it. If that is a question left open by the Constitution, then it is a question for Congress to decide.

ACLU POLICY
"The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court's long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment that the individual's right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms." --Policy #47

[RoeBear]

41. I'm sorry I asked you to....

...think, didn't I?

[MrBenchley]

43. I'm not sorry you tried to...

thanks for the laugh...

[MrBenchley]

15. Iowa City Shooting

Another glorious celebration of "freedom"

"The man who fired a shotgun in a late night shooting in Iowa City is still on the run. Police received the call at 10:29 last night. A male employee at the Adult Marketplace at 440 Kirkwood Avenue dialed 9-1-1, that after he was shot in attempted robbery.
Area Ambulance responded to the call as well as police. The victim was transported to the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics, at this time no condition is available, but we do know that he is not dead. "

http://www.kcrg.com/article.aspx?art_id=85550&cat_id=123

[MrBenchley]

19. Robbery suspect in police custody (OK)

"A 49-year-old man who used a handgun to rob a local convenience store Monday surrendered to law enforcement officers after a Carter County Deputy fired shots into his vehicle on Sam Noble Parkway following a pursuit.
The man, who has been identified as Roy Bales, was driving a stolen vehicle and is wanted on warrants for armed robbery in Florida.
Bales was transported to the Carter County Detention Center where he now faces charges of possession of a stolen vehicle, armed robbery, assault and battery with a deadly weapon (a motor vehicle) and attempting to elude as well as two counts of armed robbery in Florida."

http://ardmoreite.com/stories/071404/loc_0714040029.shtml

[MrBenchley]

24. Police: Kids Argue, Parent Pulls Out Gun (OH)

Jeeze, what could possibly go wrong with gun toting loonies in a park in Ohio, I wonder?

"DAYTON, Ohio -- Dayton police said some people started fighting at a local park and then one of the parents involved pulled out a gun. The incident happened at Belmont Park Tuesday night."

http://www.whiotv.com/news/3527467/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

27. To quote the NRA's favortite pResident: Lucky me, I hit the trifecta

A park in Ohio, a gun, and a racist...

"A Dayton dad is in jail Wednesday accused of pointing a gun at a group of teens that may have been fighting with his son. The incident happened behind the Lohrey Center in Belmont Park on Tuesday night.
Investigators said the man's 17-year-old son was involved in a fight earlier in the evening, and a short time later, authorities said the teen's father returned with him to the park and allegedly brought a gun.
According to police reports, Gerry Allen, 44, approached a group of six to 10 teens near a picnic shelter, pointed a gun at them, made racial slurs and even claimed to be a police officer. Officers said the teens then ran to a nearby house for help."

http://www.whiotv.com/news/3528286/detail.html

[RoeBear]

39. I understand why you...

...try to tie together guns and racists, what does a park in Ohio have to do with anything?

[MrBenchley]

44. What a mystery!

If only there was a thread in this forum, with news stories and comments on it....then you could read what had gone before and even jump into the discussion...

Too bad Nancy Drew retired....she could have solved that for you...

[RoeBear]

45. See below

[MrBenchley]

47. So I guess that means either it's no longer a mystery

or even you found your own post tedious...

[Romulus]

49. *yawn*

Wonder why the news report didn't say anything about this guy's CCW.

Oh, wait -if he had one that would be public record in Ohio, so I guess lack of reporting means he didn't have one. Sooo . . . we have a lawbreaker arrested for breaking the law against firearms in public. Glad to see how the CCW law "contributed" to this. :eyes:

[CO Liberal]

50. From The Article

Underlining emphasis mine.

The incident happened behind the Lohrey Center in Belmont Park on Tuesday night.

Investigators said the man's 17-year-old son was involved in a fight earlier in the evening, and a short time later, authorities said the teen's father returned with him to the park and allegedly brought a gun.

According to police reports, Gerry Allen, 44, approached a group of six to 10 teens near a picnic shelter, pointed a gun at them, made racial slurs and even claimed to be a police officer.

Okay?????

[MrBenchley]

51. Report: Koo Kim Obsessed With Porn, Guns, Violence (OR)

"CORVALLIS, Ore. -- An accused underwear thief who has been named a person of interest in the disappearance of 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger once alarmed his college classmates by telling them that he could kill at will because he was "one of Christ's angels."
Wilberger, a Veneta, Ore., resident who was attending Brigham Young University in Utah, disappeared May 24 from a Corvallis, Ore., apartment complex near Oregon State University.
At the Tigard home he shares with his parents, investigators found more than 3,400 pairs of panties and bras (pictured below), many labeled with names, dates and places. Ten pairs belonged to an Oregon State University swimmer, who lived in the apartment complex from which Wilberger disappeared.
They also found seven assault rifles, three computers collectively containing 40,000 images of women being mutilated, raped and dismembered and a disturbing word document.
The single-page document, titled "OSU.doc," describes the rape and murder of a woman, listing the items needed to carry out the torture, including a hood, mirrored sunglasses, six pairs of nylons and a bra and panty set for the victim."

http://www.koin.com/webnews/20042/20040714_wilberger.shtml

[FeebMaster]

52. Assault rifles, huh?

I'm surprised they didn't put up a picture of those. Will they be charging him for failing to pay the $200 transfer tax on each of those?

[TX-RAT]

54. I'm surprised you didn't mention the rest of the story.

16 counts of child pornography
3400 pairs bra and panties
40,000 images of mutilation and rape
A how to book on rape
thought the Columbine shooting were justified

And all you can comment on is the assault rifles.

[MrBenchley]

55. Feeb also doesn't care about the missing girl...

He's only concerned about his long firm "loved one"

[FeebMaster]

56. Well this is guns in the news.

I doubt they were actually assault rifles.

[MrBenchley]

31. Man shoots friend with BB gun (MA)

If only he'd had an assault weapon...

"LEOMINSTER -- A Legate Hill Road resident admitted to shooting his friend with a BB gun in the leg after the friend made a "wife joke" Sunday afternoon, police said.
Police charged Herve J. Picard, 31, of 65 Legate Hill Road, with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and he was let go on personal recognizance in Leominster District Court Monday."

http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/Stories/0,1413,106~4994~2271631,00.html

[MrBenchley]

37. Suspect in Custody for Lunchtime Shooting (PA)

"Pittsburgh (KDKA) One man is in custody following a lunch hour shooting on a crowded downtown Pittsburgh street yesterday; and officials say they expect to make more arrests in the case.
Early this morning, police arrested Arabo Allen, 22, of the Hill District for the shooting in front of Mister G's clothing store on Fifth Avenue.
According to authorities, Allen is the gunman who fired shots on the crowded street -- hitting Marquell Coleman, 24, of Duquesne, in the leg.
Witnesses say four or five men were arguing before the shooting; afterwards, they say the shooter ran down Fifth Avenue and onto Liberty Avenue while another armed man chased him."

http://kdka.com/local/local_story_196135639.html

[MrBenchley]

42. Soldier shot by brother trying to kill rattlesnake (FL)

"Deputies say the men were working in the backyard of the home at 12151 Duval Boulevard in the Gulf Cove area when they heard the snake.
James reportedly went into the house to get a .22 caliber handgun to kill the snake, which had coiled at Michael's feet.
Deputies say James aimed for the snake's head, but missed and shot Michael in the right ankle. He was taken to Fawcett Memorial Hospital in Port Charlotte.
Investigators say the snake got away."

http://www.abc-7.com/articles/readnews.asp?articleid=1134&z=2&p=

.

[MrBenchley]

48. Mosul governor shot dead (Iraq)

Guess this is the sort of society our "pro gun democrats" are hoping to bring about here...

"THE governor of Mosul and two of his bodyguards were gunned down by four attackers last night while travelling from the northern Iraqi city to Baghdad, a spokesman for the governorate said.
In an exchange of fire after the convoy escorting Ussama Kachmula was ambushed, the four assailants were also shot dead, Hazem Jalawi said."

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10142626%255E1702,00.html

[MrBenchley]

53. Cleveland Co. Teen Charged With Murder (NC)

"SHELBY, N.C. -- Sheriff's deputies in Cleveland County made an arrest after a shooting Wednesday on Cotie Road in Lawndale.
Deputies arrested Brandon Clark, 19, and charged him with one count of murder.
Upon arrival, deputies found 52-year-old David Hill with a single gunshot wound to the chest."

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/3529455/detail.html