GUNS IN THE NEWS--July 15, 2004

[MrBenchley]

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[MrBenchley]

1. Man shot after he allegedly fires gun (CA)

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"A 29-year-old man was shot by sheriff's deputies early Wednesday after he fired a gun at them while they were responding to a disturbance at his house north of Ventura, authorities said.
Jed Temple was shot in the leg and arm about 12:30 a.m. near his home at Norway Drive and Bounds Road, in the North Ventura Avenue area. Temple is expected to recover and face attempted murder charges. "

http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/ve/article/0,1375,VCS_251_3038519,00.html

Another one of these "law abiding responsible gun owners" we never have to worry about....

[MrBenchley]

2. CIA contractor's guns taken from girlfriend's home (NC)

"The same day a federal magistrate denied bail for a former CIA contractor accused of beating an Afghan detainee who later died federal agents searched his girlfriend's home and seized guns, cash, and computer equipment, according to search warrants.
Officers combed through the apartment of the girlfriend, Bonnie Heart, hours after she testified she collected firearms from David Passaro's home the night he was arrested.
Passaro, 37, a former Green Beret who went to Afghanistan under a contract with the CIA, was indicted June 17 on charges of assaulting an Afghan detainee during two days of interrogations in June 2003. The detainee, Abdul Wali, 28, died the next day.
Heart, a Wake Forest police detective, testified at a detention hearing June 25 that Passaro had asked her to retrieve cash hidden in his Lillington home. At the hearing, evidence and testimony suggested that Passaro had aliases, hidden assets and a possible escape plan."

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040715/APN/407150567&cachetime=5

Wonder who paid this bozo for his "work"....

[NorthernSpy]

10. I'll tell you who...

Wonder who paid this bozo for his "work"....

Why, the very same people who'd have ALL the guns if we lived under British-style gun control.

The fact of civilian gun ownership is not by itself enough to keep oppressive governments from rising -- granted. But does anyone really think that the state would treat us better -- respect us and our rights more -- if we were disarmed?


Mary

[MrBenchley]

12. In other words...the NRA's favorite president ever....

"But does anyone really think that the state would treat us better -- respect us and our rights more -- if we were disarmed?"
Does everybody on the RKBA side have this peculiar "I need my popgun for the glorious revolution" fantasy?

[NorthernSpy]

23. by what alchemy...

... did you derive "glorious revolution" from anything I said in my post?


Mary

[MrBenchley]

26. Dross into gold....

"civilian gun ownership is not by itself enough to keep oppressive governments from rising "....

Hell, there's never been a more oppressive government here (even during the Harding days)...and what sort of dishonest piffle is the chief oppressor peddling?

[library_max]

15. Yeah, just look at that those fascist states

of Great Britain and Australia!

/sarcasm off/

[MrBenchley]

17. Is it just me...

or have there been a whole bunch more of these "we gotta shoot somebody" lately? Both oblique ones and outright ones?

[FeebMaster]

18. It's just you. (nt)

[library_max]

22. Yeah. Makes ya wonder who rang the dinner bell, eh? /nt

[NorthernSpy]

25. I object to your implication...

... that I said that anything amounting to "we gotta shoot somebody", whether obliquely or outright.


Mary

[NorthernSpy]

24. but I wasn't talking about the gov'ts of Britain or Australia

I was talking about the government of the United States, and how its treatment of us might change if we Americans were disarmed.


Mary

[library_max]

27. Maybe it would have been better, then,

if you hadn't referred to "British-style gun control."

But in any case, my point was/is that two countries very much like the US in a lot of ways have strict gun controls, "British-style" gun controls in fact, and they are not fascist states. Less fascist than the gun-happy US, at this point in time.

[MrBenchley]

3. One killed, one injured in pool hall shooting (TX)

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"HPD homicide detectives are investigating a double shooting in northwest Houston that left one person dead and another in critical condition.
Shots rang out early Thursday morning at the Perfect Rack Pool Hall and Bar near Mangum and Dacoma. The shooting happened outside the business which is located in a shopping strip.
The parking lot in front of the club was littered with shell casings and now the investigators' orange cones mark their location. "

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou040715_jt_doubleshooting.2fddbfcff.html

Hey, maybe the glorious revolution against the Republican oppressors has begun...naw, it's just the usual shitheads with guns...

[Romulus]

4. Shooting victim may have been a burglar (MD)

I just came across this random story while surfin the web -gee, no mention of this in the WashPost :eyes:

(edited to update story to today's version)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/annearundel/bal-ar.shooting15jul15,0,3081686.story?coll=bal-local-arundel

The victim of a shooting Tuesday afternoon in Crofton apparently was shot multiple times after he was caught burglarizing a home by one of its occupants, Anne Arundel County police said yesterday.

Police had not released the name of the victim, whom they described as a 40-year-old white male. He was taken to Maryland Shock Trauma Center and was in serious but stable condition yesterday morning, police said in a news release. An updated condition was unavailable yesterday evening.

Police said the man was suspected in several other burglaries in the immediate area but that he had not been charged.

*snip/more*

[iverglas]

7. do keep us updated

At the conclusion of the investigation, the state's attorney's office will determine if the shootings were justified, police said in a news release.

Would that be "justified" as in "committed in self-defence", or does this state allow people inside other people's homes to be shot on sight?

Police said the man was suspected in several other burglaries in the immediate area but that he had not been charged.

Gosh, and nobody'd been killed or even hurt in the process, either, it seems.

So, was it justified assault (still possibly homicide, given the condition of the person shot), or attempted extra-judicial execution?

I'll be staying tuned.

[MrBenchley]

5. Guns Worn In Open Legal, But Alarm Va.

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Imagine that...ordinary citizens don't feel safer when imbeciles tote guns around....

"On July 2, Fairfax County police received a 911 call from a Champps restaurant in Reston. Six men are seated at a table, the caller said. They're all armed.
Dispatchers quickly sent four officers to the scene. The officers were "extremely polite" and were hoping that some of the men were in law enforcement, said Sgt. Richard Perez, a spokesman for the police department. None was.
The men told the officers "they were just exercising their rights as citizens of the commonwealth," Perez said.
"This just shows you the extreme nature of what they're trying to do," said Bob Ricker, head of Virginians for Public Safety. "You don't want to go to Starbucks or Reston Town Center and see somebody with a firearm strapped on," he added, referring to two locations where armed patrons were found. "It's just something that I think is completely unreasonable. We all understand the concept of self-defense. . . . But when you're talking about Fairfax County, you have to look at what is reasonable." "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50416-2004Jul14.html

[Romulus]

9. further reading

""Crime is at 20-year lows in the county," Lt. Col. Charles K. Peters pointed out, even though the population is soaring. The county's homicide rate was the lowest in the nation last year among the 30 largest jurisdictions. "

Gee, I thought more guns automatically meant more crime & more deaths . . . .

[library_max]

16. Not when the population is aging. Young folks commit most crimes.

[MrBenchley]

19. Of course...

when criminals discover they can actually case businesses in Virginia with their guns out in the open....."Who, me? Why I'm just a law abiding cxitizen exercising my rights..."

Sure glad I don't own a liquor store in the Old Dominion....

[MrBenchley]

6. Two Injured In Morning Shooting (NC)

Another glorious celebration of freedom...

"CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Two people were taken to a hospital after a double shooting in north Charlotte.
It happened just after 1 a.m. Thursday at the Tryon Hills Apartments on North Pine Street."

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/3531756/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

8. Witness differs on details of killing (TN)

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"A man charged in the robbery-murder of a pizza deliveryman two years ago said he had to shoot because a partner mentioned his name during the robbery, a prosecution witness testified Wednesday.
The testimony of Eronia Neal, who was then 14, conflicted, however, in several details with the statement he gave police after his arrest in the robbery and murder of John Stambaugh.
Defendant Louie Holloway, 23, is charged with first-degree felony murder while Neal is charged with a lesser offense similar to aiding and abetting.
The case against Holloway is expected to go to the Criminal Court jury today. He faces life in prison if convicted as charged.
Neal and a third defendant, John Rolando Green, 21, who also is charged with felony murder, are awaiting trial. "

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_3037576,00.html

Guess gun owners trying to hide their real names isn't just confined to bogus websites...

[MrBenchley]

11. Cop describes bloody slaying (PA)

"NANTICOKE - Homicide suspect Wayne Adams "emptied the clip" of six or seven bullets from an assault rifle into Adam Martin, sending him to the ground, a trooper testified.
But Adams, 25, noticed Martin's chest was still moving as he gasped for air.
Then, Adams loaded a 12-gauge shotgun with a single shell and fired one last shot into his longtime friend from about 3 to 5 feet away, state police Cpl. Leo Hannon testified Wednesday.
The corporal said Adams told him about the June 19 killing hours after the body of 46-year-old Martin was found at the bottom of an embankment in a wooded area of Newport Township."

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/9155313.htm

[MrBenchley]

13. YPD Investigating Late Night Shooting (OH)

"(7/14/04) 16-year-old Eric Martinez was found lying in the driveway of a home on Josephine, with a bullet wound to the head, just before midnight.
Police discovered the body, with a gun lying next to it, after neighbors called, reporting multiple gun shots in the area.
A short time later, police also got a call about another shooting victim at St. E's.
22-year old Dewayalyn Colvin was dropped off at the hospital with five gunshot wounds. He's in stable condition. "

http://www.wkbn.com/Global/story.asp?S=2040700

[MrBenchley]

14. 12-year-old arrested for having gun (NY)

"A 12-year-old was arrested for having a gun in his possession.
Albany police said the boy claimed he found the gun in a lot across the street from the Livingston Food Market.
The boy is on probation for previous assault and weapons possession charges.
Police searched a Second Street residence and found a loaded .357 handgun in the mother's closet, wrapped in a sweatshirt. The boy told police he found it on Saturday, and that he hadn't used it. "

http://www.capitalnews9.com/content/your_news/capital_region/default.asp?ArID=84239

Hey gang! What extremist right wing bunch of loonies publishes a gun magazine for kids?

[RamboLiberal]

20. "Horrific agony" in Pierce County killings

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001980054_burn15m.html

"He did this on purpose," the young woman — lungs scorched and skin charred — screamed in her final hours of life yesterday. "He poured gas on me and my babies."

A day earlier, Antigone "Mona" Allen had decided to give her estranged boyfriend, Genaro Remigio Garcia, one more chance. She'd left him a month before, tired of the bruises and his controlling ways.

So when he pulled up at her mother's house in Parkland, Pierce County, late Tuesday night, 18-year-old Allen packed their three sleeping children in the back of his Lincoln Town Car, expecting to go home.

<snip>

She awoke to see him snorting coke, something she'd never seen him do before. He pulled a .45-caliber pistol and pointed it at her head. He grabbed the gas can and splashed himself, Allen and their children — Christine, 2 ½, Kristian, 18 months, and Adam, 6 months — and flicked a lighter.

The car burst into flames, careened off the road and flipped over in a dark pasture. The children, trapped inside, died at the crash scene. Allen staggered from the wreckage, engulfed in flames. Garcia followed, also on fire, and began shooting at her as she screamed and ran across a field. Garcia walked and fired until the gun jammed and fell from his incinerated hands, according to police. He collapsed, and arrived dead at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle.

[FeebMaster]

21. If only he hadn't had a gun

such a horrible crime wouldn't have been possible.