A Slight Variation on the Generic Gungeon Assault Weapon Thread.

[OpSomBlood]

I'd like to direct this one to those here who are fully in favor of extending the current "assault weapon" ban.

Assuming complete renewal...that is, no semi-automatic (one shot per trigger pull) weapon may have more than one of the following features:

- Pistol grip
- Bayonet lug
- Collapsible or folding stock
- Grenade launcher
- Threaded barrel
- Flash suppressor

In your opinion, what would be the next step in attaining "gun control"? What federal gun law would you pass next?

Please be as specific as possible and explain why you feel such a law would be effective.

[FeebMaster]

1. I would change the

minimum barrel length for rifles from 16" back to the 18" it was originally. I'd give a two month amnesty where anyone could register their now short barreled rifles for free. No one needs a 16" barrel. They're too easily concealable or something.

[Wild Bill]

11. easily concealable?

You still have a law in regards to overall length. 26 inch minimum overall length. Only a Shaq size person could hide a 26 Inch rifle on their person.

[FeebMaster]

14. LALALALALA

I can't hear you. </gun grabber>

Well if I were a gun grabber that's the law I'd pass. Fortunately all the real gun grabbers seem to care about are flash suppressors and bayonet lugs.

Just think, if they passed my law, how many hundreds of thousands of rifles would have to be registered? Hell it might be in the millions. There's always some gun grabber down here pissing and moaning about "why shouldn't guns be registered?" Well, here's their chance.

Hmm. Probably would crash ATF's computer system, better include a funding increase for them so they can upgrade their computers.

[Zynx]

17. I like my Model 1894 .44 mag carbine.

16 inch rifle shooting big bore pistol ammo. Great for wild boar.

[FeebMaster]

19. Soon to be a short barreled rifle

if any of the gun grabber groups hire me as an adviser. No legitimate civilian purpose and all of that. Better register it during the amnesty or you'll have to pay a $200 tax assuming we even allow people to legally register them after the amnesty. Clearly that rifle was manufactured before the law was passed. If you choose not to take advantage of the amnesty, why should we allow you to register it afterward.

[Mr.Green93]

2. "cop killer" bullet ban

any rifle or handgun cartridge that can pierce a "bullet proof" vest.

[FeebMaster]

3. What kind of bullet proof vest?

That is to say, a bullet proof vest of what rating?

[Zynx]

18. Doesn't matter what rating.

Any centerfire rifle hunting ammunition will rip right through even heavy police body armor. If the KE dump doesn't kill or cripple the wearer anyway. Kevlar vests simply can't stop rifle ammunition.

Kennedy was either being an idiot (possible) or was deliberately trying to poison-pill that gun maker immunity bill.
~

And whoever said that longer barrel=less velocity, that's just dead wrong. Up to any practical rifle barrel length, it *increases* velocity due to the greater amount of gas (powder burn) that is captured in propelling the bullet down the gun rather than just blasted out into the air at the end of a short barrel.

There's a reason my Model 1894 Winchester .44 mag is a great deal deadlier than any .44 mag pistol.

[FeebMaster]

21. Well he was talking about rifle and pistol ammo.

.44 magnum is probably out of luck either way since it wouldn't be fair to test it out of a pistol when there are rifles available that fire the same round.

[OpSomBlood]

4. Most hunting ammunition can penetrate standard police body armor.

Would your proposed "vest buster" law also apply to hunting calibers that existed long before Kevlar did?

[Mr.Green93]

8. Senator Kennedy proposed this ban

the Kennedy Amendment to S.1805

[mbnd45]

5. Speaking of body armor,

After banning "cop killer" bullets, we should ban body armor sales to civilians, because cops are the only people in danger of being shot. Besides, body armor in the hands of civilians will only lead to an arms race. And hollow point ammunition should also be banned, because we all know how effective they are against body armor.

[OpSomBlood]

6. Let's keep the sarcasm to a minimum.

With all the hubbub the anti-gun people like to give the "assault weapon" ban, I really want to know what type of legislation they'd like to see passed next.

[Columbia]

7. Easy

Just make it so you can't have any of the features listed above at all for semi-autos with detachable mags (California styple). After that, prohibit detachable mags completely. Tax each round of ammo a quarter each. Ban reloading supplies and equipment. Then stop further civilian sales and transfers for weapons with no grandfather clause. Once every civilian gun owner dies... voila, no more guns (legally anyway).

Edit to add:

Really, the trick is to make owning a gun so cumbersome and complex as to discourage and vilify gun ownership to the point that it is reduced to a level small enough to easily marginalize away.

[TX-RAT]

9. Several

Minimum barrel length of 20".( due to conceal ability and velocity lose.)
Fixed magazine capacity of 4 rounds.( Never needed more than that.)
Caliber restrictions, on rifles. ( eliminates the 7.62- 39, a very weak and inefficient round.)

To be honest, i would eliminate all center fire, semi-autos. I've carried revolvers for years and never felt under gunned.

The other day i had coffee with the Chief of Police. He had just looked at some stats comparing shots fired, in officer involved shootings.
Revolvers- 2.7 rounds per incident
Autos - 8. rounds per incident

[FeebMaster]

15. Hey you're not bad at this.

"Minimum barrel length of 20".( due to conceal ability and velocity lose.)"

I was going to start by raising minimum barrel length to 18" first and raise it to 20" later. Probably less resistance if you go 2" at a time. Why offer velocity loss as a reason though? Less velocity means less deadly. If you want the brainless masses to follow you you probably shouldn't point that out. Stick to the concealability part, even though just between us we know it's bullshit too. ;)


Fixed magazine capacity of 4 rounds.( Never needed more than that.)

That'd be a real kicker. You might have to save that one for later though or flesh it out a bit since there's going to be some serious resistance to that one. Hell you can buy bolt actions with removable magazines with a 5 or more round capacity.

"Caliber restrictions, on rifles. ( eliminates the 7.62- 39, a very weak and inefficient round.)"

No. No. No. Don't call it a very weak and inefficient round. No one is going to want to ban weak and inefficient rounds. Call it armor piercing or military-style or something. Point out how it will go through both sides of a "bullet proof" vest, just don't go to mentioning what rating vest or anything like that.



"The other day i had coffee with the Chief of Police. He had just looked at some stats comparing shots fired, in officer involved shootings.
Revolvers- 2.7 rounds per incident
Autos - 8. rounds per incident"

Yes, the police can't shoot. It's been mentioned.

[CO Liberal]

10. The Way I Figure It....

...if so many pro-gunners are opposed to the current AWB law, it must be pretty good. So it should remain as is.

[RoeBear]

27. Cogent arguement...

...not.

[Dolomite]

12. Any of these would be the next logical step:

(ETA: Be advised - I'm against the AWB renewal FWIW)


1) requiring that magazines over 10 rounds be serialized and eventually registered

2) or, like CA did with the SKS model that could take AK mags, require that these so-called Assault Weapons be registered with the ATF (give "them" 1 year to register their firearms, call it amnesty if you want, tell "them" that you're not really going to take away their guns - that this database is for the children, etc...)

3) require a special permit (after receiving of course a lengthy Fed background check and written approval of the local Sheriff or Chief of Po-po) for civilians to purchase "Military & Police" caliber ammunition - this would start with the 5.56 (.223 Remington) and the 7.62x51(.308 Winchester) - and then eventually include all pistol cartridges including (you guessed it) the .22LR

[slackmaster]

Dupe

sTUTTER-cLICKED.

[slackmaster]

13. The SKS seizure in CA has never materialized

Because people who registered them have correspondence from the DoJ verifying that they are in compliance with the law, the state would have an evidenciary problem (entrapment???) if it actually went through with a systematic confiscation.

Most people never bothered to register them anyway. I believe a large number of those rifles are quietly gathering dust in closets and attics.

[Township75]

16. This is just what I expected when you posted this question.

The regular anti gunners wouldn't respond to the question.

If they can't answer with racist, blood money, NRA or some other recycled term, they won't bother. Tells me they don't have any proposed answers.

[Wickerman]

20. I just want existing laws enforced

No need to create new ones when so few of the old are enforced.

Did I get that right?

Then, later, I'll make sure and complain that there are currently too many laws on the books.

[FeebMaster]

22. Are the current laws not enforced? (nt)

[Wickerman]

23. A post I have read many times in the Gungeon

We don't need anymore gun laws - they need to enforce the ones we have. I doubt you get the NRA talking points memos, Feeb.

[FeebMaster]

24. Well I just have to pretend I don't.

"I doubt you get the NRA talking points memos, Feeb."

Everyone knows the NRA is paying me to post on DU and spread my lies about the AWB having nothing to do with machine guns.

I suspect they're referring to the hundreds of thousands (is it millions yet?) of people who have been denied by NICS and never been prosecuted for being a convicted felon trying to buy a gun. That is, if I had to take a guess.

[Wickerman]

25. Hmm, wonder if that is why

gun deaths are decreasing? All those folks who locally are denied purchases?

But, actually, I don't think that is the point others have made - I believe said point is a straw man to throw blame back on law enforcement and those damn activist liberal judges rather than accept that not every individual is safe with a gun.

Damn, I misjudged you - all this time I thought you were a gunless gunhugger, simply doing the hard work of changing minds and charming hearts out of the goodness deep down in your soul. Guess now I know where all those NRA dues go - Feeb gets his share to be a on-line "grass-rooter".

[FeebMaster]

26. The real truth

is that I own more machine guns than Dick Cheney. I pay for my habit with the proceeds I get from the NRA from pretending to be a tireless defender of gun rights who doesn't actually own guns. It's a surprisingly lucrative job. You didn't think all those NRA dues went to lining Republican Congressmen's pockets did you?

I expect most people who are denied purchase shouldn't actually have been denied and later get a gun after things get sorted out. I have my doubts that there are hundreds of thousands of felons out there who are dumb enough to try and pass a background check to buy a gun that they are forbidden by law from owning.

I don't believe I've ever seen anyone on this forum make the claim that every individual is safe with a gun.

[Wickerman]

28. Well, I know I have seen the claim before

But I am certain never from one of our regular contributors - though now all of you are suspect since we know now that you are all nothing but paid NRA stooges. It was not a fair tactic to in effect paint the RKBAers with such a wide brush - I apologize.

I know locally we have a lot of folks who get denied access to weapons due to their mental health status. I would assume that comes into play in some of the accounting.

[MrSandman]

29. What do you need...

to shoot that cannot be done with a .30 caliber or smaller bullet?

Yeah, no firearms over .30 (7.62) cal.

And no military rounds--.30-06, .308, .223 Rem., 7.62x39, 12 gauge.
Join the army if you want to shoot those.

[FeebMaster]

30. Shouldn't no military rounds include pistol rounds too?

Heck you could get rid of most of the handguns in the country.

[MrSandman]

31. Later, Feeb...n/t