Lieberman calls for probe into handling of Iranian threat

[lovuian]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/660374.html

Lieberman calls for probe into handling of Iranian threat

By Yuval Azoulay

A committee of inquiry should be established to investigate the government's behavior with regard to the Iranian threat, Yisrael Beiteinu chair Avigdor Lieberman told a group of Haaretz reporters at a meeting in Tel Aviv yesterday.

"With one blow, in 2001, we would have stopped the Iranian plan to attain nuclear capability and set it back at least a decade. Then, all the Iranian nuclear facilities were concentrated in one place. Now I'm not sure such a blow would help because the situation is more complicated. It may be too late," he said.



Lieberman said that following Benjamin Netanyahu's election to the head of the Likud, the latter's first two tasks should be "to take the Likud out of the government" and "to establish a coalition of 61 MKs to allow for the reorganization of his party."

The Likud campaign had been more of a battle between the Likud membership and the central committee than between two candidates for leadership of the party, LiebermanBeiteinu said. "With the election of Netanyahu, the members won big," he concluded.
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[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. Ahhhhh, isn't the preemptive doctrine making everyone safer by

the minute?? You're a thread, no you are, no you are, no you are, no you are, no you are, no you are.....

Threats can and should be determined by annual military spending.

[sabra]

2. "Avigdor Lieberman" , how many will think this is our beloved Joe?

[tatertop]

9. Go Lo jo goes as low as you can go

[lovuian]

11. Ya gotta to wonder if they are related???

Interesting its the same name...

[tatertop]

12. If not, I am certain jo wants to kiss him on national TV

I think jo wants to kiss and tell.

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Just goes to show...

...that some not only don't read the attached article, they don't even read past the damn title! :banghead:

[Wordie]

29. Agree that people should read more carefully, but when "Lieberman" article

is posted on DU ("Lieberman" prominently in the title with no further clarification), the assumption that it was about Sen. Lieberman is not unreasonable. Mistaken, obviously, but an all-too-easy mistake to make in this case, imho.

And was this initially posted here, in I/P, or elsewhere, and moved here by a mod? I've seen it only just now, so I'm not certain where this was initially posted. If it was elsewhere, that's even MORE reason for people to be unclear on who it was about.

The error here appears to be more a case of reading too quickly, than anything ominous on the part of these posters.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. orginally LBN

You shouldn't comment if you don't read past the title.

[Wordie]

36. Jumping to conclusions in this thread isn't limited to those who misread

it is what I'm pointing out. And I, personally, DID read past the title.

Here's why I think this mistake happened:
Our Lieberman, the Senator, has been getting frequently slammed recently in LBN, and in the wider world as well. There is DumpJoe.com and TimeToGoJoe.com, and Weiker is considering running against him in CT. I hear him called "JoeMentum" frequently here on DU; there have been a LOT of LBN posts on things he has said/done, made by DUers angry with his initial support of the Patriot Act, his frequent voting with the Republicans, as well as for his support of Bush's Iraq policy. Here's what he very recently said:

It is time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be Commander-in-Chief for three more critical years, and that in matters of war we undermine Presidential credibility at our nation's peril.

As a result of that comment and other similar issues, there are some pretty pissed off DUers, and, especially given that there has been a recent rash of LBN posts detailing Lieberman's disloyalty to the Dems, I can see how they jumped to the conclusion that they did. Again, a mistake, but so is the presumption that it is the result of "hate."

Why did the OP fail to anticipate this, and post a clarification in the title? Anyone who posts/reads frequently in LBN could have anticipated this response, imho. It would have been easy to clarify.

[Behind the Aegis]

37. Political reality

I was not saying or implying you didn't read the article. However, you are just naive or not paying attention. I, too, thought it was about Joe, but I read the inserted paragraphs on the OP and saw that it was NOT about Joe. But, some people here hate Lieberman and Israel that they have an almost Pavlovian response to either words. They don't read anything other than those two words (there are a few other words that have the same response). Don't think it is hate? Do a poll in the GD: Politics room: "Do you hate Joe Lieberman?" Don't want to do that? Just search "Lieberman" and see how many people say they hate him, not that they hate his policies.

You ask why the OP failed to anticipate the reaction. That statement would indicate that you are acknowledging that some simply see "Lieberman" and react. So, the bigger problem is not that the OP should have been clearer in the title (LBN rules say you must use the original title); no, the bigger problem is that people do not read the attached article, and in some cases, as shown in this thread, they don't even bother reading past the title, because it was very clear it was not about Joe Lieberman.

It just shows that some people really should read what they are commenting on it before actually posting.

[Wordie]

38. People also might say they hate Bush or Cheyney or Limbaugh.

And many people would also have a sort of visceral reaction to posts about those guys too. But I don't think it was that kind of hate that some people saw here. I'm just saying you can't necessarily read a lot into the visceral reaction that people are having to Joe Lieberman (who many, including myself, voted for and supported at one time, btw), because there is such a divisiveness in the country in general, and he is a divisive character because of his positions on the issues.

And LBN rules do say to use the original title, but also say you can add clarification.

Just a foolish mistake, nothing more, imho. And we've all probably wasted way too much time on this, bta, don't you think?

[Behind the Aegis]

39. Agreed about wasted enough on this.

Besides, this is WAY off-topic. We will continue to disagree about the level of visceral reactions. I still maintain, some of it is out of hate. The truly foolish mistake was not on the part of the OP, but on the posters who didn't bother to actually read the article or even the post (the first line was a dead give-away).

[Violet_Crumble]

22. Not me....

Avigdor Lieberman was the Israeli Minister of Transportation until earlier this year. Joe's just another run of the mill, not particularly left-sounding politicians that sound more Republican than Democrat....

Another way to tell the difference is to check out a few quotes from Avigdor Lieberman. I doubt Joe Lieberman's ever come out with anything as nasty as this gem:

If you ask me, Israel's number one problem...is first of all Arab citizens of the State of Israel. Those who identify as Palestinians will have to move to Palestine. Do I consider them citizens of the State of Israel? No! Do we have to settle the score with them? Yes!

Violet...

[Tarc]

3. Netanyahu?

The only difference between Netanyahu and a Hamas member is that one wears a turban. If Lieberman is allying himself with this religious thug, then he seriously needs to be bounced out of office soon.

[sabra]

5. see post #2

[eyl]

26. Netanyahu is religious?

News to me.

[ShockediSay]

4. When do we call for investigation of Lieberman's involvement

w/ AIPAC, and whether AIPAC personnel should be registered as 'agents of a foreign government.'

If they are agents of a foreign government, the LAW REQUIRES THEY BE REGISTERED AS FOREIGN AGENTS.

[sabra]

6. see post #2

[Coastie for Truth]

27. I agree

I think we should immediately listen to all phone conversations and read all e-mails of Saudi agents Lee Raymond (CEO of ExxonMobil) and Dave O'Reilly (CEO of TexacoChevron), and put those two apparent Saudi agents in Abu Ghraib.

[Lithos]

32. ROFL

L-

[applegrove]

7. Iranian PM has been internationally "baiting" jews for months.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. Israel has never done anything to bait the Islamic nations. Right.

[tatertop]

10. Good to see you. I have not seen you post in a while.

[goforit]

13. A citizen only to Israel!!!!!........This is pissing me off royally!

Way to go Lieberman....
Use our sons and daughters blood to promote YOUR agenda and
sole loyalty to Israel.

You are a traitor to this country!!!

[applegrove]

14. If war breaks out in the middle east on a grandeur scale - there will

be a draft. Think about it!

[Behind the Aegis]

15. see post #2

[IndianaGreen]

18. This is NOT Holy Joe!

This is another nut flake known only to Israelis.

[Behind the Aegis]

19. Just goes to show...

...that hate blinds. Of course, it also shows that some don't read anything more than the title.

[Wordie]

30. Oh please.

Yeah, a number of posters made an error here. But to presume that this error was made on the basis of "hate" rather than the rather reasonable assumption that a post with "Lieberman" in the title was about our own senator, is not accurate, imho.

Sen. Lieberman has been very hawkish, it has many DU posters upset, they jumped to a conclusion. That's all that happened here.

Yeah, they should have read more carefully, but to say that they "hate" is way over the top, and is itself an unwarranted assumption.

[Behind the Aegis]

33. see post #13.

[oasis]

20. Senator Lieberman?

[Colorado Blue]

23. Hello? Did you notice this is AVIGDOR LIEBERMAN? He

is not Joe Lieberman. He is an Israeli politician.

[Behind the Aegis]

24. Why should it matter?

He has the "wrong" name.

[Wordie]

31. See post #30.

[Behind the Aegis]

34. see post #4

[IndianaGreen]

17. This news story is about internal Israeli politics, specifically the Likud

Avigdor Lieberman represents a small faction in a Likud that has been decimated by mass defections to Sharon's new party, Kadima.

[eyl]

25. Actually

Lieberman left Likud some time ago; Israel Beitenu (his current party) is to the right of it.

[The Roux Comes First]

21. Isn't There a Way (and will) to Block any Post with "Lieberman" ?? n/m

[Coastie for Truth]

28. Diagnosis pending MD evaluation

:sarcasm:
:rant:
Severe narcissistic syndrome with evidence of obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Refer for evaluation.



HIPPA waived.

:sarcasm:
:rant:

I am a licensed "EMT-BASIC"