South Africa trade union: Hizbullah fighters heroic

[Phx_Dem]

The Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU) has renewed its call for a boycott of Israel during a demonstration with Muslim organizations in Cape Town in late October, the South African IOL news website reported.

COSATU is South Africa's largest trade union, with a membership of 1.8 million, and is also represented in South Africa's government,
beingone of three members of the 'tripartite alliance.' The alliance also includes the ANC ruling party, and the South African Communist Party.

According to the report, the march was attended by "militant Muslim group Qibla and COSATU," and the union's representative reiterated acall to boycott Israel. The marchers also submitted a memorandum to
the South African foreign minister, which said Israel was an "illegitimate, terrorist state, racist, expansionist and chauvinistic and has no right to exist."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3325160,00.html

[mike_c]

1. Israel is an apartheid state so it's easy to understand...

...why South African trade unionists would find that offensive.

[frylock]

3. word up

[pelsar]

6. and this you agree with?

"Asked whether COSATU had any condemnation of Hizbullah rocket attacks on northern Israel, Craven said: "I don't think so, because our view has always been that you can never equate the resistance of people under attack and the colonial power that is attacking them.

let me translate: targeting and killing israeli children in school, the sick in hospitals and just avg grandma and grandpa are "legal and moral targets"......got it!...good to know where we stand...

so amongst the fanatical theocratic regimes that hang homosexuals and stone rape victims for adultry, that want to remove israel, we can also include the unions of South Africa, amongst others.....isnt iran supporting the sudan govt in their massacres? ......my how strange the bedfellows when it comes to israel.

[pelsar]

7. and this you agree with?

"Asked whether COSATU had any condemnation of Hizbullah rocket attacks on northern Israel, Craven said: "I don't think so, because our view has always been that you can never equate the resistance of people under attack and the colonial power that is attacking them.

let me translate: targeting and killing israeli children in school, the sick in hospitals and just avg grandma and grandpa are "legal and moral targets"......got it!...good to know where we stand...

so amongst the fanatical theocratic regimes that hang homosexuals and stone rape victims for adultry, that want to remove israel, we can also include the unions of South Africa, amongst others.....isnt iran supporting the sudan govt in their massacres? ......my how strange the bedfellows when it comes to israel.

[IntiRaymi]

9. Yes, fanatical theocratic regime killing women and children, indeed.

What about 1200 lebanese civilians?

[Behind the Aegis]

23. theocratic regime?

Propaganda.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

27. Is someone confusing Israel with Iran?

:shrug:

I know they start with the same letter, but most people know which are the real theocracies in the Middle East.

[eyl]

18. here we go again n/t

[Anarcho-Socialist]

24. No it's not

Not many (if any) sociologists, political scientists and historians would agree with you.

[David__77]

2. I support COSATU and all anti-apartheid heroes!

We do know that the State of Israel was fascist South Africa's staunchest supporter, matched only by Reaganite USA. Shameful.

COSATU is a progressive organization fighting for the interests of all of South Africa's working people.

[Phx_Dem]

4. Yeah, it's a real progressive org

"Asked whether COSATU had any condemnation of Hizbullah rocket attacks on northern Israel, Craven said: "I don't think so, because our view has always been that you can never equate the resistance of people under attack and the colonial power that is attacking them."

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[IntiRaymi]

8. What he said is true.

An force attacking unarmed is not moral in the sense that a group defending it is. An attack, made out of choice, and on flimsy pretenses, is not a valid casus belli.
Using that basis, a condemnation of Hizbollah is not in order.

[pelsar]

12. so as i understand it.....killing israelis is good

from your point of view...killing israelis is a good thing.....if so just say it clearly:
as that is precisly what the south african union is saying and exactly what hizballa said they would do and tried as best they could.

[IntiRaymi]

13. Is it good to kill unarmed lebanese?

[pelsar]

14. i wasnt asking that....why is so hard to answer the question?

i shall answers yours in good time...but i see your avoiding mine..in fact let me make it more precise:

Hizballa talked about killing just the JEWISH israelis (they apologized when one of their missiles killed some arab israelis in nazrath)....I'm sure the african union meant only the JEWISH Israelis...about it being ok to kill them all (that would mean missiles on schools and hospitals as hizballa did and hamas is now doing)

and since you have written that you back them i guess that means your for killing just the Jewish israelis....its not a hard question....and there really isnt any reason you should be avoiding it, i'm just trying to clarify what you have already dec larded indirectly.

why are you so afraid to answer?

[IntiRaymi]

15. Lebanese / palestinians dying is a bigger humanitarian issue.

So I elect to focus on that instead.

[pelsar]

16. i believe its really a yes or no kind of question.....

doesnt take much band width...nor much time...infact your probably spending a lot more energy resources avoiding answering such a simple question than answering it

many post focus on palestenain dying very few answer the simple question posed by hizballa and the south african trade union that your appear to back:


promoting the killing of israeli jews because they are israeli jews (a nationality and a religion)

let me clarify...millions want me dead because i belong to the "wrong" nationality" and was born into the "wrong religion"...it doesnt really bother me as thats pretty much a primitive tribal view point, usually found on "hizballa r us" type of websites, its been going on for 2,000 years or so and it appears your just one of them.....I just find it Interesting that such a view exists on the pseusdo democratic website such as this.

so send about 500bytes of info and answer such a simple question.... (or is this one of those questions that MUST be avoided, like so many i ask here)

[pelsar]

19. just though i would kick this up stairs..

as i thought it was just getting interesting....in a "round about way" one of the posts here bascially say when translated to its meaning:


killing "JEWS is good. Now how did i get to that?...well hizballa and the south african union say its good to shoot missles at israeli cities. However Hizballa apologised when they killed some israeli arabs....so that means it for them killing israeli jews is good thing....and for the posters and others who march with hizballa i would assume that they agree.

so we have a bunch agreeing that killing israeli jews and only israeli jews is good. Hizballa has said in the past (and hamas) that they're after jews....nationality not specified....

at any rate sounds pretty racist to me...those hizballas supporters. They dont want to kill any israelis ...just the JEWISH ones...

now what do we call that?

[IntiRaymi]

20. I refuse to bow to these absurd litmus tests

My stances are based on humanitarian concerns.
That is all you need to know, and end of this discussion.

[msmcghee]

21. The "not-so-great" escape . . again.

BTW - asking you to justify an obviously racist statement (or disavow it and apologize) is hardly a "litmus test". It's called being responsible for your words.

[pelsar]

22. i noticed....you dont want to answer...

and that your "humanitarian gestures doesnt include israeli jews".

as long as you back hizballa and their missle barrages on israeli cities.....but its really ok, we've gotten used to it. i just though maybe you would like to "come clean" and at least say it clearly.

[eyl]

17. Huh?

"An attack, made out of choice, and on flimsy pretenses, is not a valid casus belli."

What is this supposed to mean? The casus belli was Hizbullah's attack - are you saying it was on "flimsy pretenses"? If so, so what? it's still a casus belli for Israel (perhaps even more so). If you're saying Israel's response was on flimsy pretenses - Israel's response was not a casus belli by definition, so I'm not clear what you're trying to say.

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[Anarcho-Socialist]

26. Based on that...

...do you support the destruction of the U.S. and U.K.?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

25. Anti-Semites consider Hezbollah to be heroic

No surprise there.

[MrPrax]

28. Long memory...

Looks like COSATU and Bishop Tutu remembers who it's real friends are...and it sure as hell isn't the 'Jewish State'.

Let's see...
1) Israel-South Africa nuclear weapon development
2) Israel arms sales/logistics/torture techniques
3) Israel export/import companies 're-flagging' SA exports to end run the international boycott
4) Israel intelligence gathering in the US and other countries of SA apartheid activists
5) Israel being the only country to not follow the international boycott against SA
6) Israel/South African racists share a grand national narrative about how white European settlers 'tamed' a wild savage (and apparently unoccupied) land promised to them by THEIR God.

etc etc

But all is not lost -- while SA is no longer a safe harbour for Zionist solidarity...this writer thinks that another 'Asia' country is headed in a direction much to Israel's liking.

Oh early prediction -- since SA is scheduled to take it's turn at the UN Secruity Council in January, I suspect we will see a whole lot MORE 'megaphone' slams against South Africa in the coming months.

You can almost smell them inventing talking points about SA being a 'failed state'.