Hamas: Israel must be wiped out

[Scurrilous]

Following IDF strike in Gaza Strip and West Bank, which killed 23 Palestinians, Palestinian government spokesman says, 'Israel is not a country of humans, but of animals.' Palestinian government convenes for emergency meeting. Haniyeh: Security Council should hold emergency meeting

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3325327,00.html

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"Palestinian Government Spokesman Dr. Ghazi Hamad said that Israel must be wiped off the face of the earth.

The remarks made by Hamad, who is considered a moderate element among the Hamas leadership, came in response to the Israel Defense Forces strike on Wednesday morning, which killed at least 18 Palestinians on Wednesday morning as a large number of IDF tank shells hit a house in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanoun."

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"Hamad added that "this is not a country of humans. These are animals and a group of gangs, and this country must be wiped off the face of the earth."

The Palestinian government was set to convene for an emergency meeting Wednesday morning following the IDF's strike in Beit Hanoun.

Meanwhile, Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh called on the United Nations Security Council to convene an emergency meeting."



Peretz to IDF: Halt artillery fire

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3325377,00.html

Defense minister orders army to present findings of investigation into Gaza shelling which killed 19 Palestinians as soon as possible. Minister Livni says, 'We have no intention of hurting innocent people.' MK Talab El-Sana: Peretz, Olmert and Halutz are criminals of war

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"Defense Minister Amir Peretz ordered the IDF to conduct a quick and thorough investigation of Wednesday morning's incident in Gaza in which 19 Palestinians were killed, reportedly by IDF shelling.

Minister Peretz asked to be presented with the findings and conclusions as soon as possible. Peretz also ordered the suspension of artillery fire pending the completion of the investigation.

IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz ordered the IDF halt all artillery fire towards Gaza until the incident in examined. Halutz ordered the army to probe the incident and establish the connection between the IDF's activity and the civilian causalities."

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""The massacre in Beit Hanoun proves that the Israeli government is committing war crimes against civilians," said Knesset member Talab El-Sana (Ra'am Ta'al) after the incident. "Palestinian children and women who are murdered in their homes and in their beds. Olmert, Peretz and Halutz are war criminals who failed the first war and are committing war crimes in the second war."

[bemildred]

1. Well. This is just working out great, isn't it? nt

[pelsar]

2. ho hum...nothing new...

hamas has said it before...they're just pissed that the world opinion isnt pressuring israel to let them shoot their kassams in peace and let them aim better at israeli schools....real bummer!

[bemildred]

4. Yes, business as usual ... nt

[breakaleg]

3. 18 Palestinians killed in IDF shelling in northern Gaza

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/785380.html

"Eight children and seven women were among the dead, the Palestinain Health Ministry said, adding that 18 of the victims were members of the Athamna family.

Khaled Radi, a Palestinian Health Ministry official, said all of those killed were civilians. According to witnesses, the victims were sleeping when the 15-minute barrage of shells first hit.

Radi also said at least 40 people were wounded, all civilians. Four hospitals are treating the wounded across Gaza.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni expressed regret for the deaths, saying that Israel did not set out to harm innocent civilians. "

So, what was the goal of this attack? It seems all of the casualties are civilians, it was a civilian neighbourhood....

[pelsar]

5. it was a civilian neighbourhood.......?

you've got to be kidding...this is a serious statement?

it was a civilian neighbourhood.


....and where are the "non civilian" neighborhoods?

[breakaleg]

6. excuse me. it was a block of homes where people were sleeping

and no evidence of militants among them have yet to come forth.

split hairs all you like. you'll have a busy job today trying to defend this massacre. and the fact that you will defend it, disgusts me.

[IntiRaymi]

7. I admire you. You still feel fresh disgust. n.t.

[pelsar]

8. i dont have to "defend it"....

shells went the "wrong way"....happens a lot with military equipment, they are very imperfect devices. War zones are very messy places with the wrong people always getting mixed up and killed.

battles shouldnt be in held in cities.....they're are non combatants/innocent civilians all over the place.

[IntiRaymi]

14. Would you be singing the same song if those were your relatives?

shell went the 'wrong way'...
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War zones are very messy...

and so on.

[pelsar]

15. its not a "song"

its just the facts of military hardware......it can be tragic, it can sad, but mechanical devices under pressure are not precision machines.

emotions are not part of mechanical physics....(kassams sometimes blow up while being manufactured)

[IntiRaymi]

18. Yes, but would you?

Would you callously shrug off the tragedy if that were the circumstance, instead?

[pelsar]

19. you asking if i would be upset?

of course i would... It doesnt mean i cant tell the difference between a mechanical failure and a intentional crime. I noticed that you tend to mix them up...letting your emotions dictate the "reason"......

I've known people who have been killed due to a "mechanical failure" such as a car crash. I may be upset, but it doesnt mean i believe ford intentionally killed my friend.......

as far as the tragedy goes, it was inevitable, thats how artillary works, its inexact. Whether it was the right choice or not is another matter, but its use, as does the use of machine guns, missles, etc are all designed to kill, and the flying metal and explosions involved are very inexact.

the solution is obvious: Hamas has to stop trying to kill israelis from gaza, so israel can return to the 67 borders...its so simple...

[IntiRaymi]

9. And I am sure Hamas can pull this off.

And because Hamas is such an amazing military power that dwarves anything Israel can produce, the IDF should go in, and crush, destroy, and defeat more of its phantom enemies. This is obviously a clear and present danger to the existence of Israel.
Oh, that and kill 18 innocents due to 'equipment malfunction.'

[PrgressiveJ]

10. Well Hamas has enough power to stop the Israeli offensive,

Its real simple for them:Release Gilad,STOP the Kassam`s ,and poof ,just like magic--Israeli offensive ends.

NOW THATS POWER !!!!!

[bemildred]

11. Nobody move, or the bunny gets it!

[PrgressiveJ]

12. YES,good point,, EXACTLY ,

Now if only HAMAS would get THAT same message !!!! RIGHT ?


:toast:

[bemildred]

13. It seems popular on both sides, to me anyway.

All stick, no carrot.

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Dr. Ghazi Hamad is a bigot.

A member of the Palestinian Authority is making open death threats? Hamad is a respected member of the elected Hamas party, and his party represents the views of many Palestinians. If his views were outside the mainstream, why would he be spokesperson for this government? And what's worst part of this I think is that he may give people who share his views, but are afraid to admit it, a voice.

Hamad isn't just an 'extremist', but rather the genuine article, an actual fascist/racist. The party he speaks for has a stated policy of ethnic cleansing. And he is supposed to be a "moderate." So, does Hamad really represent such a deviation from the mainstream of Palestinian politics? Or is it a continuation of the past 40 years of much of the same?

[Andromeda]

17. Is Mr. Hamad related to Ahmajahadmahamadum?

Because he said exactly the same thing. Funny that.