PA gov't spokesman: People are to blame for situation

[pelsar]

sometimes the truth hurts.......but by accepting it one can move on:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3296410,00.html

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After the withdrawal from Gaza, we hoped for a bright future, we thought that this year we will reap the fruits of our sacrifices. But I ask myself today – why did the occupation return to Gaza. The occupation – wise men and commentators will say – is responsible. I am not defending the occupation, but I want to stop at our mistakes, which we are accustomed to blame on others."
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When efforts are made to open the Rafah border crossing to ease the humanitarian crisis, there is always someone who fires a rocket on the crossing. When we speak about a truce, there is always someone who fires another rocket."

Hamad appeals to leaders of Palestinian factions saying that resistance against Israel is worthless when "the land is full with anarchy, corruption, thuggery, and gang killings. Isn't building the homeland part of the resistance?"
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they've got a lot or work to do, before they can return to the status of a year ago, when israel left gaza......

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[Violet_Crumble]

6. What an absolutely ridiculous comment...

Instead of inventing POVs that people don't have, why don't you focus on what people do believe and engage in constructive discussion for a change. The tactic you just used is ugly, dishonest and very clumsy, and in no way helps you come across seriously (neither did labelling the vast majority of Palestinians as monsters either, so in this case it's probably too late)...

[IntiRaymi]

12. Easy there!

Lest this devolve to personal attacks!!
:D

[IntiRaymi]

2. Collective punishment, anyone?

There aren't 1.5 million people shooting rockets from Gaza. And yet, 1.5 million people are being punished.
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Why is it so hard to acknowledge this?

[msmcghee]

3. Yeah, and how about that last storm that hit Cleveland?

You might try something that has some remote relationship to the OP.

[IntiRaymi]

4. It doesn't take a compleat genious to make the association.

This 'spokesperson' is blabbing something that is music to the ears of the Israeli government.
You are either insufficiently cynical, or you are purposefully ignoring the implications of all this.

[msmcghee]

5. Recalling your many past statements of wisdom here . .

. . I am very anxious to hear your full explanation of the "implications" of this that I am purposefully ignoring.

Please, procede.

[IntiRaymi]

7. I guess you have homework to do, then. n.t.

[msmcghee]

8. Wait, you made a statement.

You said I was "purposely ignoring the implications of this".

I asked you to describe the implications I was ignoring so I could defend myself. Now, you won't do that. You are running away from your assertions and refusing to stand behind them when challenged, as usual.

That's basically all you do here. You make unfounded assertions and then run away from them when asked to support them.

You guys should make a list of you favorite "weasel" statements. Then you could ust use a number from your list instead of having to write out a whole sentence every time. It must get tiring.

Here's a suggestion. Just do a search on VC's last twenty posts in I/P and number them from one to twenty. Oh yeah, you can't search because you didn't donate to support your share of the DU bandwidth.

Pathetic.

[IntiRaymi]

11. The implications are this:

The P.A. is throwing israeli public image a bone, by blaming palestinians for their plight. This is known as 'diplomacy' in some circles.
This, coincidentally, is identical to the memes that are spouted repeatedly in these forums. The machine has begun to work the echo chamber at all levels.

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[pelsar]

16. i'm continually surprised here...

The P.A. is throwing israeli public image a bone, by blaming palestinians for their plight.....what an imagination!!! A hamas spokesmen criticizes their own govt and society for its problems...and for reasons unknown it cant be taken straight:

there just has to be some other reason for self criticism...has to be:

[Violet_Crumble]

17. I doubt I'll surprise you...

I think self-criticism is a good thing, and his seems to be quite reasonable given that he doesn't lay all the blame on the Palestinians or Israel. Voices like his need to be listened to just as much as we listen when Israeli politicians criticise Israeli actions....

[pelsar]

18. its just a pleasure to read....

not so much because i agree or disagree, but the simple fact of self criticism can be expressed. Granted hes a govt official, but it is a step in the right direction toward a better society.

it also has a direct affect upon the conflict.....for the palestenians to divide between their own internal problems vs those with israel and to find where they get mixed up......(presently in the public forum, everything is israels fault which negates finding solutions for those that arent)

[pelsar]

9. THE SPOKESMAN.....

the one who knows probably a lot more than the people on this site explains the situation about the palestenains from the palestenian point of view and it seems some here simply have a hard time accepting it.

worse because it is "music to the ears of the israeli govt"...it therefore "must be rejected"....

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i find that reaction not only fascinating but so so telling of why so many of the palestenians supporters are simply supporting the continuation of their miserable lives.

The PA spokesmas speaks some basic truths, and its "rejected" by their supporters as "not true" because the israelis agree with them.....incredible, but not surprising.

ps. Hamas is know for saying what they believe, this is further proof of that. His statements are more credible than any other reporter/journalist and op/ed piece by somebody in New York, or anybody on any forum...though i admit, for those who believe that everything is israels fault it would be hard to accept, but then what does he know, he's only the Hamas/Govt spokesperson.

[IntiRaymi]

13. This spokesperson is also a stooge to his masters.

Much like Ari Fleischer was a stooge for the BFEE.

His knowledge of the situation on the ground may have Zippy-dee-doo-dah to do with his statements.

[pelsar]

15. HIs MASTERS...ARE HAMAS!

and they have made it very clear what they think of Israel.....

amazing.....Hamas, the organization that believes israel has no right to exist, makes some statements that explains their own internal situation, and BECAUSE is israel agrees that its true..

some here then claim "it cant be true becuase israel agrees to it".....

anybody else here agree to this?

[IntiRaymi]

19. Watch out - you might get lost in that labyrinth!

[pelsar]

20. so then is this true...

Palestinian Government Spokesman Dr. Ghazi Hamad said that Israel must be wiped off the face of the earth

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3296410,00.html

i'm lost should we believe this guy or not...or just when he talks about wiping out israel and not about internal palestenian problems?

or maybe hes just giving his opinion here and it really doesnt represent the PA govt..or does it ...or is he being political and saying what israel "wants to hear" again.

[Behind the Aegis]

10. "sometimes the truth hurts"

Very true. Sometimes, it is even better than the fiction put out as "truth."