Memorial fund to help Israel Defense Forces

[Herschel]

Tuesday was the first anniversary of the death of Israeli Staff Sgt. Ari Weiss, but those in his former community of Buffalo Grove still remember him.

For the past year, they have been writing checks and dropping coins and bills into a small container on the counter of Menshenables Judaica in the Northwest suburb. Owner Sarese Hranicka said one congregation, Temple Chai, donated all the funds in its collection box. One woman even wrote a check for $100, Hranicka said.

Hranicka said that thanks to the donations, she has sent $2,000 to Ohel Ari - literally Ari's Tent, in Hebrew - a fund established by Weiss' parents, Rabbi Stewart and Susie Weiss.

Money raised will build a center where members of the Israel Defense Forces can relax, learn and enjoy time together while taking a break from the ongoing conflict.

Literature on the center describes it as "a state-of-the-art educational and recreational facility - enhancing learning and Jewish outreach to Israeli residents, soldiers and visitors."

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Tax-deductible contributions can be made to Ohel Ari, 1173 McHenry Road, Buffalo Grove, IL 60089 For more information, call 847-478-8282.

http://www.dailyherald.com/kane/main_story.asp?intID=3789667

A marvelous cause.

[Resistance]

1. every terrorist group

needs a rec center. They get a swimming pool?

[Herschel]

2. How dare you

Refer to these brave fighters as terrorists. Explain yourself.

[Resistance]

4. I express the view

of those murdered by the IDF.

The question for you is: Why are you so offended by a Palestinian viewpoint?

[Herschel]

8. I am offended by lies

Where is your proof of murder?

[cprise]

29. "I am offended" -- Well that took like 5 min.

These Sharonites are always so offended and persecuted.

Any IDF'er who would invade crowded Palestinian citites get my ambivalence at best. The few who have refused to enter the occupied territories have done so successfully.

[bemildred]

36. Offending some people is a duty and an honor.

[Jackie97]

41. They intentionally kill civilians.

By make attacks against probably one terrorist by doing something that they know will kill tons of people around them.

Plus, ISM activists just happened to start "accidently" dying at the same time.

Plus, they kill civilians for breaking curfews.

Plus, they cause people to go jobless and homeless by keeping them from work and destroying their homes.

They do all this stuff knowing that it will lead to civilian deaths. That's murder.

[IndianaGreen]

40. They are occupiers, not "brave fighters"

Besides, they are not even American and why should we care about a foreign army?

[Jackie97]

42. I don't like IDF in the least....

But that sounded so arrogant. Why shouldn't we care about foreign armies if they serve a good cause? Furthermore, why would our army be more important to consider than Israel's since ours do the same type of nasty things in Iraqi occupation that IDF does?

[Darranar]

5. They aren't a terrorist group...

though members of tyhe group are terrorists.

[Resistance]

6. a distinction

which is most likely lost on the victims

[Darranar]

12. True enough...

but belief doesn't make it true.

[Darranar]

3. Nothing wrong with this...

not admirable, but not immoral.

[Flying_Pig]

7. I wonder if these Americans will also be giving donations for ...

a rec center in the names of the American servicepeople killed fighting in the war Israel's Likud wanted so bad in Iraq, and those who may soon be killed in Syria and Iran if Sharon and his buddies in PNAC/AIPAC/JINSA get their way?

on edit: context

[laura888]

9. you've voiced my fears!

The Iraq conflict is tied to Israel - who can doubt this?

[Resistance]

10. that reminds me

Did Israel get their oil pipeline yet? I haven't heard much on that 'development' lately.

[Herschel]

11. Surely America considered

her ally when acting. Be glad.

[laura888]

13. please! Israel's well-being affects me as much as...

...the well-being of Denmark!

Would you make sacrifices, would you endanger your family for Denmark?

(sorry, danes - I just randomly chose this country)

[Herschel]

14. Israel and America

are joined at the heart. There is no light between them. They benefit.

[laura888]

15. hmmm... when you speak of heart?

who's heart are you speaking of?

I'm an American, and its definitely not mine.

[Darranar]

17. It's PNAC's...

They're "joined at the heart" because their goals match - for now.

"Nations don't have friends. They have interests."

[Herschel]

19. You are a minority

America loves Israel. The Democratic and Republican parties support her.

[Darranar]

22. The Uniated States' Foreign Policy is corrupt...

just because the Democrats support Israel doesn't mean that progressives should.

[Herschel]

25. Democrats are progressive

Supporting Israel is progressive.

[laura888]

26. no - progressive means good for a majority of people

supporting Israel causes harm to all of America. Definitely NOT progressive.

[Herschel]

28. Israel is a democracy

and faithful ally. What better ally in the region?

[cprise]

34. Apartheid South Africa was a democracy too

Israel has to change.

[Darranar]

27. Lieberman isn't progressive...

The Iraq war isn't progressive, this wall isn't progressive, stealing land isn't progressive. Many Democrats are in support of all these things. They aren't very progressive, IMO.

[Herschel]

30. Joe Lieberman for president

He is the best choice for a nominee.

[laura888]

31. you...are...sounding...like...a...member...

...of a cult.

Pretty scarey.

[Darranar]

32. Uh... why?

Common sense affirmitave action to counter the inherent racism in our society? NO.

Attack another country with no real basis? YES.

Support Sharon 100%? YES.

Defend Bush's Lies on CNN? YES.

[cprise]

33. "Supporting Israel is progressive"-- That's an old political dogma

And an unnecessary one.

Supporting Israel's right to exist may be progressive. Interpreting that through a tradition of fear and pre-emption (state terrorism) is NOT.

Germans whipped themselves up into a victimization frenzy at one time, and look at the result. But Germans were no less worthy before that episode than Israeli's have been. In fact, I'd say Israel has caught some kind of persecution/violence syndrome from them.

Modern Israel is progressive by 1930s standards. Its society has been developmentally retarded by fear and all the crap it leads to.

Saudi Arabia represses about 1/2 its population (women) and Israel opresses about 1/2 of theirs (Palestinians). You and other supporters of Israel better learn to treat the M.E. conflict in terms of apartheid opression: I can hardly imagine a less acrimonious outcome from their efforts to end the gross injustice they suffered, even though there had been a history of violence.

[laura888]

23. that's because of the $ the politicians get

is that love??

[Darranar]

16. The Iraq war hurt BOTH.

[Herschel]

21. Iraq was a threat to Israel

The change in leadership is a good thing.

[Darranar]

24. Maybe...

but the results, being a rise in Islamic extremism, thousands of dead Iraqis, a horrible humanitarian situation within Iraq, 250+ American soldiers dead, and many other things are bad for the US and for Israel.

And how was Iraq a threat to anyone?

[bemildred]

35. The Iraq war is just beginning.

The results are not determined by any means.

[Darranar]

37. The current results...

I should have said.

It isn't getting any better, that's for sure.

[bemildred]

38. The point I was making was that the notion that there

has been an outcome, good or bad, for anybody but the dead
is wrong. The block has been removed from the wheel, and the
wagon is rolling downhill and gathering speed. What things will
look like when it eventually comes to rest, or its parts do anyway,
is unknown. The notion that it will be "good" for Israel seems
very dubious to me.

[Darranar]

43. Okay...

Understood.

[mike_c]

44. don't speak for me....

You could drive Arnold's hummer between my heart and Israel.

[IndianaGreen]

46. Don't forget our beloved Oceania!

[Flying_Pig]

20. Be glad? Be glad my country is in the hands of fascists, thanks in

part because of the support Likud and their allies in the U.S. gave G.W. Bush? Glad, because the corrupt fascists in PNAC, Likud supporters all, managed to screw our nation into an illegal war Israel wanted and screamed for? Glad? Are you freakin' nuts?

Glad my ass.

A question for you Hershel:
Do people like you ever put America first in your thoughts, or is Israel always first?

[madrchsod]

18. you mean all the hundreds of billions

we have given israel over the years ,they can`t afford to build a rec center? what the hell have they been doing with all our tax dollars?? building weapons of mass destrution ,advance military weapon systems or maybe a really big wall?

[Jackie97]

39. Gag.

Why not use some of that money to rebuild those houses that IDF destroys on a regular basis?

[Lithos]

45. Locking

Not a recent news or op-ed article.

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