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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 12:34 PM
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Rabin's real legacy
This article written by my friend, David Kriss, is an advanced copy which he will be posting in a few days. I have full permission from him to post his entire words. I will post a link from a prior column of his. All of his archived articles and future commentaties can be reached with this link.

/www.totallyjewish.com/news/israeldiary/?disp_feature=2xybMi


Last Saturday night the 8th memorial ceremony for Yitzhak Rabin was held in Rabin Square in Tel Aviv. I didn’t go.

For several years I’ve had the feeling that the annual ceremony was missing the mark. The prescient words in his last speech ( ..You have proved that the people want peace and oppose violence which erodes the foundations of democracy.”) , the formal expressions of grief and slogans which now ‘The Rabin Legacy’ (‘We Won’t Forget and We Won’t Forgive’; ‘We Will Follow His Path’) were not getting through to the general public. The ceremony, attended mainly by polite ashkenazi, secular liberals had turned into the ritual of a shrinking tribe, covered fleetingly by the media, forgotten the next day

Perhaps I was also reluctant to submit to the emotional turbulence that the ceremony generates. Because if there is one single event in this country’s history that leads grown men to cry it is the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin. What brings on the tears is not just the loss of Rabin the man – that gruff, impeccably honest, soldier-leader. Nor are tears shed only because Israel is so rent apart that it cannot solve its internal disputes without violence. Beyond all that, the tears fall in rage and frustration over the loss of our present and our future. For when the Jewish assassin Yigal Amir gunned down Yithak Rabin the man, he also murdered the hope that Yitzhak Rabin represented. Rabin’s assassination altered the course of history. Had he been alive today we might be inhabiting a brighter place than this dark tunnel of violence and intransigence. I didn’t want to have to deal with all that on a balmy Saturday night.

But this year’s ceremony was different. First, a day before it began, vandals spray-painted crude swastikas on the black memorial stones which mark the assassination spot outside Tel Aviv Municipality. They also painted ‘Kahana was right’ on his picture. Then a man was seen on TV spitting on Rabin’s memorial. The outrage that this sparked brought about 100,000 people into Rabin Square.

This year the ceremony also dropped the pretense of an event supposed to unite all Israelis and became what Ha’aretz called, “the biggest left wing demonstration held in years”. Rabin’s daughter, Dalia Rabin-Pelosoff and Labour leader Shimon Peres, among others, made passionate political speeches attacking the government. Is it a shame that an event whose original goal was to mobilise all political strands against political violence has been turned into a political demonstration? Perhaps. But the idea that by merely condemning the assassination we would be able to bridge gaps in the political discourse was in any case illusory.

Everything concerning Rabin’s assassination was and is overtly political. Yigal Amir assassinated Rabin because of what Rabin stood for - a pragmatic strategy for peace which would set permanent borders and establish Israel firmly as a western democracy based on the rule of law. Therefore, while broad swathes of Israeli society mourn his loss, equally broad swathes remain emotionally unmoved by the assassination or pay lip service to Rabin’s memory while steadily undermining his real legacy.

If Rabin was looking down on the square that bears his name, the politically charged atmosphere would have cheered him far more than any number of maudlin songs and memorial candles. Eight years after his death, maybe, just maybe, his presence is being felt again.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 12:45 PM
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2. Rabin
May he rest in peace. He would have been a far better choice for Israel then Sharon...
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 01:20 PM
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3. I agree
May he rest in Peace. I will never forget that day, in my mind he was the last of the pioneers who loved Israel, loved peace, and was willing to do what had to be done to secure it; as long as Israel survived.

Israel is a democracy, therefore there will be heated arguments, even fisticuffs. Hell, our House of Reps in Texas has come to blows more often than Israel has had wars. IMO, Sharon was elected as a last hope, desparation if you will. Barak tried to make peace, he offered more than Rabin and all other's put together. Arafat walked. He walked and started an intafada. Get rid of the weasel and perhaps if the new pres. of the PA stops the murders, Labor will have a decent candidate and a just and lasting peace can come about.

From our mouths to G-d's ears.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 01:22 PM
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4. LOL...
Barak's offer was a load of junk.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 01:31 PM
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5. also
it was Barak who walked
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 01:32 PM
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6. True.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:06 PM
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12. No, it's the truth.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:05 PM
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11. Statistics don't tell you everything, Jim.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 03:30 PM
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14. Exactly...
the myth that Barak's offer was generous has been repeated so many times that many believe it.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 05:42 PM
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16. It's interesting
So much of this article could have been written about Rachel Corrie or Tom Hurndall:

The Israeli army not only murdered the young peace activists, but it was as if peace itself had been murdered.

Also, like the ultra-nationalists who vandalized Rabin's memorial, right-wing idiots smear and slander Rachel's memory. Remember, right after Rachel was murdered, all the conservative hate-mongers started showing off a picture of Rachel burning a flag, as if this justified her being crushed by a bulldozer. And, far-Rightists still spit on Tom and Rachel by trying to paint them and the peace group they belonged to, the ISM, as "terrorist supporters" and "misguided" "leftist nitwits."

There is, of course, a big difference between Rabin's murder and the murders of the two young ISMers: Corrie and Hurndall's killers got away with it.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 05:56 PM
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18. there's also a few other differences
Edited on Sun Nov-02-03 05:58 PM by Aidoneus
Corrie and Hundall never caused thousands of people to flee their homes in terror, they never founded any "force, might, beatings" doctrines, etc.. but they are remembered as "terrorist enablers" or just "terrorists", while the other a "man of peace". History works in funny ways..
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 05:58 PM
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19. Senator Byrd was once a Klansman.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:44 PM
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47. if Byrd was dancing around in sheets just a couple years ago
that comparison would be more valid.. :shrug:
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:51 PM
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48. My point...
is that people should be judged in the light of their current actions, not their past actions.

Perhaps Lieberman was once an active member of the civil rights movement, for instance. That doesn't justify his current pro-corporate globalization, pro-American imperialism, pro-censorship stance.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 06:14 PM
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20. That Is All Rather Over The Top, Mr. Resistance
One thing, perhaps, ought to be set clear from the outset: the term "peace activist" applied to the I.S.M. members is a mere propaganda coinage, without any basis in fact. These people are on one side of the conflict, which they hope to see win; they merely utilize non-violent means in their attempt to bring about the end they desire. They do not call for both sides to cease hostile actions against one another, or denounce all use of violence by either side as illegitimate. They set out only to shield some portion of one side from violence by the other. They are entitled to respect for courage in thus pressing their views at great personal risk, whether one agrees with those views or not, but they are not entitled to be viewed as neutral parties, or as persons working for peace alone.

The continued cry of murder in this connection is also a mere propaganda usage. In the most notorious of the cases, the facts seem to fall well short of murder. To expand this into a cry that this death "murdered peace itself" is simply fatuous. Where was the peace, or the prospect of peace, that died with Ms. Corrie? We both know there was neither. It was just one more day in a squalid and brutal war, owing more to cowardice and lack of imagination and self-aggrandizement by the contending leaderships than to any other cause.

The murder of Mr. Rabin was a thing of a far different order. There was a real prospect of peace murdered with him. He had the necessary confidence and support of the people of Isael to make necessary concessions, and he seems to have the necessary degree of trust from his Arab Palestinian adversaries. His murder was a deliberate attempt to prevent peace coming to pass, by rejectionist elements of Israeli ultra-nationalists. That they seem to have succeeded for nearly a decade is a thing which must cause us all regret, and it ought not be seen as a mere occassion for propagandizings, Sir.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 06:17 PM
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21. ISM wants a peaceful end to the conflict...
they do not seek "victory" except in relation to an end to the occupation.

Is that not a worthy goal for those who support peace?
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 06:19 PM
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22. Hmm
I will have to agree with Darranar here, as much as I would normally agree with Magistrate and his fair and balanced views ;-)
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 06:24 PM
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23. Your Pun Is Appreciated, Mr. Soul
No umbrage is taken, let me assure you.

It may be a mere personal quirk, but to my view of meanings, the usage "peace activist" requires a degree of neutrality these people lack. It does not seem to me a disparagement to recognize their partiality in the matter.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 06:29 PM
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24. In this particular instance...
I would agree that peace activists should be neutral, but I do not see it as within their definition.

There are certainly cases of unprovoked war where being a neutral peace activist would be hypocritical.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 06:51 PM
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25. Rachel Corrie was more of a literal "peace" activist than Rabin
Rabin defined "peace" as an occupation that works.

Corrie did not dispute the right of Israel to exist. Rabin disputed the right of Palestine to exist.

As for the facts falling short of murder, that is because Israel simply refuses to attempt to prosecute those responsible. For example, it has not publically revealed whether or not it has interviewed the other soldier who was there at the time.

Since the GOI "explanations" for Corrie's death are also laughable, the only reasonable and likely conclusion is that the IDF knows what really happened and is refusing to tell anyone.

If it wasn't murder, this would surely not be happening.

So, you're right that it is not possible to say "Rachel Corrie was murdered", but it is correct to say that she was "likely murdered". Because somebody strays from the latter to the former is not technically correct, but it falls far short of being "propaganda".

If anything deserves that term, it is the GOI response.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:01 PM
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26. I believe the four eyewitnesses
who all said the killing was intentional.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:14 PM
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27. So do I
I remember spending some time to highlight all the pertinent points in their testimony in a post at DU, which promptly resulted in several hysterical denunciations by partisans. :eyes:

But, since there has been no trial nor a serious investigation (as in, an investigation to find the facts and release those facts), it can't be said that there is no doubt Rachel was murdered.

Murder is, however (given the known facts), almost certainly the case.

And it should be noted that the reason there is any doubt (giving the the Corrie family no closure) is because the IDF/GOI members involved in preventing a serious investigation are lying, criminal bastards.

And yes, it does therefore follow that they are almost certainly complicit in murder as well, after the fact (maybe before, but that is not anywhere near certain or very likely IMO).
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:36 PM
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31. There Remains A Good Deal Of Doubt In My Mind, Sir
Concerning whether there was an intent to kill. We may have to agree to disagree on this, as we do on many matters....
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:49 PM
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42. I should clarify
I don't think the eyewitnesses are lying.

However, they surely do not know what was in the drivers mind. There remains a possibilty the intent was to "teach a lesson", or perhaps injure. It is also not absolutely established whether or not the driver saw Corrie immediately before she was crushed. In a Hebrew interview, he did try and say he had no idea she was there. Surely straining credibility, since the issue is whether or not he saw her above the D-9 blade, not whether he saw her at all, which he is denying.

If the driver maintained that position in a trial, and I had the evidence to hand the evidence in the public domain already, I would convict.

But, I can understand a jury member who wouldn't. I would question what level of evidence they required to change their mind though.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 06:20 PM
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52. Fair Enough, Mr. Priv
It would certainly be helpful to see the man questioned and cross-examined professionally.

It is always my custom to give all persons the benefit of doubt so long as reasonably possible.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:19 PM
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28. get back on target
this thread is not about that nutcase.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:21 PM
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29. "Nutcase"?
Edited on Sun Nov-02-03 07:21 PM by Darranar
Oh, you mean someone who actually defended the Palestinians (who do exist, btw) and refused to accept Israel's ethnic cleansing, despite the fact that "G-d gave them the land".

Have you ever considered that perhaps a large portion of the Bible isn't fact?
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:34 PM
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30. did I stutter?
Edited on Sun Nov-02-03 07:35 PM by rini
I said nutcase and I meant it! As for the Palestinians:

If there ever was a Palestine:When was it founded and by whom?
> What were its borders?
> What was its capital?
> What were its major cities?
> What constituted the basis of its economy?
> What was its form of government?

As for the Pentatuch, this is not a religius forum and my answer is a historical/religious answer. Frankly I couldn't care less what anyone believes as long as they leave me the hell alone!
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:36 PM
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32. No independant palestinian state...
So? They still lived in the entity known as "Palestine" - hence they are Palestinians.

Or do Virginians not exist?
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:39 PM
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33. What does this have to do with virgins?
Sorry for the levity if you really meant virgins.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:42 PM
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36. Oh, never mind
Edited on Sun Nov-02-03 07:47 PM by Darranar
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:48 PM
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41. may be it was wishful thinking LOL
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 09:33 PM
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46. Did somebody say virgins?
Is that a slur on the whole martyr to paradise to 72 virgins deal?
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:40 PM
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34. If there is
and never was a Palestine, who are these people?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:41 PM
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35. There was and is a Palestine.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:42 PM
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37. then answer my questions
When was it founded and by whom?
> What were its borders?
> What was its capital?
> What were its major cities?
> What constituted the basis of its economy?
> What was its form of government?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:46 PM
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39. Why does every region have to have a capital?
If I asked you what the capital of New England was, what would you answer? New England has no government, either, but does that mean that New Englanders don't exist?
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:51 PM
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43. your rythmn is great
you can dance around anything. Answer the question please..can't do it huh? Then never again say there is or was a Palestine because it is all a pipe dream. There may be a Palestine one day, but its founding will be in the 21st century.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:55 PM
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44. Regions don't neccesarily have distinct borders...
nor distinct governments.

The founders of Palestine were the Romans who renamed the region after the Phillistines.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 08:08 AM
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49. Thank you
I really appreciate your effort. No joke, no sarcasm.
In fact, you are partly correct.

The Romans did coin the word Palestine, after they defeated the Jews who lived in Judea. Palestine was Judea prior to 77CE. Judea was a Jewish kingdom/protectorate of Rome. Prior to that the Maccabbees, we can go back as far as Abraham, yes I believe there really was an Abraham. Regardless, the Palestine provence was not an independent state/kingdom.

However, that does not answer my questions. Please fill in the rest.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 08:14 AM
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50. regions are not countries

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 04:57 PM
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51. Yet...
there are still Arabs, New Englanders, etc.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:48 PM
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40. Darranar they never learn
Corrie is called a nutcase, and Rabin's memorial has been spit on. Do you really think you can tell them that there is a Palestine?
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:55 PM
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45. can you answer my questions?
When was it founded and by whom?
> What were its borders?
> What was its capital?
> What were its major cities?
> What constituted the basis of its economy?
> What was its form of government?

BTW, I love the plural "they", I have always felt like royalty, thanks for the acknowledgement. :)
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-03 07:43 PM
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38. Kriss is a good writer
Nice piece.

I liked his Geneva commentary too, although his analysis of the document comes mostly from the usual sources. Still interesting though.

As for Rabin, the eulogies since his death have been ridiculous, and this article is an unfortunate contribution to the myth of the "peacemaker" (although the reasons for that are understandable and all too common).

Still, it is also my impression that this years tribute was more political than usual. I also agree that the Kahane incident had a lot to do with that, though I think he is downplaying the ultra-nationalist wing of Israel in this piece (or perhaps not giving it enough explanation).

Still, even nutjob Yahalom went nuts about the graffiti, so it's difficult to draw too many sweeping conclusions from the incident (positive or otherwise).
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 06:47 PM
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53. Had I been Mr. Kriss, I would have attended the service this year
It would have been more important than ever to do so.

We cannot seperate the peace movement from the desire to remove from power those who would make war and oppress others. Of course the Rabin service is a political event, no less than would a service for Dr. King be a political event. Of course the Rabin service is something to make those who embrace General Sharon's policies uncomfortable, just as a service for Dr. King would make the neo-segregationists of the GOP uncomfortable.

I agree with Mr. Kriss that Rabin represented "a pragmatic strategy" for a peaceful settlement. Were I an Israeli, I, too, would insist that a peace agreement be two-sided. And I argree with Mr. Kriss that not all who attended the service are such pragmatists. However, the Sharon ministry hardly represents that kind of pragmatism, eithter; Sharon and his cabinet members represent it no more than those who spraypaint swastikas on Rabin's image and sing the praises of Kahane. They, too, undermine Rabin's legacy.

Israel needs to return to Rabin's kind of pragmatic apprach to peace. That involves a rejection of Likud and Moledet and all who would reject a just peace and embrace permanent occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. For that reason, I would have attended the service. It is more urgent now than before.

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