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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:54 AM Original message |
In speech to Muslims, Obama rejects Israeli settlements |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. Well - good for him. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-05-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. "Assalaam Aleikum" -- Barack Obama |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hamas is the stumbling block |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Nicely cherry picked |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. There's no way you can turn this around and say Hamas justifies the settlements. |
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Sezu (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. NEVER??? Well how do you explain Islamic extremism |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The I/P conflict is the single largest cause of friction between the West and the Islamic world |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. yeah, once I/P is cleared up, there will be peace and kumbaya |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Nobody said there'd be instant "peace and kumbaya" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. ever think that regional M.E. leadership NEEDS this conflict to rage on? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. ever think the Israeli leadership NEEDS this conflict to rage on? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. you have a VERY low opinion of Israelis, then |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I respect rank-and-file Israeli citizens. I don't respect Israeli political leaders |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. israeli politicians send their own kids, grandchildren, friends and their kids.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Not dumb. Capable of being manipulate by propaganda as are voters here |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. 90% of jewish israelis were for OCL, Ken....you respect that? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. At one point 90% of the US backed the Iraq War |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. are you aware of Olmert's offer to Abbas last year? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-05-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. The settlements and Jerusalem, of course. N.T. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-05-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. what about settlements and Jerusalem? what should Olmert have included in the offer? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
47. The removal of the settlements and East Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. control of E.Jerusalem was already offered 9 years ago and rejected |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-05-09 06:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Disagree. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-05-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. yes, the online english talkback section is such a representative sample of Israeli opinion |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-05-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. lol. YOU have a very, very low opinion of Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-05-09 06:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. evidence please? or is that some article of faith? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-04-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No,I'm a "no one who defends the settlements can truly say they're in favor of peace" nut |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-05-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. so Israel should abandon all settlements? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-05-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. We know that isn't happening though |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 07:14 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. UNRES 242 is based on secure and defensible borders |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. As I said on another thread |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Bullshit. The settlements have never added anything to Israel's security |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. the major settlements will be retained by Israel in exchange for a land swap |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. If that major settlements are retained, that won't leave enough land to create a Palestinian state. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 04:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. are you for strict 1949 borders? please answer |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Israel has no more rights to the lands taken in 1967 than Saddam did to taking Kuwait |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 04:30 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. nonsense, UNRES 242 doesn't state that Israel must retreat behind 1949 armistice lines |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. You are just trying to rationalize the existence of settlements in Judea and Samaria |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. yeah right, so what would be the difference if Israel retained parts of the W.Bank surrounding |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Sorry, you only get one half of the Jerusalem enchilada |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. the barrier is temporary and control of E.Jerusalem was already offered 9 years ago |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. It's those half-a-million peoples' presence that has been causing the wars |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 04:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. nonsense, there were no settlers before 1967 so what started that war? |
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Sezu (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. the propaganda that it's the settlements which cause EVERY |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Your post admits two things |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. LOL, happy delusions! |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. I used to think it would never be "progressive" |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. That's not what people who back Palestinian self-determination support, and you know it. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. but your solution is to replace Israeli occupation with foreign occupation |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Your response is a non-sequitor, it's the old "it's all the 'Palestinian leadership's fault" canard |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. again, your solution just replaces Israeli occupation with another foreign one |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. The truth is |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Keeping them under occupation doesn't protect them from "living like that" |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. You want another Islamist country |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. YES. Turn the settlements over the the Palestinians. It's their land. And the buildings will be a |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Pssttt...chimpy's gone. |
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catbert836 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
56. Israel supporters should not be mortified |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
57. ending the settlements is official US policy now |
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IDFbunny (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Nope. |
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