A good start

[rini]

Israel permitted 10,000 Palestinian laborers to cross from the Gaza Strip into Israel Sunday for the first time since a deadly suicide bombing in Haifa on Oct. 4 killed 21 people.
Israel began easing restrictions on the Palestinians Thursday when it allowed some 4,500 West Bank laborers and merchants to go to work in Israel

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1067749433785&p=1008596981749


comment> if these workers don't fall in line with Hammas and IJ, there is hope.

[La_Serpiente]

1. OH my goodness, there is so much hope

If this succeeds, imagaine how much there could be.

A newfound hope, a newfound glory
An everlasting peace, an everlasting story.

[TimeLord]

2. Only if both sides work to that end.

However, given the history of both sides, it doesn't look promising.

"It is a miracle from God because I was running out of money due to the holy month of Ramadan and I was thinking how I would manage to feed my children in this very bad economic situation," said Mohammed Salman, a 42-year-old construction worker who has seven children.

This man depends on his work to feed his children yet he depends on an occupying power to provide him work. Peace will be acheived when both sides look at each other as equals, not pawns.

[Muddleoftheroad]

3. Jobs in Israel

Again, it is clear that the Palestinians need the good will of Israel. I wish they could see that. Failing that understanding, there should be no jobs in Israel for Palestinians, no travel in Israel. Nothing.

[bluesoul]

4. Wrong

And who will do all those kind of (dirty) jobs that Israelis don't Muddle? Israelis NEED the Palestinian labour, something you fail to comprehend. What jobs are the Palestinians doing? Sure they can send them all out, but then Israel will be the one with the problems, don't fool yourself. Just as many other countries (including the USA) are dependant on immigrant workers. I am surprised you could not see the obvious...

[Muddleoftheroad]

6. Migrant workers

Actually, Israel doesn't need the Palestinian labor at all.

In recent times, Israel has been flying in labor from places where people don't like to blow up Israeli civilians. It might have a higher base cost, but the benefits are obvious. And the long-term costs might even be less. Less money spent on internal military for instance.

No group of people who are NOT citizens of one nation have a right to a job in that nation unless specifically told they do.

[bluesoul]

9. Muddle

You're living in self-denial. You should ask those Israeli that badly need the working force for all those (low paid) jobs that Israelis just don't want to do...

[sabbat hunter]

21. actually

many of the jobs formerly held by palestinians are now held by workers brought in from other countries.
would it be easier and more convienent to use palestinians, of course. but they are not the current first choice due to the suicide bombings.
a great majority of the palestinians are not or do not support terrorists. but unfortunately they all suffer a bit due to the terrorists idiocy
i think that if israel can fill all the jobs previously held by palestinians by other foreign nationals that is their right to do so.


peace
david
:hippie:

[TimeLord]

5. Well, that just doesn't seem conducive to peace.

There will be violence, but to punish the population is not only intolerable but it also excaberates the problem.

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. Peace

So, in your vision of peace, Palestinians, even if they get a state, have a right to jobs in Israel?

[TimeLord]

10. Well, perhaps, considering it is there land, as well.

Why not?

[Muddleoftheroad]

11. Without opening the can of worms

If there is a peace agreement, there is no guarantee workers would be allowed to cross over to jobs. Just as there is no guarantee Indians can cross the border to Pakistan for jobs. Such things get negotiated. In the meantime, I think it is too much of a security risk to allow this.

[Adalah]

7. Economic co-dependence

is one of the few forces that is pushing the Israelis and Palestinians toward finding a way to co-exist. Israel wants the labor, Palestinians want the work.

[Muddleoftheroad]

12. Israel wants labor

But if the labor carries too many risks, they will go elsewhere and find labor.

[bluesoul]

13. Funny

Elsewhere would mean other Arab countries. Aren't those a threat to Israel as well? Don't they all hate Israel as you always claim?

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. Not Arab

Here is a link to a story with a decided ANTI-Israel slant (in case you wanted to doubt the source) that discusses Israel's use of Eastern European and Asian labor to offset the loss of Palestinian migrant workers. Israel does not need Palestinian labor. Palestinian labor currently needs Israeli jobs.

http://www.bambili.com/bambili_news_en/katava_main.asp?news_id=1221&sivug_id=2

[Adalah]

17. An interesting report

though not very flattering. But the article doesn't seem to indicate if employers can import enough of these migrant workers to fill the gap. There are also moral questions, assuming the article is accurate.

[Muddleoftheroad]

19. Importing workers

First off, they clearly CAN import enough. Eastern Europe realy isn't that far away. Israel is on the Med after all. As for the moral stuff, I deliberately chose an anti-Israel article. I'm sure like any system it is imperfect, but that's all.

[Adalah]

20. I was surprised to see

China mentioned as a source. I don't see anything in the article that indicates there are or are not enough of these immigrants to satisfy employers' demands. Also unclear if immigration restrictions limit their numbers below what employers would use. Of course, it's quite likely many are illegal as the article says.

As for the moral aspect, certainly that matters. This site is new to me, so I can't relly say how relaible it's criticisms of Israel are. I also didn't realize the extent to which Israel used these workers. Interesting.

[Adalah]

15. I'm not sure there is

a readily available labor force to replace these workers and the type of work they do. Obviously, Israel does a security/economic balancing act. The broader point, as I see it, is the mutual economic interests are one of the few positive forces at work here.

[Muddleoftheroad]

16. Please see post #14

nt

[Adalah]

18. lol

It seems my response time is a bit slow this morning.