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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:48 AM Original message |
The Goldstone Illusion |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. this article is a must read (another snippet) |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. Goldstone and the Rule of Law |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. from 'Rule of Law' article... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. The other side of the story |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. what do you think of the 3 paragraphs in post #1? |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. The Zionists hid weapons in synagogues in the leadup to 1948 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. pretty sad that you are downplaying Hamas' warcrimes that include using child combatants |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. what was the age of induction for the Palmach |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. don't know, you tell me......I have no problem with Israel being held accountable for HR's |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Uzi Narkiss |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 05:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. so that's it? all those serious war crimes in post #6 and you believe they're being dealt with? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. the claims you make have as of yet to proven |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. clear evidence of some of those claims are in post #17, why ignore them? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. yet more slight of hand? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
56. so 16-17 year olds are good ages for Hamas militants in your view and if killed, they qualify... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. You mean 16 and 17 year olds? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 05:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. no, younger than that - see post #24 |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. If a plane drops a bomb on a residential building |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. not according to the dictionary...... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Garbage |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. you don't like dictionary definitions?.....but i understand why. |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Perhaps we will need to place ourselves in the hands of our audience... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 02:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. i'm not one for 'group think"...i believe dictionary definitions should be kept to as a standard |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. I addressed your dictionary definition... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-11-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
81. sometimes....yes and sometimes no..... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 05:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
70. I'd like to weigh in. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-11-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. yes that defines it for me: |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. What happened at the mosque? Goldstone's report on this is garbage |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:15 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. you realize the IAF has aborted bombing bad guys when they knew the toll on civilians would be high? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. You mean when they were standing high on their rooftops? n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. not only has the IAF aborted when human shields (including children) were standing on rooftops... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. yes I do remember it was claimed that |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. im getting to enjoy the demonization... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Odd you only choose to translate half |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. yes i chose the demonization half..... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. actually you revealed nothing |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. yes it was an alternative......the usual one...that israelis are (or can be) demons |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. You seem to confuse opinion with fact n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. so the civilian to combatant ratios in post #1 are only opinion, not fact? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. yes they are |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. compared to USA and European nations in asymmetrical warfare, Israel still does better |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. a little off subject...but interesting to compare.. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. You have no credibility. I think most fair-minded DU'ers can easily see that |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. UN halts aid into Gaza after 'Hamas theft' |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. so what do you think about civilian casualty ratios in post #1? |
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bstender (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. obviously |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 05:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. so if it's obvious, then how's about an honest reply to posts #1 and #6? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Why bother? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. I'm not interested in factual, substantive discussion? It's in posts #1, 6, 17....why ignore that? |
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bstender (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Shira, because you are a shill |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. weak - now I'm a paid shill and part of the 'zionist conspiracy'? oooh....scary. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. To be fair to Goldstone. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Goldstone said he'd be fair and only look into Pal'n rocket launching at civilians... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. Another snippet |
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cqo_000 (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
5. Yawn, Israel committed war crimes, get over it! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. see posts #1 and #6 and then we'll talk war crimes, okay? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. Deleted message |
ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
13. Whitewashing the murders of 100s of kids, and hundreds more civilians must be EXHAUSTING. Poor Shira |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. it's about facts, not fiction - I'm interested in your thoughts on posts #1 and #6 above |
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bstender (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Shira sounds so honest and sincere |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 05:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. testing your honesty and sincerity - still waiting for a serious reply to posts #1 and #6 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Deleted message |
shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-09-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. parsing words? that's Goldstone's main "proof" of Israeli wrongdoing and it's full of holes |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
48. 12 page PDF: "A Careful, Critical Reading of the Goldstone Report" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
62. What happened at the mosque? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
63. Goldstone, I too am a war criminal |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. thanks what an interesting article |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. tsk, tsk....here's the paragraph before the one you quoted |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-05-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. well I suppose its "nice" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
67. Law professor clashes with Goldstone Report |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-08-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
68. Goldstone responds to CAMERA open letter |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-10-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
69. Hamas building 'offensive' tunnels |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
71. Between Goldstone and Gaza, what's one more zero? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
72. David Matas, The Goldstone Report: Stone or Gold? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
73. David Forman, Rabbis for HR, as well as other HR reps slam Goldstone |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-03-10 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
74. Goldstone still lying: claims no substantive critiques of his report, only personal attacks |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-05-10 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
75. VIDEO from Israeli TV: Goldstone, Lies, and Videotape - parts 1 and 2 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-05-10 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
76. VIDEO from CNN: Phone call Jan 2, 2009 during Gaza War regarding Hamas blending with civilians |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-05-10 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
77. Goldstone on Palestinian rocket fire |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
78. Then: Guardian Newspaper Slammed ‘Richard-Richard’ Goldstone Inquiry as ‘Rubbish Bin’ |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-11-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. About UN Watch: |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 06:42 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. misleading |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. The only thing here that is misleading, is UN Watch. n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
84. Dershowitz, THE CASE AGAINST THE GOLDSTONE REPORT: A STUDY IN EVIDENTIARY BIAS, 27/01/10 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:44 AM Response to Original message |
85. GOLDSTONE'S GAZA REPORT: PART ONE: A FAILURE OF INTELLIGENCE |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:45 AM Response to Original message |
86. GOLDSTONE'S GAZA REPORT: PART TWO: A MISCARRIAGE OF HUMAN RIGHTS |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-27-10 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
87. LEGAL MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION TO ERRONEOUS ALLEGATIONS AND FLAWED LEGAL CONCLUSIONS... |
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