Arab states oppose UN measure on Israeli children

[Herschel]

Arab nations will oppose an Israeli resolution condemning Palestinian attacks on Israeli children that is awaiting a vote this week in a U.N. General Assembly committee, a Palestinian diplomat said on Monday.

The Israeli resolution, pending in the assembly's Social, Humanitarian and Cultural Committee, mirrors an Egyptian-sponsored resolution adopted by the panel last week that demands Israel protect Palestinian children.

Palestinian envoy Nasser al-Kidwa said Arab delegates, meeting at U.N. headquarters, concluded the Israeli draft had been written "as a bad joke" and should be voted down.

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Arab nations oppose a resolution condemning attacks on Israeli children? Oh, my.

[Darranar]

1. And Israel voted against the resolution to protect Palestinian children...

different leaders, same intolerant junk.

On edit: The Israelis sabatoged their own resolution by doing so - and it is extremely likely that they knew it.

[Herschel]

3. The deaths of Palestinian children

are accidental.

[Darranar]

4. Why did I expect that answer?

[Herschel]

6. Perhaps

because it is the truth.

[Scurrilous]

5. The IDF...

..sure does have a lot of 'accidents.' Perhaps they need better training.

[Herschel]

Very well trained

They have been called the world's most moral army as well. Americans support them. Be glad.

[Darranar]

9. So why...

are there so many "accidents"?

Whether or not there was deliberate murder, it is very clear to me that there have been multiple cases of negligent care on the part of both Israeli soldiers and Israeli commanders.

[Muddleoftheroad]

7. Perhaps the Palestinians ought not to tolerate terrorists

Setting up shop in their midst and using children to hide behind.

[Scurrilous]

10. That's a tired canard.

There is noone hiding behind these children when they are shot. They are shot for strolling to close to a fence, tosssing a stone at a tank, or daring to defy a curfew. Not accidently either.

[Muddleoftheroad]

11. In a war zone

Parents should be more responsible for their children in a war zone and not let them attack enemy soldiers or go into areas where ANYONE is shot.

And the reason it remains a war zone is because the PA won't do anything about the terror network.

[Scurrilous]

12. Think about it...

...if the Israeli's erect enough settlements, bypass roads, fences, walls, and security zones in the West Bank and Gaza, someday maybe the entire OT will lie in close enough proximity to an Israeli emplacement that anywhere a Palestinian child dares walk will warrant a warning shot to the head from the world's most moral sentries. Of course it'll be the Palestinian's fault. They wont do anything about terror.

[Muddleoftheroad]

13. Think about it

If Israel does nothing about terror, then Israeli children get murdered all over the place.

The simple solution is for the Palestinians to do something about terror and eliminate the need for Israel to so.

That would mean the Palestinians could actually offer peace in negotiatons and maybe this mess would calm down get settled.

[Violet_Crumble]

15. Yes, those parents are so irresponsible!

Where exactly do you think these children should be, Muddle? Obviously not in their own homes, where some have been shot, not in schools, where some have been shot, and definately not playing outside, where some have been shot. What next? Claims that Palestinian parents should get sterilised so they can't have children who might one day throw a rock at a soldier or go outdoors to play? Instead of blaming the parents of children who are killed, how about examining the novel concept that IDF troops shouldn't be occupying territory that isn't part of Israel? If they weren't there, the danger to children would be minimised greatly. And while I totally disagree with yr stance on this, it should be pointed out that if you think parents should be more responsible for their children by not allowing them to go into areas where anyone is shot, then the same logic applies to Israeli settlers who deliberately move their children into a war zone...

If Israel viewed the Occupied Territories as a war-zone and the conflict as a war, I have to wonder why there's no POW's, just prisoners who Israel claim aren't covered by the Geneva Conventions...

Where the blame should go for the deaths of children in conflicts like this is fairly and squarely with governments who fuck around playing petty games when it comes to attempts to protect these children. It also lays with those who appear to place a higher value on the lives of children, depending on whether they're Israeli or Palestinian. Basic humanity in us all should raise us above all that petty crap of trying to justify diplomatic attempts to scuttle statements saying that children should be protected. There's no excuses and no justifications for claims that one group of children need protection while others don't. All children in this conflict should be protected as much as possible from violence, and instead of blaming parents, try blaming successive Israeli govts, the PA, and diplomats, none of whom seem to give a shit about protecting children...

Violet...

[bluesoul]

16. Bravo

Violet! :yourock:

[Muddleoftheroad]

19. More than anything

The parents tolerate a leadership in the PA that has done this to them. Aside from that, yes, the parents need to teach their children that, for instance, attacking soldiers can get you killed.

Whether you like it or not, the soldiers fill much of the role that police do in the inner city. There children would never think of throwing rocks at police, thank God. Why? Because their parents teach them better. I think just as much of Palestinian parents and expect just as much.

Sterilization? Isn't your sense of hyperbole just a little more bizarre than usual?

Yes, if Israeli troops weren't there, the danger to Palestinians would be less. The danger to Israelis, as the terror groups went completely unchecked, would be greater. Perhaps the Palestinian parents should recognize this.

Call it a war zone or a combat zone or whatever, but it sure as hell is even worse than some inner city neighborhods I've lived in. As such, it is up to the parents to teach their kids to stay out of harm's way as much as possible. And no, it is not a declared war, so the terrorists don't get special treatment.

The blame here should fall squarely on the PA for failing to shut down the terror, giving Israel no choice but to do it own its own.

[bluesoul]

20. As though every

Palestinian kid (not even talking about babies or those that hardly can walk) was throwing a stone or actually endangering anyone when they were killed. I am sure you know for every single one of them that they were involved one way or the other...

[Muddleoftheroad]

23. As though I said every Palestinian child was throwing a stone

I did not.

[Violet_Crumble]

22. So, the Palestinian people are to blame for the Occupation?

That's an interesting slant on things, Muddle. I wonder if you'd also blame the Afghan people for 'tolerating' the Taliban? And every parent knows that teaching yr children that something may kill them, whether that action is justified in being killed for or not (and throwing rocks is definately not something children should be killed over), kids being kids aren't little robots who listen to what their parents say all the time....

There is no comparison at all between the IDF and an inner-city police force in the US. Not unless the US is being occupied, and the 'police force' is military troops of the occupying power....

Nope, no sense of hyperbole. I was showing you where yr 'logic' of blaming of the parents despite the fact that children get killed in their homes, in schools, and while out playing, could lead....

Why should Palestinian parents recognise something just because you claim it's so? You haven't explained how you've come to the conclusion that if Israel wasn't occupying the Palestinian territories, there'd be more acts of terrorism in Israel. If the occupation ended and the Palestinian people had their human rights restored and gained self-determination, where is all this support for terrorist attacks on Israel going to come from? Is it along the lines of believing that Palestinians are inherently anti-semitic and destroying Israel is what drives them and not wanting their own state and freedom?

Sorry, but it's either a war or it's not. If it's a war, then prisoners of war should be treated according to the Geneva Conventions. You seem to be claiming that all prisoners are terrorists. If that's the case, does that mean you think that even legitimate resistance to the IDF is terrorism?

I think when it comes to laying blame, the culprits I pointed out was a much more even-handed and realistic list...

a little edit of a p.s. that I forgot to mention - I was thinking about this and my belief that all children should be protected is one where children are less worthy of protection based on what their parents do and don't teach them. I have no idea what's being taught to some Israeli children in those settlements, and has nothing to do with my thinking they deserve to be protected from harm just as much as every other child does....
Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. Blame

I think the list is pretty long as to who is to blame for the mess that both Israelis and Palestinians find themselves in. The list includes the UN, the Arab world, the U.S., the EU, as well as the Palestinians and Israelis themselves.

In a perfect world, children wouldn't get shot at all. But letting or encouraging children to tangle with soldiers who are being shot at and in fear of their lives is a recipe for disaster. It IS parental incompetence.

Of course, there is a comparison between the IDF and a police force. Both are the guys in charge and both have guns. To mess with either is a risk.

My conclusion about terror is obvious. Left unchecked, the terror groups would grow, recruit, plan and build. Israel can't and thankfully won't allow that to happen. The day the Palestinians acknowledge this will be a major step toward peace.

"If the occupation ended and the Palestinian people had their human rights restored and gained self-determination, where is all this support for terrorist attacks on Israel going to come from?" Well, since many Palestinians consider, "the occupation" to include ALL of Israel, that's a good start. Then there is the reality that if Israel pulled out today WITHOUT a peace treaty, the terrorists would gain power and expand their attacks.

Why does it have to be, "either a war or it's not?" Is the U.S. really at war with drug dealers? Nope. The same goes here. The terrorists are criminals. Nothing more.

As I have said about a million times, if the Palestinians chose to only fight the IDF, they would be a resistance, not terrorists. They have not done so.

[Darranar]

8. And, btw...

According to Haaretz all the resolution would do is call for Israel to protect Palestinian children. There's nothing wrong with that.

[burrowowl]

2. It looks

like the typical tit for tat that doesn't get either parties anywhere.

[Jack Rabbit]

14. Romeo and Juliet, 3.1.108-110

This is grotesque. Children are being killed on both sides and diplomats can't bring themselves to say those children should be protected. Don't these idiots think there's something wrong with children being killed?

I don't care if it is a war zone. I don't care if some of them are accidents. It's wrong. At least say so.

[Gimel]

17. the first Israeli resolution

since 1967. With the attitude of the Arab states, one can see why.
The Arab States make a mockery of the UN.

[bluesoul]

18. So does

the US and Israel. Veto after veto. Refusing to respect numerous resolutions and conventions...

[xchrom]

25. the mistake of creating israel

is the problem -- israel = a group insisting on occupying land already belonging to the palestinians.

[bluesoul]

26. That is a bit over the top

and I couldn't agree Xchrom... What is recognized as Israel is Israel and that is so. But everything else is land grabbing and occupation without dispute...

[Aidoneus]

21. hmm..

tinnypriv's posts in a previous thread appear as somewhat prophetic, but really just pointed out the obvious and likely.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=28846&mesg_id=28846&page=