IDF Forces Met with Pre-Planned Violence when Attempting to Board Flotilla, 31 May 2010

[Ian David]

IDF Forces Met with Pre-Planned Violence when Attempting to Board Flotilla, 31 May 2010

Early this morning, IDF Naval Forces boarded six ships attempting to break the maritime closure of the Gaza Strip. This happened after numerous warnings from Israel and the Israeli Navy that were issued prior to the action. The Israel Navy requested the ships to redirect toward Ashdod where they would be able to unload their aid supplies which would then be transferred over land after undergoing security inspections.

During the boarding of the ships, the demonstrators onboard attacked the IDF Naval personnel with live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs. Additionally one of the weapons used was grabbed from an IDF soldier. The demonstrators had clearly prepared their weapons in advance for this specific purpose.

As a result of this life-threatening and violent activity, naval forces employed riot dispersal means, including live fire.

According to initial reports, these events resulted in over ten deaths among the demonstrators and numerous injured, in addition, more than four naval personnel were injured, some from gunfire and some from various other weapons. Two of the soldiers are moderately wounded and the remainder sustained light injuries. All of the injured, Israelis and foreigners are currently being evacuated by helicopter to hospitals in Israel.

Reports from IDF forces on the scene are that it seems as if part of the participants onboard the ships were planning to lynch the forces.

More:
http://idfspokesperson.com/2010/05/31/idf-forces-met-with-pre-planned-violence-when-attempting-to-board-flotilla-31-may-2010/

[Eg-ptiangirl]

1. Liars

First it is not your borders
Second Gaza is not yours
Third you always lie

[shira]

19. If it's a lie, then how do you respond to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded#!

Looks pre-planned.

Turkey and the FGM should be held responsible, right? They sent people with known terror ties (IHH) on a mission to engage the IDF and therefore endangered the rest of the crew in doing so.

[WeDidIt]

2. IDF = Terrorist organization

No sympathy for terrorists.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. Israel = terrorist state

This was the final straw. Israel has made the world its enemy.

[WeDidIt]

4. Yep, I gave them the benefit of the doubt

even with their systematic starving of the Palestinian people, I was willing to give them some time.

But this bullshit is the end. Finito. Fuck 'em.

[activa8tr]

5. Yup, exactly what you said.

This is the end of treating Israel like a one of the civilized nations.

[Mosby]

79. Does it matter to you that no one is starving in Gaza?

Or are the actual facts unimportant at this point so long as Israel is demonized?

[shira]

85. There's no reasoning with hate.

[backwoodsbob]

89. yes and you hate Isreal

and there is no reasoning

[shira]

94. I'm not the one defending Jew hating warmongers itching to be martyrs for Hamas

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=315316&mesg_id=316095

Do you have a problem with FGM and Turkey allowing that on board?

[Eg-ptiangirl]

9. It was/is always like that

You were just lied to by propaganda.

[Mosby]

78. No one in Gaza is starving

I don't see how ridiculous OTT hyperbole advances your position, but carry on I guess.

[Tripmann]

145. They've just been 'put on a diet' - right Mosby?

“These gruesome figures show that Israel is literally implementing the policy described by Dov Weisglass, the advisor of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon when he said ‘the idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger’.

[WeDidIt]

151. UN says 60% are starving

So the OTT hyperbole is all from the pro-extermination of Palestinians side.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

6. +1

[jonnyblitz]

36. I agree. nt

[chrisa]

7. This was a pre-planned hit by the IDF.

They are embarrassed by these aid ships, and wanted to teach them a lesson.

[azurnoir]

15. yes it was they were saying last week that they planned to

use deadly force "if necessary"

[shira]

42. well that explains the video of IDF commandos coming down from choppers...

...and getting their asses kicked while they were holding toy paintgun rifles.

:eyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded

[azurnoir]

57. From idfnadesk LOL n/t

[chrisa]

61. Straight from the IDF.

Notice how they don't show the teargas and bullets being fired before the ship was boarded.

[shira]

68. I call bullshit. Where are the bullets being fired before boarding the ship?

No fucking way.

And we're all to believe that suddenly after these bullets were fired - of which there's conveniently zero footage - that dozens of "peace activists and humanitarians" just found some metal pipes and knives and started to go to town on commandos boarding the boat, who for some odd reason weren't firing on their way down to the lynch mob?

:eyes:

[shaayecanaan]

88. Convenience...

"And we're all to believe that suddenly after these bullets were fired - of which there's conveniently zero footage"

Convenient indeed.

News organisations call on Israel to lift information blackout:-

www.imemc.org%2Farticle%2F58817&rct=j&q=gaza+flotilla+blackout&ei=mp4FTLXBL8qLkAXUi5m2DQ&usg=AFQjCNHoueGDDaezgcbPZHh4OV_jH0x51A&sig2=LW_22AUe13eN2CK_Y7uoHA

All activists remain in detention:-

www.ynetnews.com%2Farticles%2F0%2C7340%2CL-3897346%2C00.html&rct=j&q=gaza+flotilla+remain+detention&ei=gZ8FTMSlHoHQcbSzlPQE&usg=AFQjCNFWa7YceUS5wgrupZKbe5n_3pI8ug&sig2=4p4dXq41iqnz6su4LjShfg

[shira]

101. yeah, convenient despite all the video cams FGM brought, all damning evidence is against them

[shaayecanaan]

112. Which video cams?

You mean the video cams belonging to the activists currently in Israeli detention? Somehow I'm not sure that they enjoy unfettered access to al-Jazeera to be able to supply their footage. Can't say I'm too confident they even have access to the cameras that they had with them, either...

[chrisa]

104. Al-Jazeera footage.

Two were down before the ship was even boarded (on edit: possibly not true). The IDF was firing tear gas, along with real bullets, even when white flags were being flown.

Yes, as soon as the IDF started firing bullets, the protesters should have ran inside. However, the IDF provoked the incident by firing needlessly on civilians that had not yet attacked them.

(This is forgetting the fact that the boarding of the ship in the first place was an uncalled for, unprovoked, blatently illegal act of aggression.)

Edit: Possible video. Al-Jazeera (?) reporters on the ship.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0531/raw-video-reporter-claims-israelis-fired-activists-boarding-ship/

[shira]

105. And where's the video of this?

[chrisa]

109. I rewatched video. I was wrong.

Perhaps you are correct. Hopefully a neutral party will do an investigation on these claims that are flying back and forth.

I am willing to admit that the actions of both sides are extremely fishy. I stand by the fact that IDF deserves the blame for this incident. However, I seemed to have fallen into the trap of reading biased crap and taking it for fact. It happens. :)

[whosinpower]

81. It also explains why they attempted to board at 4.30AM

And use a covert commando group.

4.30AM - in the dark, for the element of surprise and to keep those journalists on board from reporting what actually went down.....that was from an Israeli spokesperson.

Now - this begs another question....if the operation was lawful - why would there be the need to keep what actually happened from being reported to the world?

I think the flotilla had a specific purpose - and Israel provided exactly what the organizers were intending....This horrific action has shed light on the Gaza blockade, and Israel's actions. As usual, Israel sympathizers blame Hamas...Hamas did not kill those activists. And what of the evil cargo that had to be taken....toys, wheel chairs, medical supplies, food....nothing of which is not available to the people of Gaza....and then the spokesperson claims that this is proof that it was not a humanitarian mission....huh?

There is only one thing Israel can do to clean up this muck up. Apologise. Make reparations.

[Tripmann]

8. Love the source

IDFSPOKESPERSON.COM

:rofl:

[shira]

26. What do you think about the source based on the video in post #11? (nt)

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[shira]

11. Facts don't matter to the Israel hate brigade

Here are some of the "humanitarian peace" activists chanting death to the Jews (invoking Khaibar, the last Jewish town destroyed in 7th century Arabia) just a few days prior...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded

Notice the lady at the end saying she'll either be a martyr or make it into Gaza.

Israel had every right to board a ship that hosted IHH terror members (recognized as such by the USA, with both Hamas and al-Qaida ties). If anything, Turkey and the FGM should be held accountable provoking this incident and putting innocent lives of other civilians on the boats in danger.

[LakeSamish706]

12. Israel had no right to board these ships in International waters. My hope is

that another flotilla is launched and that the Turkish Navy escorts it.

[henank]

16. San Remo Law says they are totally entitled to board

The San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994: states:

SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

Bottom line: Israel had every right to interdict and apprehend the flotilla. This was a textbook example of the application of these principles of international law.

[shira]

18. Hate is blind. San Remo applies to all other nations besides Israel, obviously. (nt)

[Ignis]

34. So you applaud the British boarding of the Exodus in '47?

[shira]

41. You're seriously comparing pro-Hamas (IHH) types from post #11 to Exodus passengers?

[Ignis]

45. Did I respond to post #11 or post #16?

I'll thank you to stop putting words in my mouth, despite your agenda.

[azurnoir]

59. Oh she does that habitually

and note also she keeps attention focused on her and her posts

[shira]

67. no, it's sickening to link the thugs from the video in post #11 from IHH to the Exodus Jews

[Ignis]

70. And who made that comparison, exactly?

Other than you, of course.

[shira]

73. Why did you bring the Exodus into this?

[Ignis]

76. Because. I. Was. Responding. To. Post. Number. Sixteen.

Read the fucking post: It's discussing international law regarding naval blockades.

:banghead:

Given that the efforts for the foundation of the the state of Israel were intensely aided by public outcry over the boarding of the Exodus, I'd say it's rather relevant.

What it does not mean, however, is that you get to put words in my mouth. :hi:

[shira]

83. Using the holocaust as a parallel - and a bad one at that - is disgusting

[Ignis]

102. You know what's really disgusting?

Military violence against civilians who are carrying humanitarian aid to a starving population.

:thumbsdown:

But do please explain how I'm "Using the holocaust" as a "bad" parallel here. We're discussing maritime law, because defenders of Israel's violent boarding of the Turkish ship are ever-so-quick to throw up the letter of maritime law (rather than the actual practice).

[shira]

107. What's disgusting is Turkey and the FGM allowing Jew hating warmongers on board

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded

FGM could have refused to board with these nasty fucks.

Turkey could have warned Israel of what to expect.

Seems Israel bought into the peace and humanitarian mission that everyone was peddling. Had they known what was really up, this could have all been avoided.

And there is no starving Gazan population.

Neither was this a humanitarian mission, as Great Berlin admitted (it was to break the siege).

You could have used other maritime blockades as parallels. I'm pretty certain you would never mention the Exodus in explaining the Turkey/Azerbaijan blockade of Armenia 20 years ago.

[Tripmann]

149. Name calling and baseless accusations, thats all you have shira

Why don't you take it over to a board where hatred trumps proof?

[shira]

155. What name calling and baseless accusations? You don't have a problem with this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk

I'm wrong to call these warmongers "jew haters"?

Am I wrong to hold Turkey and the FGM accountable for allowing this filth on board?

Seriously?

[Ignis]

152. "Jew-hating warmongers?" = You have jumped the shark.

I don't waste time debating reality with crazy persons. I drop a dollar in their cup and keep walking.

:hi:

[azurnoir]

75. well that is your opinion

but I myself wonder why I never thought of it before I must be slipping

[azurnoir]

58. So you claim Israel and who Turkey are at war? n/t

[shaayecanaan]

95. Complete and utter bullshit

It was not a merchant vessel, therefore that provision does not apply. It was a humanitarian vessel.

Even humanitarian vessels sailing under an enemy flag are exempt from attack:-

47. The following classes of enemy vessels are exempt from attack:

(a) hospital ships;
(b) small craft used for coastal rescue operations and other medical transports;
(c) vessels granted safe conduct by agreement between the belligerent parties including:
(i) cartel vessels, e.g., vessels designated for and engaged in the transport of prisoners of war;
(ii) vessels engaged in humanitarian missions, including vessels carrying supplies indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, and vessels engaged in relief actions and rescue operations;

Even in the case of merchant vessels, certain goods are prohibited from capture:-

149. In order to exercise the right of capture referred to in paragraphs 146(a) and 147, the belligerent must have published contraband lists. (NB: ISRAEL HAS NOT) The precise nature of a belligerent's contraband list may vary according to the particular circumstances of the armed conflict. Contraband lists shall be reasonably specific.

150. Goods not on the belligerent's contraband list are 'free goods', that is, not subject to capture. As a minimum, 'free goods' shall include the following:

(a) religious objects;
(b) articles intended exclusively for the treatment of the wounded and sick and for the prevention of disease;
(c) clothing, bedding, essential foodstuffs, and means of shelter for the civilian population in general, and women and children in particular, provided there is not serious reason to believe that such goods will be diverted to other purpose, or that a definite military advantage would accrue to the enemy by their substitution for enemy goods that would thereby become available for military purposes;
(d) items destined for prisoners of war, including individual parcels and collective relief shipments containing food, clothing, educational, cultural, and recreational articles;
(e) goods otherwise specifically exempted from capture by international treaty or by special arrangement between belligerents; and
(f) other goods not susceptible for use in armed conflict

[backwoodsbob]

91. and if the same situation

I hope Israel sinks every ship

[frylock]

156. of course you do

[sabbat hunter]

157. according to international law

and your interpretation of it, Israel did indeed have a right to board it.

According to international law, in a time of war, if a country is blockaded, the country doing the blockading has a right to board any vessels attempting to run the blockade.

for all intents and purposes Israel and Hamas (whom are the government of Gaza) are at war.

[azurnoir]

14. Yawn is honesty just beyond you?

your LIES are so easily provable as such

list of organizations the US considers as terrorist

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) (International, Palestinian)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) (Philippines)
3. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades|Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (Palestinian)
4. Al-Shabaab (Somalia)
5. Ansar al-Islam (Iraqi Kurdistan)
6. Armed Islamic Group (GIA) (Algeria)
7. Asbat an-Ansar (Lebanon)
8. Aleph (formerly Aum Shinrikyo) (Japan)
9. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) (Spain, France)
10. Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army (CPP/NPA) (Philippines)
11. Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA) (Northern Ireland)
12. Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Egypt)
13. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) (Palestinian)
14. Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami (HUJI-B) (Bangladesh)
15. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM) (Pakistan)
16. Hizballah (Party of God) (Lebanon)
17. Hizbul Islam (Somalia)
18. Islamic Jihad Group (Palestinian)
19. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) (Uzbekistan)
20. Jaish-e-Mohammed (Army of Mohammed) (JEM) (Pakistan)
21. Jemaah Islamiya organization (JI) (South East Asia)
22. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad) (Egyptian Islamic Jihad) (Egypt)
23. Kahane Chai (Kach) (Israel)
24. Kongra-Gel (formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party) (KGK, formerly PKK, KADEK, Kongra-Gel) (Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria)
25. Lashkar-e Tayyiba (Army of the Righteous) (LT) (Muridke, Pakistan)
26. Lashkar i Jhangvi (Pakistan)
27. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) (Sri Lanka)
28. Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) (Libya)
29. Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (GICM) (Morocco)
30. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK) (Iran)
31. National Liberation Army (ELN) (Colombia)
32. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF) (Palestinian)
33. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) (Palestinian)
34. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC) (Palestinian)
35. Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (QJBR) (al-Qaida in Iraq) (formerly Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad, JTJ, al-Zarqawi Network) (Iraq)
36. al-Qa’ida (Global)
37. al-Qa’ida in the Islamic Maghreb (formerly GSPC) (The Maghreb)
38. Real IRA (Northern Ireland)
39. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) (Colombia)
40. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA) (Greece)
41. Revolutionary Organization 17 November (Greece)
42. Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C) (Turkey)
43. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL) (Peru)
44. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC) (Colombia)

This page was last modified on 25 May 2010 at 20:19.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._State_Department_list_of_Foreign_Terrorist_Organizations

second list

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/terrorist-groups.cfm

[shira]

17. FAIL. The IHH was labeled a terror org by the US treasury dept in 2008

http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=2818289&ct=8416271

There's this too WRT Al Qaeda, as well as Hamas...
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e105.htm

Your outrage is misguided, to say the least.

[azurnoir]

20. Still lieing I see they are NOT on either list

the AJC is hardly a credible source in this

[shira]

23. The IHH is part of the 'Union of Good'. Looks like your sources lie.

http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/hp1267.htm

[azurnoir]

24. still lieing check out the US State dept list

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

are they also lieing?

[shira]

27. I cited the US treasury, which cuts off terror funding, freezes accounts, etc.

[azurnoir]

29. IHH is NOT mentioned in your link

here is the complete letter

Treasury Designates the Union of Good

Washington, DC-The U.S. Department of the Treasury today designated the Union of Good, an organization created by Hamas leadership to transfer funds to the terrorist organization.

"Terrorist groups such as Hamas continue to exploit charities to radicalize vulnerable communities and cultivate support for their violent activities," said Stuart Levey, Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence. "The U.S. Government will continue to expose and undermine the activities of charities working on behalf of Hamas and other terrorist groups. At the same time, we are working with the charitable sector to expand the range of legitimate alternatives for providing charitable assistance to the Palestinian people."

Union of Good was designated today under Executive Order 13224, which targets terrorists, terrorist organizations, and those providing financial, technological, or material support to terrorists, terrorist organizations, or acts of terrorism. Any assets the Union of Good holds under U.S. jurisdiction are frozen and U.S. persons are prohibited from engaging in any transactions with the Union of Good.

The leadership of Hamas created the Union of Good in late-2000, shortly after the start of the second Intifada, in order to facilitate the transfer of funds to Hamas. The Union of Good acts as a broker for Hamas by facilitating financial transfers between a web of charitable organizations--including several organizations previously designated under E.O. 13224 for providing support to Hamas--and Hamas-controlled organizations in the West Bank and Gaza. The primary purpose of this activity is to strengthen Hamas' political and military position in the West Bank and Gaza, including by: (i) diverting charitable donations to support Hamas members and the families of terrorist operatives; and (ii) dispensing social welfare and other charitable services on behalf of Hamas.

Among the primary financiers of Union of Good projects are several organizations designated pursuant to E.O. 13224 for providing support to Hamas and other terrorist groups, including the International Palestine Relief and Development Fund (Interpal), Al- Aqsa Foundation, Comite de Bienfaisance et de Secours aux Palestiniens (CBSP), the Association de Secours Palestiniens (ASP) of Switzerland, the Palestinian Association in Austria (PVOE), and the Sanabil Association for Relief and Development in Lebanon. The Union of Good facilitates the transfer of tens of millions of dollars a year to Hamas- managed associations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Funds raised by the Union of Good affiliates have been transferred to Hamas-managed organizations in the West Bank and Gaza. In addition to providing cover for Hamas financial transfers, some of the funds transferred by the Union of Good have compensated Hamas terrorists by providing payments to the families of suicide bombers. One of them, the Al-Salah Society, previously identified as a key support node for Hamas, was designated in August 2007 under E.O. 13224. The Society employed a number of members of the Hamas military wing and supported Hamas-affiliated combatants during the first Intifada.

The Union of Good's executive leadership and board of directors includes Hamas leaders, Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs), and other terrorist supporters. The secretary general of the Union of Good, for example, also acts as the vice-chairman of the United Kingdom-based Interpal, which was designated in 2003 for providing financial support to Hamas under the cover of charitable activity. As of mid-2007, this official served on the Hamas executive committee under Hamas leader Khaled Misha'al.

Board members of the Union of Good include a West Bank Hamas member, and Abd al­Majid al-Zindani, a Yemen-based Hamas fundraiser who was designated pursuant to E.O. 13224 in 2004 for providing support to al-Qaida. In 2006, Zindani delivered a fundraising speech at a Hamas conference in Yemen where the crowd pledged millions of riyals for Hamas.

The United States is also actively working with the Arab-American community and other interested donors to provide alternate relief mechanisms to the Palestinian people as we take action against the HAMAS charitable infrastructure.

Identifying Information

UNION OF GOOD
AKAs:
Charity Coalition
Coalition of Good
I'tilaf Al-Khair
I'tilaf Al-Khayr
101 Days Campaign
Etelaf Al-Khair

Address:
P.O. Box 136301, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia 21313

-30-

[shira]

46. Here's more on the IHH, and how Turkey knew what they were sending to Israel

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2010/06/shooting_the_messenger_a_look.php

[azurnoir]

49. shira the US State department does not have IHH on it's list

end of story all of your links have been created far too recently too taken seriously

[shira]

62. LOL...right, it just doesn't count that the US Treasury Dept lists IHH as a terror org.

[azurnoir]

30. also the letter is over 2 years old

and IF IHH was somehow connected all they had to do was break ties

[shira]

38. LOL....so tell me

The people in the video from #11.

Peace activists on a humanitarian mission?

Or hateful warmongers that Turkey and the FGM should have prevented from going?

[shira]

64. where'd you go, Az? Once again...

The people in the video from #11.

Peace activists on a humanitarian mission?

Or hateful warmongers that Turkey and the FGM should have prevented from going?

[Mosby]

82. Your not going to get a reply

The video does not agree with the anti-Israel talking points, so it must be fabricated by the zionist occupiers of Palestine (better known outside of DU as the Israelis)

[shira]

84. Yeah, can't let the facts interfere with good old Israel bashing (nt)

[azurnoir]

114. hate to disappoint but she and now you just did

so do you approve of shira's complete dishonesty up thread?

[shira]

117. Where's this "complete" dishonesty? The US Treasury recognizes the IHH as part of a terror group?

And why don't you answer the question about these humanitarian "peace activists"?

No condemnation?

[azurnoir]

119. LOL n/t

[shira]

126. LOL. You're still obfuscating. Peace activists or warmongers, Az?

[azurnoir]

113. remember this started because you were once again caught lying

When you can be honest for once get back to me eh?
you still have not explaned why Al Jazeera would not have its logo anywhere on the video including the mic the "reprter" was using when you can do that maybe we'll talk

[shira]

115. Looks like you're the only one lying here. Point exactly where you claim I'm lying or apologize

[azurnoir]

120. anyone reading this thread can find it

IHH is not on the US list of foreign terror organizations that is the 2010 list BTW unlike your 2008 Treasury letter are you claiming that the State Departmet and Treasury Department keep separate lists?

[shira]

122. so my "lie" is that the US Treasury Dept doesn't speak for the US on terror at all?

:rofl:

[azurnoir]

124. your lie was that IHH is considered a terror organization by the US n/t

[shira]

125. I didn't know the US didn't recognize its own treasury department's decisions.

US Treasury labels Union of Good (including IHH) as a terror org.

You owe me an apology.

[azurnoir]

128. Lol the treasury letter was 2 years old shira things change

I owe you nothing

[shira]

130. Wow, that's a pathetic response. Here's a list from today, June 1, 2010 from the US Treasury

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sdn/t11sdn.pdf

"Union of Good", which includes the IHH, is in there.

You still owe me an apology.

[azurnoir]

132. You are still aliar shira

the 455 page PDF chosen because it is difficult to copy and paste from is a list of individuals not organizations as you claim falsely shira

[shira]

134. Still as batty as ever....resorting to ad hominem name-calling since it's the best you can do

101 DAYS CAMPAIGN (a.k.a. CHARITY
COALITION; a.k.a. COALITION OF GOOD;
a.k.a. ETELAF AL-KHAIR; a.k.a. ETILAFU EL-
KHAIR; a.k.a. I'TILAF AL-KHAIR; a.k.a. I'TILAF
AL-KHAYR; a.k.a. UNION OF GOOD), P.O.
Box 136301, Jeddah 21313, Saudi Arabia

--------

See, that's an organization.

:eyes:

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As to IHH being under the Union-of-Good umbrella....
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/financing_0708e.pdf

See page 14 as the 36th group under Union-of-Good.

Of course, I know you don't trust anything Israeli or Jewish but I could give a shit, given you trust any source demonizing Israelis or Jews.

[azurnoir]

135. ah still no mention of IHH though is there?

this is the header from your PDF

OFFICE OF FOREIGN ASSETS CONTROL
SPECIALLY DESIGNATED NATIONALS AND BLOCKED PERSONS

[shira]

137. I just added it at the end of that last post so it looks like the lies are all yours now.

:hi:

[azurnoir]

140. getting desparate are we shira?

from your added PDF

Intelligence and Terrorism
Information Center
Israel Intelligence Heritage
and Commemoration Center
July 8, 2008
The war on financing terrorism: Defense Minister
Ehud Barak signed an order outlawing 36 global
“Union of Good” Islamic funds which raise money
for Hamas institutions in the Palestinian Authorityadministered
territories. The money supports
Hamas in building a political alternative to the PA
and maintain a terrorism-supporting system.
Part of a document seized by the IDF in Operation Defensive Shield (2002): the Union of
Good table lists the names of suicide bombers who carried out mass-casualty attacks against
the Israeli population. The document was used for arranging payments to the terrorists’
families through the Hamas-affiliated Islamic “charitable society”

it is an Israeli site not an American your original claim was that the US labeled IHH as terror organization, but we're used to your goal post changes

[shira]

141. Israel says IHH is part of Union-of-Good which US Treasury labels terrorists

That's good enough for me.

No lies.

====================

Not that I care what you think of any Israeli/Jewish source that doesn't meet your impossible standards.

You can't even admit the nasty Jew hating warmongers in the video aren't real peace activists, so really, who gives a shit what you think? You were shown a PMW take of Al-Jazeera and question that because it doesn't fit your "Israel=Baby Eater" worldview. Hate's blind. There's no reasoning with an irrational person such as yourself.

[azurnoir]

142. what has a Jewish source got to with anything?

but the US State Department does not list IHH as a terror organization period, that is good enough for me and I would think most reasoning people

[azurnoir]

133. Here is the header I did manage to get

OFFICE OF FOREIGN ASSETS CONTROL
SPECIALLY DESIGNATED NATIONALS AND BLOCKED PERSONS

not a list of organization but of people

[azurnoir]

129. Here is once again your Treasury letter

Treasury Designates the Union of Good

Washington, DC-The U.S. Department of the Treasury today designated the Union of Good, an organization created by Hamas leadership to transfer funds to the terrorist organization.

"Terrorist groups such as Hamas continue to exploit charities to radicalize vulnerable communities and cultivate support for their violent activities," said Stuart Levey, Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence. "The U.S. Government will continue to expose and undermine the activities of charities working on behalf of Hamas and other terrorist groups. At the same time, we are working with the charitable sector to expand the range of legitimate alternatives for providing charitable assistance to the Palestinian people."

Union of Good was designated today under Executive Order 13224, which targets terrorists, terrorist organizations, and those providing financial, technological, or material support to terrorists, terrorist organizations, or acts of terrorism. Any assets the Union of Good holds under U.S. jurisdiction are frozen and U.S. persons are prohibited from engaging in any transactions with the Union of Good.

The leadership of Hamas created the Union of Good in late-2000, shortly after the start of the second Intifada, in order to facilitate the transfer of funds to Hamas. The Union of Good acts as a broker for Hamas by facilitating financial transfers between a web of charitable organizations--including several organizations previously designated under E.O. 13224 for providing support to Hamas--and Hamas-controlled organizations in the West Bank and Gaza. The primary purpose of this activity is to strengthen Hamas' political and military position in the West Bank and Gaza, including by: (i) diverting charitable donations to support Hamas members and the families of terrorist operatives; and (ii) dispensing social welfare and other charitable services on behalf of Hamas.

Among the primary financiers of Union of Good projects are several organizations designated pursuant to E.O. 13224 for providing support to Hamas and other terrorist groups, including the International Palestine Relief and Development Fund (Interpal), Al- Aqsa Foundation, Comite de Bienfaisance et de Secours aux Palestiniens (CBSP), the Association de Secours Palestiniens (ASP) of Switzerland, the Palestinian Association in Austria (PVOE), and the Sanabil Association for Relief and Development in Lebanon. The Union of Good facilitates the transfer of tens of millions of dollars a year to Hamas- managed associations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Funds raised by the Union of Good affiliates have been transferred to Hamas-managed organizations in the West Bank and Gaza. In addition to providing cover for Hamas financial transfers, some of the funds transferred by the Union of Good have compensated Hamas terrorists by providing payments to the families of suicide bombers. One of them, the Al-Salah Society, previously identified as a key support node for Hamas, was designated in August 2007 under E.O. 13224. The Society employed a number of members of the Hamas military wing and supported Hamas-affiliated combatants during the first Intifada.

The Union of Good's executive leadership and board of directors includes Hamas leaders, Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs), and other terrorist supporters. The secretary general of the Union of Good, for example, also acts as the vice-chairman of the United Kingdom-based Interpal, which was designated in 2003 for providing financial support to Hamas under the cover of charitable activity. As of mid-2007, this official served on the Hamas executive committee under Hamas leader Khaled Misha'al.

Board members of the Union of Good include a West Bank Hamas member, and Abd al­Majid al-Zindani, a Yemen-based Hamas fundraiser who was designated pursuant to E.O. 13224 in 2004 for providing support to al-Qaida. In 2006, Zindani delivered a fundraising speech at a Hamas conference in Yemen where the crowd pledged millions of riyals for Hamas.

The United States is also actively working with the Arab-American community and other interested donors to provide alternate relief mechanisms to the Palestinian people as we take action against the HAMAS charitable infrastructure.

Identifying Information

UNION OF GOOD
AKAs:
Charity Coalition
Coalition of Good
I'tilaf Al-Khair
I'tilaf Al-Khayr
101 Days Campaign
Etelaf Al-Khair

Address:
P.O. Box 136301, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia 21313

http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/hp1267.htm

can you show us were IHH is mentioned please?

-30-

[Tripmann]

33. The state department designates terror organisations

and the IHH are not listed.

[shira]

37. And so does the US treasury dept.

[Tripmann]

43. So you can supply us with the official list of organisations designated terrorist by the treasury?

[shira]

44. The link in #23 from the US Treasury Dept isn't good enough?

[Tripmann]

47. No its not

It mentions the union of good, not the IHH.

Can you link to evidence that the IHH is part of the union of good?

All I can see are webpages created in the last week or so claiming a link (surprisingly enough :eyes: ) . Any official US sources?

[azurnoir]

50. There is no separate US Treasury list of terror groups

apparently for some strange reason the US Treasury takes the US State Dept. word for it :-)

[Tripmann]

51. Do a search on google, boys and girls

Every webpage claiming a link is less than 10 days old. The zionist propaganda machine has been in overdrive.

This is simply another instance of shira recycling the propaganda she's been spoonfed by her zionist websites.

[shira]

53. See this link on IHH and you'll find stuff on IHH from 4 years ago

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2010/06/shooting_the_messenger_a_look.php

Most of the 'dirt' on IHH comes directly from the Turkish government, not the US or Israel.

[Tripmann]

54. That page was created today

Post an official source, not your propaganda filth excusing a massacre

[shira]

69. Pay closer attention. It points to research from 4 years ago.

[azurnoir]

55. Most of the so called "dirt" is from some Danish outfit

and is from the '90's IHH has more recently guilty of giving aid to sumani victims and survivors of Fallujah

[Tripmann]

56. Exactly

Desecrating the memory of murdered aid workers before their bodies are even cold is just about the most contemptable stain on the good name of DU I've seen.

[shira]

63. Please - the article points to research from 4 years ago linking IHH to Hamas

That you'd excuse the complete filth within the video of post #11 says more of you than anything else.

Turkey deliberately sent known terrorists determined to engage the IDF and therefore put actual humanitarians in harm's way.

There's simply no excuse for you trying to divert attention from that.

[azurnoir]

121. getting a bit frothy there?

IHH is NOT on the US state departments list of terror organizations shira no matter what wild claims you make

[Tripmann]

148. You have no proof whatsoever that there was a SINGLE terrorist on board.

If you had you would have posted it to excuse ther slaughter of innocent aid workers.

Its actually been funny watching the most rabid supporter of israeli atrocities post such filth absolutely devoid of credibility whatsoever.

Please, post some more. Nail the casket lid shut on your contributions around here......

[azurnoir]

22. Official US State deptartment list od terror organizations

Current List of Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group
3. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
4. Al-Shabaab
5. Ansar al-Islam
6. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
7. Asbat al-Ansar
8. Aum Shinrikyo
9. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
10. Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army (CPP/NPA)
11. Continuity Irish Republican Army
12. Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)
13. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
14. Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami/Bangladesh (HUJI-B)
15. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
16. Hizballah (Party of God)
17. Islamic Jihad Group
18. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
19. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed)
20. Jemaah Islamiya organization (JI)
21. Kahane Chai (Kach)
22. Kata'ib Hizballah
23. Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK)
24. Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous)
25. Lashkar i Jhangvi
26. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
27. Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
28. Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (GICM)
29. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
30. National Liberation Army (ELN)
31. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
32. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
33. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLF)
34. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
35. Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (QJBR) (al-Qaida in Iraq) (formerly Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad, JTJ, al-Zarqawi Network)
36. al-Qa’ida
37. al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
38. al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (formerly GSPC)
39. Real IRA
40. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
41. Revolutionary Organization 17 November
42. Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
43. Revolutionary Struggle
44. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
45. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

edited to add link

but we're to take AJC's word for it have I got that right?

[grassfed]

13. Call to action from activist Caoimhe Butterly - Video please see

CAOIMHE BUTTERLY

[backscatter712]

21. Bullshit. n/t

[shira]

25. It's not BS. See the video in post #11. (nt)

[azurnoir]

31. a PalWatch prodution Lol

I see your being reduced to your usual BS waiting for the CAMERA link

[shira]

39. FAIL. It's from Al Jazeera.

[azurnoir]

48. OMG are you completely incapable of honesty?

it was posted to youtube by PalWatch which would IMO make it a PalWatch peroduction

[shira]

52. LOL....so you're charging PMW with faking coverage from Al Jazeera?

[azurnoir]

60. Usually Al Jazeera puts its logo on its vids

why not this one? oh and who did the translation of the ARABIC video?

[shira]

65. LOL...what evidence do you have that PMW has ever faked crap like you allege?

Pathetic.

[azurnoir]

72. I alleged nothing that was your own assertion

and due to that I noticed the oddity on the vid taking a second look, what is indeed pathetic is that after being proved a liar you continue to persist simply changing the subject in the "nothing to see here move along" vein or is it vain, its a tactic of yours that is quite familiar with the I/P forum and is actually quite comical so please do go on with it

[shira]

74. So what problem do you have with the video? How is it illegitimate? Please, do tell!

[azurnoir]

93. again did I say that? what I pointed out was that

Al Jazeera usually puts its well known logo on its vids, it seems absent on this one

do you think they're hiding something?

also some of commentators are saying the translation is quite inaccurate

[shira]

100. when you can prove something is really wrong with the video, let me know

[WeDidIt]

32. IT is bullshit

You just refuse to admit it.

[shira]

40. So the al Jazeera video is BS?

[activa8tr]

28. Question: Can't the IDF or whatever that army is called use TASERS instead of

live bullets?

[mod mom]

35. "Israeli commandos approached the ship, they were laying down suppressive fire (video)

Raw video posted to Youtube from the initial phase of the Israeli boarding of the Turkish vessel, Mavi Marmara demonstrates that as the Israeli commandos approached the ship, they were laying down suppressive fire and at that point killed two individuals aboard the ship. Even after the ship ran up a white flag, the Israelis continued to use live ammunition along with stun grenades and tear gas.

See Stephen C. Webster’s analysis of this video of the boarding:



If the crew and passengers of the Mavi Marmara were coming under fire and had taken casualties in the initial phase of the Israeli approach, that horror would help explain why some actively resisted the boarding and that in turn would explain the contextless snippet of video released by the Israeli army of Israeli commandos being fought as they commandeered the vessel. If the passengers thought the Israeli military had murderous intentions toward them, some would obviously attempt to forestall the boarding. It is also possible that there were no deaths on the other ships because they were boarded later and after the Israeli helicopter gunship crews had learned that suppressive fire during the initial approach was unnecessary and counterproductive, and so they ceased that tactic.

-snip
http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/historic-unsc-condemnation-of-israel-and-of-gaza-blockade-world-body-demands-release-of-aid-activists-ships.html

[hulka38]

66. These flotilla forces pre plan to break through the Israeli navy if confronted

in order to get their cargo to Gaza? Is that what you're asking us to believe?

[Prometheus Bound]

123. A mere tactical error.

They were under the mistaken impression that a crescent wrench, a pipe wrenches, kitchen knives and sticks could defeat one of the most powerful navies on earth.

Yes, that, it seems, is what we are being asked to believe by the Palestinian hate brigade.

[hulka38]

127. It never ceases to amaze me how low a bar Israel can set their propaganda

for American consumption.

[dipsydoodle]

71. News reporters who were on board don't support that that lie

The "clubs" were pieces of wood. not metal, grabbed at random and the only gun was one they took from an Israeli commando.

Such reports seem to originate from the commandoes who I'd say are actually in deep shit.

[Prometheus Bound]

77. The following day the IDF accused the activists of "lynching the soldiers".

What a sad propaganda site.

http://idfspokesperson.com/2010/06/01/recording-idf-soldiers-report-attacks-from-the-flotilla-activists-on-board-the-marmara-1-june-2010/

[Douglas Carpenter]

80. less there be any doubt here is a photo of their weapons cache

courtesy of ynet

[shira]

86. Yeah, some humanitarians and peace activists they turned out to be.

Nice pics of salad knives and chop sticks. How do you defend that, BTW? Peace activists and humanitarians itching to use those standard kitchen utensils?

:eyes:

It gets better though.

Like their Jew hating rants...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded

Defend that one also.

[Prometheus Bound]

98. Why would anyone here want to defend that ignorant disgusting rabble?

Why don't you try to defend it? How does that feel?

Your implication that all peace activists and humanitarians think like that puts you in their league.

[shira]

99. That's what the IDF had to deal with, and what Turkey and the FGM allowed on the boat

There's no defending it.

The crew, especially FGM, could have refused to board with those nasty fucks.

Turkey could have warned Israel in advance of what to expect so Israel could have prepared better and avoided all this.

[chrisa]

106. The people in that video are disgusting bigots.

However, the IDF was still not justified in boarding the ship. It was an unnecessary act of aggression, and an illegal one at that.

[shira]

108. So Turkey and FGM should have done something about them, right?

As for the legality of boarding the ship, see post #16 above.

[chrisa]

110. What weapons did they have?

I only saw kitchen knifes and a few pieces of wood.

If there were verified pictures of guns, or RPGs, that would of course change things. How is a kitchen knife a weapon of war? As for the blockade, any country can't just blockade any area they want. That doesn't make any sense. What if the US started boarding random ships at sea for no reason?

[shira]

116. You saw the video....you don't think FGM and Turkey had any idea what was in store?

Those knives were hardly for eating purposes.

How'd they get on board past Turkish/Greek security?

I guarantee you they'd never get past US, Israeli security.

[HappyCynic]

131. Definitely not knives you use to eat with but...

Most look exactly like knives you prepare food with - chopping vegetables, slicing meats, etc. When taking a ocean trip, you don't want to store a lot of prepackaged food, as that tends to be less healthy and take up a lot more space than fresh vegetables, frozen meats, etc.

[Prometheus Bound]

138. Exactly. Knives you would find in any ship's kitchen.

I worked on a small ship in Canada. The kitchen had far more knives than those collected for that photo.

None of them appear to be longer than the hammer or wrench. I have the same types of knives in my poorly equipped kitchen.

[shira]

139. check out the sword/knife 3rd from right

[HappyCynic]

143. May be a kirpan - a Sikh ceremonial dagger

It's possible it's a kirpan, a ceremonial dagger worn by some Sikhs. Without info on who the owner is/was it's hard to know for sure. Its shape is more suggestive of a ceremonial weapon than one actually meant for combat. And, if that's the only "major" weapon of the lot, that's a really poor "arsenal".
More info on the kirpan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan
From the wiki page:
The Kirpan (English pronunciation: /kɪərˈpɑːn/; Punjabi: ਕਿਰਪਾਨ kirpān) is a sword or dagger carried by many Sikhs. According to a mandatory religious commandment given by Guru Gobind Singh (the tenth Guru of Sikhism) at the Baisakhi Amrit Sanchar (a holy religious ceremony that formally baptizes a Sikh) in AD 1699, all baptised Sikhs (Khalsa) must wear a kirpan at all times.

Edited to add:
Also from the wiki page:
To the Sikhs, it is a highly important religious symbol; it is rarely used as a weapon.

Edited again to add:
The Scottish also have a ceremonial dagger: the sgian dubh, a knife originally for skinning animals but is now mostly ceremonial.
More info:
http://www.clanarthur.org/ScottishAttire.htm

[Prometheus Bound]

144. What the hell is that! Looks like a shark's fin.

I really doubt it's weapon, Shira. I was at a restaurant supply store last Thursday looking for a chopping block and they had all sorts of knives that look pretty mean with wicked curves and stuff, but they are for specialized jobs. They're not intended as weapons.

Shira, this is really stretching it. These are not weapons you would expect to challenge well-armed soldiers with.

[Ignis]

153. At least the IDF was smart enough...

...to remove the cleaver and the garlic press before taking this scary picture.

I know the next time I try to repel gun-toting pirates boarding my ship from a helicopter in international waters, I'm going to make sure I pack a "weapons cache" with sticks and knives!

[Prometheus Bound]

111. Oh, sorry, I confused that video with this one. I thought you were talking about the comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMzc1N1Cx3s&NR=1

They had been mentioned on another thread which I had open.

[Prometheus Bound]

87. That makes my basement workroom a weapons cache.

[shira]

90. Great. Even more defense of faux peace activists

[Prometheus Bound]

92. I somehow doubt real soldiers would be intimidated by my tools.

[Douglas Carpenter]

97. admittedly there have been times in which the Palestinians have done things I did not approve of

and I felt completely comfortable about saying that I didn't agree and almost every Palestinian supporter I knew said so too.

But this rationalization by so many "pro-Israeli" types of unjustifiable murder, hijacking, kidnapping in international waters has truly reached the level of cloud cuckoo land. :crazy:

If would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

[shira]

118. so when are you going to condemn this provocation to violence backed by Turkey and FGM?

[azurnoir]

147. shira why do you answer a poster you KNOW has you on ignore?

or at least you should as you have been told so repeatedly

[Douglas Carpenter]

158. that is correct...I do have that person on ignore and I certainly don't look to see what they have

say just out of curiosity. Hate-filled extremist give me angina and that is not good for me at my age.

One thing that has become utterly apparent since the hijacking and murder of the peace activist is that the benefit of the doubt I have been giving some other posters here has been completely misplaced. No one who justifies this action by the IDF is a reasonable person much less a moderate...that is ridiculous and simply batshit crazy.

Once I heard someone attempt to support a terrorist attack on the Jordan border against some Israeli children. I told the person that I have no respect for those who support intentionally targeting innocent children...the same goes for those for those who support this act of piracy and murder in international waters - I simply cannot respect their opinions. They are psychologically incapable of intellectual honesty.

[azurnoir]

163. agreed 101%

:hi: and angina isn't good for anyone no matter what age

[whosinpower]

159. When will you condemn the IDF for a botched "enforcement"

Here is the thing to think about. The IDF had choices. They could of chosen to enforce the blockade in the light of day - with all the camera's running to show their level headed response - but they didn't. They could of stated openly that the vessel would be inspected for weapons before being allowed to continue - but they didn't. Openly - transparently with some 60 odd journalists all recording their actions to verify. But they didn't.

They were firing before attempting to board in the middle of the night. They assumed riot control measures even before engaging with tear gas and concussion grenades. And because of this - you have the gall to blame Turkey?

Israel has lost ALLOT on this one. It could of been done so much better for all - and Israel would of gained so much by openly and transparently inspecting the flotilla and then once given the all clear - escorted them right to Gaza to be unloaded. That is what a respectable nation does. It would show empathy, and at the same time show level headed concerns regarding security. It would show flexibility and strength. Hamas would of gained nothing. Now Hamas gains sympathy and the world is rightly outraged. Shame on you. Shame on Israel for falling into this trap.

THINK before kneejerk reactions. That goes for both sides. Israel can and should do much better - I am only one person, but yes, I expect more from them.

[shaayecanaan]

96. My bedroom is a weapons cache if you count the CDs...

They were potentially lethal frisbees, I presume.

[Prometheus Bound]

160. You won't believe this. It seems your CDs are weapons according to the IDF.

Weapons found aboard the Mavi Marmara

Go to page 2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/israel-mfa/page2/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/israel-mfa/

[shaayecanaan]

161. Are they CDs or orbital grinder blades?

Hard to tell, but whichever they are may we be eternally grateful that the blockade of Gaza is keeping such illicit contraband out of the hands of terrorists.

The grinders don't appear to be cordless. It must have been rather difficult to use them particularly given that the boat probably only had 12volt power on board.

[Prometheus Bound]

162. Oh I see. Yes, they must be grinder blades.

Dangerous stuff.

[Ignis]

103. Yeah, they were going to smuggle guns, but then decided...

"Nah, fuck it, man! We'll smuggle some badass STICKS and KNIVES in our elite weapons cache!"

:rofl:

I'm amazed that people think this picture somehow excuses the murder of almost 20 civilians by IDF commandos.

:wow:

[IndianaGreen]

136. IDF is as truthful and criminal as British Petroleum

The bullies of the Middle East!

[TexasObserver]

146. By cover of darkness, armed, masked soldiers attacked a peace mission.

[WeDidIt]

150. "IDF Terrorists Pre-Planned Violence Against Humanitarian Aid Flotilla, 31 May 2010"

Fixed your headline for ya.

[ChangoLoa]

154. +1000 nt