Four Qassam rockets fired from Gaza towards Israel

[Fozzledick]

Four Qassam rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip towards Israel on Thursday evening.

Three rockets landed in open areas in the Western Negev region and one landed inside the Gaza Strip. No injuries or damage were reported.

Of the three rockets that landed in Israeli territory, one struck near Sderot while two hit the Ashkelon area.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/four-qassam-rockets-fired-from-gaza-towards-israel-1.294108

Looks like some "humanitarian aid" is still getting through the blockade.

[subsuelo]

1. Israel better execute some more peace activists then

Everyone knows Qassam rockets come from college students and human rights workers.

:crazy:

[aquart]

5. PEACE activists don't offer resistance.

Or is your definition of PEACE different from mine?

There was an admitted, pre-determined plan to offer resistance.

[tekisui]

6. Peace activists have a right to defend themselves against

thugs that are firing on them.

[tekisui]

7. dupe

[Fozzledick]

9. Anyone who calls them "peace activists" after seeing the video

has gone beyond the "Big Lie" technique into Orwellian double-think.

[subsuelo]

13. How many peace activists killed vs how many dead IDF?

Yet, the IDF was supposedly the poor victim?

Now we're talking Orwellian!

[Fozzledick]

15. Which ones were there to commit suicide?

Which side practices "martyrdom" tactics for propaganda purposes?

[subsuelo]

18. You can't possibly be serious.

That is - truly - the dumbest argument I think I have ever heard.

[Name removed]

29. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Fozzledick]

35. If you're gonna act dumb, I might as well rub your nose in it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV6DVk04HkM

[subsuelo]

37. Oh, a video on youtube that calls them "suicide activists"

well there we all have it. You've proven these peace activists were really on suicide missions by linking to a video that calls them "suicide activists".

That's really brilliant.

What else ya got?

[movonne]

27. Do you really believe what you said...if you do then you are seeing

the pictures differently than I do

[Chulanowa]

16. Peace acivists are not pacifists

Israel boarded the ship illegally with weapons drawn, and the people on board responded within their rights. The only thing they did wrong was use lawn chairs instead of firearms to subdue or eliminate the pirates boarding their ship.

[subsuelo]

11. Israel flew in with guns blazing, intending to murder them. n/t

[Fozzledick]

17. If that were true there would have been NO Israeli casualties.

Your attempts to fabricate a cover story may not be credible, but they do demonstrate desperation.

[subsuelo]

19. You talk about desperation?

Your whole argument apparently rests on the case that the murdered peace activists weren't really murdered - instead they committed suicide!

Now you charge others with desperation?

Wow. Just... Wow.

[Igel]

31. You have to understand the intent.

When they say "suicide" it's "suicide by soldier," essentially parallelling the handy expression "suicide by cop."

If the activists did attack soldiers they weren't very smart. It's not a leap to say that they intended a provocation.

Is it right? Dunno. Not taking sides on this one, except for the side that says, "Let's actually try to weigh the various claims and wait for data." I'm not going to be one who says, "Surely Israel wouldn't lie!" any more than I'm going to say, "Surely, peace activists wouldn't lie!" (Even if "lie" is probably not the best choice of words. It's easily possible to be mistaken, believe you're correct, and not be lying.)

[subsuelo]

43. Obviously it all comes down to a matter of trust.

I trust peace activists, professors and human rights workers any day over IDF Spokespeople. It's not that difficult a choice for me.

[EFerrari]

28. It is true and it's being reported all over the world.

This is just ONE source.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cQ69oKFtVg&feature=player_embedded

[Fozzledick]

44. Oh please, that doesn't even begin to make sense

If they had come in shooting they would have cleared the deck before landing fully armed.

I realize you're desperate to ignore the obvious facts, but it takes a shitload of double-think to swallow this tripe.

[proteus_lives]

40. "intending to murder them"

Then they would all be dead.

Sorry, go on with your rhetoric.

[Tripmann]

2. Not really Fozzledick.

Looks more like bibi's contention that executing foreign aid workers on flotillas stops rocket attacks is bullshit.

[Chulanowa]

3. You can make a qassam at home

All you need is a tube and a propellant. Ironically, it's not exactly rocket science.

[backscatter712]

10. Technically, it is rocket science.

Just very simple and crude rocket science. Of course, that's why the rockets can't hit anything. Israel routinely kills more people in one incident that Qassam rockets have killed EVER.

[Chulanowa]

14. Yeah, but it costs money to have workers scrub the scorch marks off the pavement!

Won't someone think of the Israeli tax monies?!

[Recursion]

58. Hell, the Confederates had a two-stage rocket

You just need metal, gunpowder, cotton, and nitroglycerine.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

33. Errr, not really. Some of the airframe is about it.

Hard part is the energetics

[tekisui]

4. Tit-for-tat. Here we go.

Israel reaps what they sow.

This time, though, I don't think the world has the stomach to watch Israel bomb the absolute hell out of Gaza again.

[aquart]

8. Yeah, they never once fired a missile into Israel before this.

Funny how your sympathies are so large and generous for the Arabs, and so non-existent for people who live day in day out with the threat of death simply because they exist in the place of their ancestors.

[tekisui]

12. Spare me.

I watched Israel level cities in Gaza. A few criminals launch a few rockets, rarely killing anyone is no excuse for the Israeli terrorist actions. Israel invites it with the blockade. They breed anger and radicalize the people.

This is just further proof that Israel's policies don't work.

[subsuelo]

21. some of Israel's policies do work actually.

The policy of stealing land from the indigenous Palestinian people continues, for example.

[Ian David]

20. Amazing how most of these guys do nothing but post LOLCats & shit until something like this happens

... and then they emerge from The Lounge to vent their spleen in the Israel/Hammas forum.

Ever notice how many of them have NOTHING to post here unless it's about Israel?

[subsuelo]

22. You're right, people shouldn't get upset about peace activists getting executed by Israel

They should continue in The Lounge ignoring it.

[Tripmann]

24. .......says the fair and balanced Ian.

[movonne]

30. Oh yeah we are picking on poor, poor Israel...

:nopity:

[PCIntern]

61. I believe wholeheartedly that if some folks around here had

their druthers, it WOULD be "poor, poor Israel."

If somehow the Israelis were overwhelmed and massacred wholesale, and believe me, there wouldn't be one Jew left alive and there wouldn't be one Arab-Israeli land/business owner left alive)there'd be an explosion of LOL Cat posts (that was funny) and all that other shit in the Lounge again, the I/P Forum would disappear, and there'd be a lot of happy DUers.

That's what I think.

[Chulanowa]

34. Israel / Hamas? I thought it was Kach / Palestine!

[Hardrada]

23. So fucking what?

[Chulanowa]

25. No injuries or damage

But some Israeli dirt got scorched, which is just like the massacre of 19 people. Fuck, that's almost identical to the massacre of 6 million people, according to some like Fozzledick

[ProgressiveProfessor]

32. 19 people?

[azurnoir]

39. I think that was a typo

but are you taking time out from your "other" job editing wiki, you must have had a busy few days

[Hardrada]

49. I count 11 like him but one or two are oddly missing for

this particular atrocity.

[Wizard777]

26. In self defense of course. They probably heard Bibi's speech.

"Nations have a right to defend themselves." Then there that rant about how you would have to be crazy to not allow a nation to defend it's self. So Palestine is just defending it's self.

[IndianaGreen]

36. Who cares? End the Occupation!

The cold blooded execution of an American aboard the flotilla demands justice!

[azurnoir]

38. hmm how is it these "rockets" repeatedly cause no damage

but the report is conveniently timed I'll give you that much, let us know when Israel retaliates you know your daily feel good post

[Madam Mossfern]

41. Are you saying that the rockets

are purposely aimed so that they hit no people? Somehow I think that those launching them would wish otherwise; they just haven't been successful yet. But they will keep on trying. I find it a disingenuous argument to say that more Palestinians were killed than Israelis. I guess it's the same mindset as rooting for the underdog. If the Palestinians (Hamas) would have their druthers, more Israelis would be killed.

If the casualty count were reversed, would you be supporting Israel?
I think not.

[azurnoir]

46. an underhanded accusation of antisematism

how typical

[Madam Mossfern]

47. How is that an accusation of anti-semitism?

Are the rockets meant to say "Hello, how are you?"
What an absurd reply to reality. I said nothing about hating Jews.

It was to show that the argument is disingenuous, if there were more Israelis killed than Palestinians would they hold the moral upper hand? That makes absolutely no sense.

[azurnoir]

50. Then what was this

"If the casualty count were reversed, would you be supporting Israel?
I think not."

[Madam Mossfern]

51. You make the mistake

of confusing Israel with Jewish people in general. There are many Jewish people who disapprove of Israel's actions. No one has answered my question though. If the situation were reversed and more Israelis were being killed than Palestinians, would you think differently? The issue is that the number of casualties in a conflict does not determine who is right.

When people use specious arguments like that to prove their point, they have lost the debate. There are real concerns about the Palestinian territories and Israel's policies toward the Palestinians, but to bring this up only detracts from those.

Another question: Do you really think that those launching the rockets into Israel are not seeking to harm Israelis?

[Tripmann]

52. Quick question for you Madam Mossfern

These rockets are SO deadly that of the 8000 fired, less than 1% have caused fatalities, and in the towns closest to the border. Thats how much of a danger to the regional superpower these rockets are. Mondays execution of the aid workers killed more people than a years worth of hamas rockets.

Now. Is this THREAT TO THE STATE OF ISRAEL worth the death of hundreds of women and children during cast lead, the 3 year humanitarian crisis imposed on 1.5 million people, the majority of babies being born sick as a result, and the killing of humanitarian aid workers?

[Madam Mossfern]

53. Not the point

I have never defended Cast Lead, nor the prevention of goods being delivered to the Palestinian territories. I have never supported incursions nor the building of settlements. You are trying to use the argument of moral equivalency which just doesn't work. Again, I ask do you think that the Palestinians would not rather have these rockets more effective - do you think that they purposely don't kill Israelis?

Do you think that if they could, that the Palestinians would not build better and bigger rockets? Did I defend the shooting of those aboard the flotilla? Just because someone in not successful in their intended mission does not negate the purpose of the mission. If that were so, then the Palestinians who are firing the rockets are doing their own people a great disservice.

Yet again, no one has answered the question. It is a very simple one. If there were more Israelis killed, would you say the same? I am not talking about any other argument, only the one that claims that the Palestinians have the moral authority because more of them have been killed.

[shira]

54. Good luck getting any direct, honest replies here. Some of the participants here are so far gone...

....that they can't summon up enough courage to condemn the murderous thugs who, just days before the incident, invoked the killing of all Jews and then followed that up trying to lynch Jews enforcing a legal blockade.

You can't expect reasonable responses from people here who can't distinguish between real humanitarians and raging antisemitic thugs.

[Tripmann]

55. So your answer is 'not the point'

You'll be amazed how often we hear that around here.

[Madam Mossfern]

56. I guess there are lots of people

who prefer to obfuscate rather than deal with the question at hand. If you read my entire post, you would have found the answer to your question. Now, so far no one has answered my very simple and direct question.

If there were more Israeli deaths than Palestinian deaths, would you support Israel?

If you notice, I reworded it for those who may not have understood the question the few times I have asked it before in this thread.

[Tripmann]

57. Well my answer is no, because its about right and wrong, not body counts.

If I woke up tomorrow in topsy-turvy world to find the Israelis in the gaza ghetto under siege, and the palestinians killing aid workers/bombarding/shooting rock throwing jewish kids in the head etc., then YES, I would support the Israeli struggle for justice.

True liberals are blind to flag colours and religion, we are more concerned with equality and justice.

Is that answer good enough for you?

[Madam Mossfern]

59. If it isn't about body counts

then why is it brought up so often by those supporting the Palestinian cause?
I agree with you, it is not about body count, yet it is used so often to justify the rockets lobbed at Israel. Do you think that a nation should just ignore rockets being launched into it by a neighbor merely because not many people have been killed? At what point is defense legitimate? Three people killed by rockets? Five? Fifty?

[Tripmann]

60. It always amazes me how people completely view israel as the victim.

Its like....'Once upon a time, Israel was delivering toys to the palestinian childrens orphanage and the mad evil terrorists started firing rockets at them.'

And the reason body counts isn't mentioned when mentioning the israeli cause with respect to whats currently happenng is because they pale in insignificance compared to the toll of dead women and children from OCL. Rest assured, we would be getting bombarded by the israeli propaganda machine with the number of dead israelis rather than rockets fired.

Y'know, anybody I'm talking to face to face can never tell me the number of israelis killed by hamas rockets, only the nice round 8,000 rockets fired figure. Sounds so much more a threat warranting bombardment.

[Madam Mossfern]

62. Did I say Israel was the vicim?

It's amazing what people assume without thinking.

My statement was that those rockets are not launched as just a political statement, they are intended to harm people. Just because they aren't successful does not change their intent. I did not say that justifies OCL or brutal behavior of any party.

Guess what, if you were talking to me face to face I wouldn't be able to give you a number of rockets either, but now that you made a point of saying 8,000, I guess I know.

on edit: I guess I should ask you this too. At what point is Israel justified in defending itself? Five deaths? Fifteen? Fifty? Do you think that any nation should tolerate rocket attacks from a neighbor?

[Posteritatis]

48. Oddly enough, small, amateur-built rockets can occasionally miss stuff. (nt)

[Hugabear]

42. Time for Israel to murder a few hundred civilians

Just like last time.

[Recursion]

45. Looks like the blockade doesn't stop Hamas from re-arming

The blockade isn't about preventing rockets, it's about changing the political will of the Gazans. Or getting Shalit back. Come to think of it there have been a lot of explanations of it.

[Recursion]

63. Unguided rocket attacks are morally wrong and operationally disastrous

Hamas needs to finish getting rid of the rocket-firers, even if that means purging some of their own (though historically this has been Islamic Jihad's bag).