The Brownshirts of Our Time

[drdon326]

(ed. note: yes its from a conservative mag..but its a great
article so save your breath)

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10882

"If you're really asking about apartheid, let me talk about it. Contrary to myth and propaganda, Israel is not an apartheid state. The largest practioner of apartheid in the world is Islam which practices both gender and religious apartheid. In terms of gender apartheid, Palestinian women--and all women who live under Islam--are oppressed by "honor" killings, in which girls and women who are raped are then killed by family members for the sake of restoring the family "honor;" forced veiling, segregation, stonings to death for alleged adultery, seclusion/sequestration, female genital mutilation, polygamy, outright slavery, sexual slavery. Women have few civil, legal, or human rights under Islam."

I continued; "Islam also specializes in religious apartheid as well. All non-Muslims (Christians, including Maronites and Melkites, Greek Orthodox, Catholics and Protestants, Jews, Assyrians, Hindus, Zoroastrians, animists) have historically been viewed and treated as subhumans who must either convert to Islam or be mercilessly taxed, beaten, jailed, murdered, or exiled. The latest al-Queda attack in Saudi Arabia was primarily directed against Lebanese Christians and Americans."

I continued. "Today, the entire Middle East is judenrein, there are no Jews left in 22 Arab countries. And, the Arab leadership has backed the PLO strategy in which the 23rd state remains under constant and perilous siege. Historically in general, but specifically since 1948-1956, Arab Jews were forced to flee Arab Islamic lands. Most are living in Israel, the only Middle Eastern state in which Jews are allowed to live. Jews cannot become citizens of Jordan, Egypt, or Saudi Arabia, for example and yet no one accuses those nations of apartheid.

I said that Israel was not an apartheid state. I talked about real gender and religious Apartheid, as practiced by Muslims. I told the truth. Clearly, they had not heard it before. The audience collectively gasped. Then, people went a little crazy.

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great article.

[bluesoul]

1. Frontpagemag?

The bastion of anti-Muslim Palestinian hating conservatives. Oh please. Your choice of articles and sources continues to amaze me...

My comment regarding FPM is :puke:

[SlavesandBulldozers]

2. it seems more likely

that the problem is apartheid everywhere in the middle-east, and the current violence is a result of conflicting apartheids. to say that the Israelis do not support apartheid is ridiculous, and to correctly identify that the arab middle-east promotes apartheid does not mean that Israeli apartheid is any more justified.

[Suzette]

5. Did somebody bring up the "A" word?

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One official Israeli position against the allegation of apartheid is that the disputed policies against Palestinians are in place because of security-related reasons, and will be removed when circumstances change. The use of harsh techniques, and even torture, which constitutes a crime against humanity, against Palestinians are supported in order to minimise the risks of terrorist attacks, and crimes against humanity against Israelis.

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http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid



Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens with voting rights and representation in the government. Under apartheid black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they are the overwhelming majority of the population.

The situation of Palestinians in the territories - won by Israel in a defensive war forced upon it by its neighbors - is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, have forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip that are not necessary inside Israel's pre-1967 borders. The Palestinians in the territories, typically, dispute Israel's right to exist whereas blacks did not seek the destruction of South Africa, only the apartheid regime. Yet Zionism itself, and not only the current policies of the Israeli government, is constantly accused of being equivalent to apartheid simply because it represents a national emancipation movement which differs from others in being Jewish.

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http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/apartheid.html

[Violet_Crumble]

7. Yahoodi??

That site is full of anti-Arab crap and anyone who takes seriously what it has to say on apartheid in the Occupied Territories may as well waste their time trying to get something intelligent on the issue out of a two year old....

Security is way over-used as an excuse to do horrible things to people, and it doesn't cut it as an excuse for what is apartheid practices in the Occupied Territories. How is building illegal settlements all over the place increasing security for Israel? Same question goes for those Israeli-only bypass roads....

Violet...

[Suzette]

12. I'm not familiar with either of my sources;

google is my guide!

Please tell me: is http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid as biased?

Thank you.

[Violet_Crumble]

13. Well maybe you should familiarise yrself with them...

Especially in this forum. Some sources are much less credible than others, and some are full of hatred towards Arabs/Jews...

I didn't call yahoodi biased. I called it a site full of anti-Arab crap. I'm a bit confused as to why you need someone else to point out to you that wikipedia doesn't contain the same racism. It's fair to muddling when it comes to giving information, but the main problem it has is the same as most encyclopedias. It just gives a not too detailed snapshot of some things...


Violet...

[bluesoul]

15. One thing is for sure

Frontpagemaf is one of the last sources here to be taken credible. It's not only RW it's extreme rightwing and one need only to scroll through some of the articles and people writing for them. I rest my case...

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[Gimel]

31. Security

...is rarely overused, imo. Tell it to any nation that has suffered multiple attacks. Tell it to the Turks, who are now sorry they weren't more security conscious.

The by-pass road was an idea from abroad to eliminate conflict, but allowed the terrorists to be more sure of a target. It proved to be the opposite of secure. That's why the idea has been abandoned.

[Classical_Liberal]

76. Not true

The only arabs that can vote are arabs that managed not to be banished to the territories in 48. The arabs on the west bank can't vote in Israel's elections.

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[Suzette]

6. I don't find it one bit funny

that those of us with long histories of fighting on the left are now discarded if we speak a word of kindness toward Israel.

Somewhere else there is a thread about anti-Semitism = anti-Zionism and vice versa. So "what am I"? I am one disillusioned throwaway from the left...that is "who" I am.

[Violet_Crumble]

9. Don't exaggerate....

those of us with long histories of fighting on the left are now discarded if we speak a word of kindness toward Israel.

What nonsense. I've been here a long time and I 'speak a word of kindness towards Israel', in fact, quite a few, when it comes to things like the media, women's reproductive rights, etc....

I was always under the impression that people with long histories of fighting on the left opposed human rights violations, belligerant occupations, and that sort of thing. So, why is it that some of these people seem to hold a belief that it's okay to make an exemption for the Palestinian people when it comes to these things?

Violet...

[ithacan]

10. there's a difference between Israel and Sharon/Likud

just like there's a difference between the US and Bush.

The mistake is to take criticism of particular right wing extremist policies of Likud and the Sharon government as "anti-Israel".

Of course that is exactly what Sharon wants people to think (just like Bush and "anti-American" criticism of his fascistoid policies). And too many people who are critical of Sharon's policies don't make that distinction, falling into Sharon's trap (trap of all right wing extremists to be sure).

True leftists would be following the example of the left and peace movements within Israel itself. It would be following the example of the Israeli soldiers who refuse to take part in the occupation and suppression of civilian population, etc. People who really love Israel would see that the Sharon policy is the worst thing for Israel and Israelis, just as the Bush policies are the worst thing for the US and Americans.

[bluesoul]

11. Amen to that

Ithacan! :)

[rini]

14. I refuse to let the

carriers of hatred usurp the word lberal. I am a progressive/liberal and deeply resent the extreme right maskerading as progressive liberals.

[bluesoul]

16. You mean the extreme RW

as in Frontpagemag? Cause then you are right...

[rini]

82. actually

I mean anti-semitic groups masquarading as liberals.

[Andromeda]

87. YES, rini...

:toast:

[edzontar]

88. Which groups did you have in mind?

Please tell us. what are the NAMES of the anti-semitic groups "disguised" as liberals?

[bluesoul]

17. Who's "maskerading" as a progessive liberal

here? Care to explain, I would love to hear that...

[Violet_Crumble]

18. Let's refuse together!

You can refuse the carriers of hatred to ursurp the word 'lberal' and I'll handle the refusal to let the carriers of hate to ursurp the word 'liberal'!

Come, Rini. Don yr super-hero cloak with the words 'lberal prtecter' lovingly handsewed on it and let us join forces and focus our deep resentment towards those of the extreme right masquerading as progressive liberals! Where do we start?


Violet...

[drdon326]

19. I love you too, babe

.

[Violet_Crumble]

20. That's nice, but I never said I loved you, don...

Unrequited love is so sad and forlorn ;)


Violet...

[edzontar]

30. Touche!!!!

And thanks to my pals for posting this RW crap and revealing your true politics.

Makes it so much easier.

[el_gato]

22. phoney

long histories of fighting for the left? yeah right

I smell neocon

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[el_gato]

65. straw man

try again

[Lurking Dem]

36. You don't think Jews have a history

of leftist causes in this country????

Wow.

[el_gato]

64. so you represent every jew? I don't think so

can you say straw man? i thought so.

[Lurking Dem]

66. Where did I say I represented anyone?

I wondered if you knew anything about the history of the Jewish people on the political left.

Try again.

[bluesoul]

67. I know they don't

support Sharon or his policies, that's for sure. Gush Shalom, Uri Avnery, Amira Hass....

[Classical_Liberal]

77. Who has a long history of fighting for the left

the people at frontpage mags have been reaganites since the 80s. They disguarded the left.

[BlackFrancis]

26. when did you figure out about "hatred from the left"?

The "new left" is over fourty years old and you can go back to the sixties and read the same old bullshit about the "new anti-semitism" going back to the middle of the Vietnamese war.

The "new anti-semitism" is a bunch of horseshit. Forty years of pointing out that Palestinians are human beings no meaner or better than Jews and the horrible outcome of this "new anti-semitism" is what?

Absolutely nothing.

[ithacan]

8. this mag is not conservative, it's pure fascist propaganda

regardless of whether you like this particular article or not, Front Page has absolutely NO credibility, it is pretty much a right-wing propaganda rag that fronts for the fascists who dominate the US right these days.

You're not doing yourself any favors by citing pieces from this rag.

[Paschall]

21. Since no one's mentioned it...

Front Page Mag is published by David Horowitz. Need I say more?

[edzontar]

32. Who will they post next?

Daniel Pipes? (already done)

Richard Perle? (already done)

Mort Zuckerman? (already done)

Such a great line-up of progressive, Democratic voices---Ah, I/P, where the rightwing is always RIGHT, and leftists are all bigots and anti-semites.

Time for a coffee break....

[bluesoul]

33. And

Barbara Amiel..

[Paschall]

34. Yes, I/P is the new DU dungeon

Used to be the Gun Dungeon. At least I/P is much more relevant to the current, hellish vortex in world affairs.

Make mine an espresso with a drop of rum!

[Suzette]

37. Sorry to have to disagree...

I/P's reputation is known OFF this site! The hatefulness in this forum precedes knowledge of DU as a site in many cases.

[Paschall]

39. Oh, so where did you hear about the DU I/P forum?

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[edzontar]

44. What a horrible site!!!

Does it get sourced here much?

[Suzette]

45. Why would you think of that?

Are you a double-agent or something?

FYI: I learned about I/P, DU, LGF and other web forums from the same long-standing member of DU and I really resent your implication of any sort of association I would ever have with that garbage site!

However, you have just proved those who denigrate you to be right! I couldn't believe it, but apparently is is true that if someone on I/P doesn't toe your party-line you haul out the most hurtful thing you can think of!

And this is DEMOCRATICunderground? Really?

[Paschall]

69. Interesting to say the least

Of course you're entitled to plead the Fifth Amendment if you want to imagine yourself the victim of an Inquisition.

On the other hand, this is a private website and the First Amendment doesn't apply here. The owners have rules have established rules on what can and what cannot be posted.

I must say you burst in with a big blast of incivility--primarily at blaming others for what you considered incivil. That's not the best way to begin dialogue or to keep yourself from being labelled a disruptor.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

70. a recruiter who told you of DU and LGF and denigrates DU members, oh my?!

who posts form LGF around here?

B

[Jim Sagle]

78. Did someone say recruiter? I need a job.

;-)

[legin]

42. It's a nice bit of gameplaying too

directed towards Skinner.

A little thought for him to think about.

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[edzontar]

50. Excuse me, but how are people trying to revive McCarthyism here?

I don't get your point--could you clarify?

[Lurking Dem]

51. ARE you or have you EVER been

a poster on Little Green Footballs, Sir?!

sheesh

[edzontar]

53. No-but what is your point?

Conservatives and disruptors are not supposed to be welcome on this board.

That is what the RULES say....I didn't write them.

Plenty of RW and bigoted wingnut threads have been deleted here--and identifiable disruptors are banned.

So-are the Mods McCarthyites, in your opinion?

I/P seems to a relatively unpoliced zone as far as these tendencies are concerned---but that does not prevent or discourage those of us who actually OPPOSE the GOP and conservatives from carrying the fight to these threads.

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[Suzette]

54. Have you no shame?

Have you no shame?

[Suzette]

55. Once upon a time

in America, we decided to stop fighting the right wing and began to fight the left wing. Unfortunately, that made for a lot of problems. Many people who fought the Axis in WWII also had fought against Franco in the Spain. They also had signed up in the Communist Party during the 1930's. Then, when the world did another 180, all those people were used by a junior senator in order to make his career. He began the Army-McCarthy hearings, his name being Joe McCarthy. He searched for communists in the army, then in Hollywood, then asked everyone to turn everyone else in. One was supposed to state whether or not they had ever been a Communist and, even better, to name names.

Many of these people, predominately Jewish I might add, committed suicide rather than face the harassment, the loss of friends, the loss of dignity and many others went underground and lived hand to hand until, of all people, Ed Sullivan broke the ban by putting someone on his show who had been blacklisted.

Now, this obviously isn't a perfect corollary, but it's certainly apt. Various of the pro-Palestinian posters on this board use the same tactics; guilt by association, questioning anything other than the subject at hand; and, now, most recently asking me if I learned of DU from a right-wing site.

This is an absolute disgrace! The Democratic party would hang its head in shame in YOUR right-wing tactics.

Didn't you study history in school?

[Suzette]

56. I should also add

that many brave people also stood up to the committee as I am trying to stand up to you now.

You see, it's none of your GD business how or where I learned of DU. However, that is a principled position and so you may not be able to understand that when I refuse to answer your questions, that I am not agreeing to anything you have said...I am telling you it is none of your business to even ask the question.

I realize that this and my previous post are not letter-perfect, but I am angry right now; really angry; so, I will excuse myself from this board for today and cool off. I only hope you can think about this yourselves because it means a whole damn lot!!!!!

[edzontar]

62. Whatever....My advice is....

If you can't take it, then don't dish it out.

[bluesoul]

57. Please tell me Suzette

what to make of someone that predominantly (9 out of 10 times) posts from RW (as right as it goes) sources and expects us to take them as credible and unbiased on a PROGRESSIVE board. And then we should simply be quiet and not question such obvious slant to RW sources.. Well, then I am sorry...

[legin]

58. To be fair it is original

I've been called most things under the sun down here, but this is the first time i've been called a McCarthyite.

It's not very convincing and a trifle shrill too, but it does make a pleasant change.

A cockroach is still my favourite though, I'm really beginning to feel my way into that personna.

[Forkboy]

72. I've been compared to McCarthy here before

:D

[edzontar]

59. Thanks for the primer-not!!!!

How dare you accuse me or anyone else here of McCarthyism?

Just because we defend the dignity and basic rights of the Palestinian people--that makes us all anti-semites?

I teach history, and let me tell you, your version of it is simplistic at best.

I don't know or care where you came from, or how you found this forum.

I don't even know any of these wingnut sites, because I AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE.

If I wanted reactionary, bigoted, RW views--I would go to those sites.

But I am a proud Democrat, -and am also, I may add, a "Card-Carrying Member" of the ACLU, which opposes any kind of censorship or mind-control movement, left or right....

Jeez

[bluesoul]

61. here, here!

Edzontar a :toast: for you! ;)

[BlackFrancis]

63. you brought it up..

For some reason you wanted people to know they were talked about, someone asked you where. It's a reasonable question. What if it was LGF? Hell, I post at LGF sometimes just to tweak them off. No one is trying to blacklist you. It's ridiculous hyperbole.

[legin]

52. Nothing to do with me

I'd just like to say to clear up any possible misunderstanding.

:evilgrin:

[drdon326]

43. Bummer, huh?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=7386


make that LOTS of rum.lol

[edzontar]

46. RW sites can be hazardous.....

To you mind.

[edzontar]

48. Re-This link: I note your comments about RW links are mostly positive

Here is what Skinner says:

" There is only one rule regarding right-wing sources: If you start a thread in the General Discussion forum and quote a right wing source, you must post your opinion about it.

Otherwise, there are no restrictions on posting right-wing sources. Except for the fact that it might make the moderators suspicious."

I place special emphasis on that last line.

Now it may well be that, for reasons known only to the powers that be, that posts such as this one (and others like it) have not been deemed conservative or disruptive.

That is up to them---I just post here.

But you can hardly blame some of us for being, as Skinner puts it, "suspicious."

I might also suggest that posting the opinions of wing-nuts is probably not the best way to attract support for your arguments from participants in an progressive, Democratic forum.

There are surely plenty of moderate-to-liberal Israel defenders that you could cite instead-- why not select from these sources?

[bluesoul]

49. I would stress the "suspicious" part

as well. You never know when you have someone posting almost exclusively RW sources...

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

60. Hey, if this board wants to defend the right to post from Horowitz

so be it. At least we don't have racist cartoons anymore.

Gotta love this description on Frontpage

"The Center for the Study of Popular Culture, now in its second decade of activity, is dedicated to defending the cultural foundations of a free society, a task made even more pressing by the attack on America of September 11th, the Iraq conflict and the internal opponents of freedom this attack has revealed. The Center is led by its President, David Horowitz a man who has been called "the left's most brilliant and articulate nemesis," who is suited both by experience and dedication to the task at hand ."

"dedicated to defending the cultural foundations of a free society"

WTF? - what 'white' america

"and the internal opponents of freedom this attack has revealed"

Skinner, is he not talking about you?


Bill

[BlackFrancis]

24. She never did get around to explaining why Israel isn't an apartheid state

[Jack Rabbit]

25. In terms of Apartheid, this is one huge serving of red herring

Ms. Chesler expounds on the faults of Arab societies. Women are not equal; religious minorities often face official discrimination. Ms. Chesler found resistance from Arab audiences to facing their own anti-Semitism and she is to be commended for her courage in attempting to break through that blindness and unwillingness.

However, the fact that Arab societies discriminate against women and religious minorities does not have any bearing one way or the other on any judgments that can be made about Israel being an Apartheid state.

Israel is not an Apartheid state, at least not yet. However, in the Occupied Territories, the administration of which the Israelis are responsible, settlements are built at government expense in which Arabs cannot live and are accessed by roads on which Arabs cannot travel. Arabs have no say in this. The settlements are often built on sites where Arab homes were confiscated and destroyed. An Israeli settler has more rights in the Palestinian Territories than a native Palestinian does. Israel may not be an Apartheid state, but one can make a good case that she is administering one in the West Bank and Gaza.

Israel -- that is, the nation whose borders are defined by the 1949 armistice -- has a population of 6.5 million, of which about 80% are Jews. Discrimination exists and the current rightwing government has shamed itself by taking away some rights from Arabs, making noises about taking away others and even has some members who openly advocate expelling Arabs from Israel and the Occupied Territories. However, for the moment, Arabs have many rights and, at least legally, there is nothing to prevent the possibility of an Arab becoming Prime Minister of the Jewsih State.

Israel prides herself on being a Jewish democracy. However, were Israel to swallow the Occupied Territories, Israel's population whould rise to about 10.2 million with 3.5 million of her new inhabitants being Arabs. Instead of being 80% Jewish, Greater Israel would be about 52% Jewish and falling in the face of a high Arab birthrate. The Jewish democracy will then be faced with a crisis: Will the Jewish democracy give up its Jewish character and remain democractic or will the state remain Jewish by offering the new Arab majority limited citizenship or incentives to leave their homes. The latter choices will most certainly be accompanied by ethnic violence of the kind seen in the region today, except that, instead of the issue being whehter there should be a Palestinian state for the Palestinian nation, the issue will be whether Palestinians have equal rights in the single state they share with Jews. In short, the issue will be exactly the same one that South Africa faced before the fall of Apartheid.

[Paschall]

27. Good points

And--simply put--regardless of any specific differences that may exist between the South African apartheid regime and the policies Israel is currently following in the Territories, "apartheid" merely means segregation.

So if "apartheid" offends, let's call a spade a spade and say Sharon's government is segregationist. The facts are undeniable.

[Jack Rabbit]

35. Let's not get too concerned about the word used to denote the system

Whether Apartheid is the appropriate word or not could be another red herring.

The real point is that if Israel has to retain her Jewish character by setting up a system of official respression and split-level citizenship in which Jews have more rights than Arabs, it will be an ugly situation. One could call such a system almost anything except a just society.

[rini]

81. You are mistaken

the use and misuse of words are crucial to the subtext of your sentence.

Aparteid: racial segregation; specifically a policy of segregation and political and economic discrimination against non-European groups in the Republic of So. Africa

Israel is a democratic progressive island surrounded by a sea of despots. I defy you to demonstrate one legal instance of aparteid in Israel as public policy.

[Jack Rabbit]

83. Exactly how am I mistaken, ma'am?

You are defying me to demonstrate that Israel is an Apartheid state? After in post 25 I flatly state that it is not? And later in the same post I acknowledge that it is a Jewish democracy?

I defy you to show me where I said Israel is an Apartheid state.

[number6]

84. no he's not ...

...

[Paschall]

86. Quite true

"One could call such a system almost anything except a just society."

[BlackFrancis]

29. What does the green line matter?

Israel does not accept that as it's borders. Israel has repeatedly stated that it will never return to those borders. Israel is where Israel rules and Israel is an apartheid state.

[Jack Rabbit]

38. Think about what you just said

Israel does not accept that as it's borders. Israel has repeatedly stated that it will never return to those borders.

And what do you mean here by Israel? Israel is an abstraction that doesn't speak or act except through certain people.



There are many Israelis who accept Israel's boraders (designated above by the highlited area along the Mediterranean coast). If certain members of the rightwing governing coalition need a geography lesson, they should go back to school.

[BlackFrancis]

40. who?

Find me one Labour PM who ever said anything about the green line being the border of Israel. This has nothing to do with the Likud.

on edit: Israel is not an abstration, Israel like any other country is defined as a place where legitimate violence is held as the sole providence of a government. This makes Israel's border Jordan to Mediteranian.

[The Magistrate]

80. The Green Line Is The Border, Sir

It was accepted as the limit of territory over which the government of Israel exercised sovereignty on it admission to the United Nations.

It is in origin simply an armistice line, consituting the front-line military positions at the start of 1949, modified in a small was by negotiations with Trans-Jordan. In the establishment of this line, it was expected by the United Nations, among others, that there would be negotiated some small adjustments to it, as in many places it did not pay much heed to the human geography. Negotiations under auspices of the various Military Armistic Commissions quickly broke down in mutual recrimination, and so this expectation failed. Thus there is a certain official slipperyness about the thing, where no peace agreement with another sovereign state has been concluded. This is not of much real consequence.

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[Forkboy]

73. Great article!!!

if you're a right wing goon!

[Classical_Liberal]

74. The real brownshirts are at frontpage mag

The Palestinians are not collectively responsible for honor killings. The fact that SA, and certain conservative muslims practice gender apartied, doesn't mean israel doesn't practice religious apartied with non jews. Furthermore, conservative jews and christians also practice gender apartied. Israel stopped drafting women into the military their primarily because Orthodox women who were raped were rejected as "damaged goods' by their men.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

75. HOW DARE YOU!!!!

to evoke Nazi imagery!?!

Have you no shame!!!

(sarc. off)

Bill

[number6]

85. a slanted piece...

some truth, mostly spin

[SOS]

89. Why limit ourselves to Phyllis Chesler?

There's so much more to enjoy at Frontpage!
This weeks Frontpage hate rant by Ann Coulter against all 9 democratic candidates should go over well here at DU.
After all, we are the "Treason Lobby".
http://frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10908

[Classical_Liberal]

91. Valerie Plame needs to sue to get the real traitors

back on notice.

[dai]

90. This may be off-topic...

...but I noticed that Saudi Arabia is once again used as a punching bag by anti-Muslims from the right. And you'll get no defence from me, SA is certainly an apartheid state and no friend of progressive values.

However, how does the right come to grips with bashing Saudi Arabia - while Bush continues to maintain such a warm relationship with Saudi leadership? Are they admitting Bush's duplicity or what?