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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:38 AM
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Israel urged to destroy nuclear arms...
Vienna
November 28, 2003


The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, wants Israel to dismantle its nuclear weapons arsenal and believes all Middle East nations would benefit from ridding the region of nuclear weapons.

Israel has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and has never officially admitted to having nuclear weapons. Non-proliferation analysts estimate that Israel has up to 200 such weapons.

Asked about a meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom last week, Dr ElBaradei hinted that Israel should sign the treaty - the global pact designed to stop the spread of nuclear weapons.

"We obviously discussed . . . efforts to try to move forward towards application of safeguards (on) all nuclear activities in the Middle East, including in Israel," he said on Wednesday.

The United Nations General Assembly and IAEA General Conference have adopted 13 resolutions since 1987 appealing to Israel to sign the treaty. All have been ignored.


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/27/1069825913850.html

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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 03:44 AM
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1. yeah- why should Israel get nukes?-they're WMD's
Wepeens of Mass Deestruktion !!!
We should invade immediately!!!
--no inspectors--no U.N.
....oh wait--there's no oil under their sand---
hmmm......never mind
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 04:08 AM
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2. I am sure that they, like the UN, think Israel should just go away
Not going to happen.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 04:28 AM
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3. You're not
serious...
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 04:36 AM
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4. Yes, I
am.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 05:58 AM
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5. The UN created Israel!
! The UN problem with Israel wouldn't exist if their were a Palestinian state.
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hossdiddy Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 07:43 AM
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6. that
was 55 years ago that they created Israel.

The Arab states have effectively hijacked it since then.

They don't care about the Palestinians or a Palestinian state. They only use them as cannon fodder in their war against Israel.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 08:51 AM
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8. What have the Arab states hijacked?
The UN? How have they managed to do this? This incessant line of 'logic' that member states don't ever vote on a resolution based on the resolution itself, but because those nasty Ayrabs have hijacked the UN and control all those other states, while amusing, is kinda ludicrous...

Violet...
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:09 AM
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9. Ludicrous , huh ??
start with this:

"U.N. CONFERENCE AGAINST RACISM HIJACKED BY EXTREMIST ELEMENTS", ACCORDING TO AMERICANS, WALKING OUT OF DURBAN CONFERENCE WITH ISRAELI DELEGATION."

http://www.jafi.org.il/agenda/2001/english/wk33/5.asp

or

Israel withdraws UN resolution

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1069819713767

Gillerman withdrew the draft after a group of states from the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM), led by Egypt, demanded the inclusion of amendments that, if adopted, would have turned the draft into an anti-Israel resolution.

The list of amendments, cosponsored by Bahrain, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen, included deleting of the phrase "Israeli children" from the text and replacing it with "Middle East children," and inserting references to Israeli "military assaults," "occupation" and ""excessive use of force" ahead of all mention of terrorism. Even the title of the draft was changed from "The situation of and assistance to Israeli children" to "The situation of and assistance to children in the Middle East region."

.................................................................

hijacked ??.....nah.

I'm amazed how oblivious to reality your post is.



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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:11 AM
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10. And what's up with the US
vetoing every single resolution aimed at Israel

That's not hijacking is it? Nah, couldn't be...
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:53 AM
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13. Nope
One nation, holding the line against the abuse of another is not hijacking. Many nations -- Arab and Muslim -- leading a charge against one nation IS hijacking.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:55 AM
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14. Double standards
Abuse? LOL, you mean enforcing international law...
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:57 AM
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15. International law
Is exactly the art of the double standard. Syria and China can and do conquer territory, but that is barely given a complaint by the UN. Israel does so and it becomes the focus of virtually all UN actions for decades.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:19 AM
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11. Yes, ludicrous...
Now instead of posting articles that don't even try to explain how this hijacking is supposed to have happened, maybe you could try explaining it in yr own words? How do these Arab states control so many other member nations?

Hey, since when has the US cared about extremist elements at conferences? After all, they voted alongside some of the most oppressive and extremist regimes in the world whenever it comes to conferences about women and abortion...

Violet...
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 12:36 PM
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17. Maybe it's because they have seats on the Security Council...
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 09:46 AM
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12. But the Palestinian problem
with Israel would. so the terrorism would continue. Israel would just have to do it all over again and "occupy" the Palestinian state. the UN would be its ususal useless, hypocrritical self, that can accomplish nothing.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 08:49 AM
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7. I see...
So, requests that a state that possesses nuclear weapons should sign a non-proliferation treaty actually translates that the body making the requests thinks the state they're making the request to should 'just go away'? It seems that if they wanted a state to go away and not have to worry about it, they'd not be requesting that state sign a treaty in the first place. It's kind of hard to ignore a state once it's a signatory....

Violet...
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 12:33 PM
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16. Why should they?
If I was an Arab leader, the thought of Israel having nuclear weapons would deter me from attacking them. They should keep them, as a precaution.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-03 12:41 PM
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18. And Arabs shouldn't have them
as a preacution? So I see, Israel can have them as much as they like just those Arabs shouldn't have them. Ok, no double standards here I am sure..
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