Hamas, Islamic Jihad; Reckless and Stupid.

[oberliner]

No need to talk about Israel and its savage and criminal occupation, I wrote and will continue to write about it. However here I want to address what is going in Gaza. I tried to be “politically correct” but watching what is going on in Gaza I chose to be straightforward. The political and military leadership of both Hamas and Islamic Jihad are reckless and stupid. Reckless with the lives of the people of Gaza, holding 1.5 million hostage to stupid, incompetent, inept and unqualified operational leadership of Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigade and Al-Quds Brigade. Watching these masked young men talks as if they are out to destroy Israel and threatening Israel with retaliations that makes the “earth shake” qualifies these people and the spokesman “Abu-Obeidah” to be locked up in mental institutions danger to themselves and the millions around them. Where is the hell Hamas political leadership from all of this? and why it allowed reckless field commanders to run loose? We are sick and tired from the military and political rhetoric out of Gaza.

For years both Ezzedeen Al-Qassam and Al-Aqsa/Quds Brigade fired thousands of home made so called rockets at the Israeli town of Sedrout, causing little damage other than blowing the roof on some buildings and killing non. Yet they continued to fire these useless rockets giving the world the impression and, thanks to clever Israeli marketing, that these rockets are ballistic missiles carrying nuclear bombs when they are nothing more than packed fire crackers not so different from those fired on the 4th of July. The rhetoric’s we hear is more potent than the rockets they fire.

The operational field commanders, young reckless, stupid, may be high on something, continue to fire these rockets knowing well they do not do any measurable damage but exposed the people of Gaza to grave danger resulting in Operation Cast Lead, the 3 weeks (December 2008-January 2009) Israeli war on the civilians in Gaza causing 1, 417 Palestinians dead, mostly civilians and causing immeasurable damage to the infrastructures of Gaza and destruction of some 25,000 homes. Khalid Mishal called the destruction of Gaza winning. Israel lost 13 soldiers.

International law gives the rights of people to use force including armed resistance to fight Israeli soldiers and armed settlers operating in the Occupied West Bank. However Hamas and Islamic Jihad lost that right when they engaged in suicide bombings targeting civilians on buses and in public places. Terrorist acts as I see it and lost my support. Engaging in these “terrorists acts” lost Hamas and Islamic Jihad worldwide support and caused Palestinian armed resistance against the Israeli occupational force the legitimacy it had under international law.

http://palestinenote.com/blogs/blogs/archive/2011/04/09/hamas-islamic-jihad-reckless-and-stupid.aspx

[shira]

1. That's more criticism of Hamas than you'll find from most "progressives". n/t

[hayu_lol]

2. Maybe, to end all the strife between a real country and the rabble...

forces that refuse to stop firing whatever they have at the established and organized country next to them, why not give the WB and Gaza the country that they supposedly are demanding. Let them elect one unified government to represent all of their residents. Let them apply to the UN to be recognized as a country.

Then, when they attack Israel, it becomes an official act of war and the Israelis can then go in and put a stop to this eternal nonsense. Countries have the right to respond to acts of war but apparently not to outright terrorism.

You suppose this is why Hamas et al always dance around the 'I demand to be a country' table but never quite manage to negotiate country of our own status? Perpetual negotiations without resolution.

Become a country...and be held responsible for terrorist acts.

That is the ultimate answer, but terrorism is far more fun and profitable than running a peaceful country. After all these years and all the dead, the only conclusion anyone can come to is that neither Gaza nor WB wants a country or peace.

As Allah wills.

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[oberliner]

4. What does that have to do with anything?

The piece was written by an Arab, incidentally.

[hayu_lol]

5. Didn't read the link...

there was no attribution at the start and certainly no quote marks. Shoot, I thought it was your work.

Well-written piece whoever wrote it.

[oberliner]

6. All posts in this forum must be from published articles from other sources

No original work can start an OP (unless it's been published elsewhere).

[Alamuti Lotus]

7. There are many statements shocking to an orthodox zionist in this article; do you agree with them?

[pelsar]

8. what statements...

what he wrote is simply obvious for those who are not blinded by ideology.....

[Alamuti Lotus]

9. tentatively agreed, but, um..

I agree with most of his points, and with most of the ideology that does, in fact, lie behind them; I suspect we are reading a different piece by a different author, or at least reading him quite differently. For example, there is the part where he criticizes Hamas military for not being effective enough against the zionist enemy; spite aimed at collaborators like Dahlan; displeasure that the current military ineptitude hampers the liberation effort (I doubt he's referring to the crumbs on the bargain table) and calls for new leadership to arrange the defeat of the zionist enemy; his praise of Sheikh Yassin, Fathi Shiqaqi, and Dr Rantisi compared to their current successors; condemnation of the US/zionist (included is the fallen Egyptian pharaoh and also Fat'h, which are really just in context an extension of the formerly named) subversion of Hamas' election and anti-democratic approaches in general; I could go on, perhaps with his praise of Helen Thomas in another piece (a figure so vehemently despised in these parts), but it's strange that such really red flags were not charged at by the usual bulls on parade--indeed, the author received (presumably blind) praise from one I doubt would agree with any of the above, had a moment been given towards actually reading the piece before attempting to score points.

[pelsar]

11. it was an honest summary...

i fundamentally disagree with his point of view..but that does not negate his overall assessment of the operations/efficiency of hamas as a governing body.

Hamas is not very effective against israel in disrupting life presently but they are getting better at it, and when they cross a undefined threshold, as did the suicide bombers and the kassams, those in gaza will once again pay for it, and have their lives disrupted and 'quality of life moved down a notch or two.

thats been the pattern since pre 48 an this is where we differ, the author does not recognize that when ever the PLO/PA/Hamas succeed in their violence, the longer term result is a net loss for them.

[oberliner]

10. What do you mean when you say "orthodox zionist" ?

Are you talking about someone who is an Orthodox Jew and is also a Zionist?

Do you mean Religious Zionists or do you mean orthodox in another sense here?

Like a doctrinal Zionist or something?

In any case, there are lots of statements in this article that I don't agree with. I thought it was worth posting because it is interesting to read (and hard to find - in English, at least) such open criticism of the leadership of both Hamas and the PA (as well as other Palestinian groups) from a Palestinian.

It is also interesting to see where the author draws the line in terms of his support for "resistance".

His vision for the future of the region, however, is not one that I share.