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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 08:23 AM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1094420,00.html

Not only do I admire the Guardian, I also find it fun to read, which in a way is more of a compliment. But if there is one issue that has made me feel less loyal to my newspaper over the past year, it has been what I, as a non-Jew, perceive to be a quite striking bias against the state of Israel. Which, for all its faults, is the only country in that barren region that you or I, or any feminist, atheist, homosexual or trade unionist, could bear to live under.

I find this hard to accept because, crucially, I don't swallow the modern liberal line that anti-Zionism is entirely different from anti-semitism; the first good, the other bad. Judeophobia - as the brilliant collection of essays A New Antisemitism? Debating Judeophobia In 21st-Century Britain (axt.org.uk), published this year, points out - is a shape-shifting virus, as opposed to the straightforward stereotypical prejudice applied to other groups (Irish stupid, Japanese cruel, Germans humourless, etc). Jews historically have been blamed for everything we might disapprove of: they can be rabid revolutionaries, responsible for the might of the late Soviet empire, and the greediest of fat cats, enslaving the planet to the demands of international high finance. They are insular, cliquey and clannish, yet they worm their way into the highest positions of power in their adopted countries, changing their names and marrying Gentile women. They collectively possess a huge, slippery wealth that knows no boundaries - yet Israel is said to be an impoverished, lame-duck state, bleeding the west dry.

If you take into account the theory that Jews are responsible for everything nasty in the history of the world, and also the recent EU survey that found 60% of Europeans believe Israel is the biggest threat to peace in the world today (hmm, I must have missed all those rabbis telling their flocks to go out with bombs strapped to their bodies and blow up the nearest mosque), it's a short jump to reckoning that it was obviously a bloody good thing that the Nazis got rid of six million of the buggers. Perhaps this is why sales of Mein Kampf are so buoyant, from the Middle Eastern bazaars unto the Edgware Road, and why The Protocols of The Elders of Zion could be found for sale at the recent Anti-racism Congress in Durban.

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great article

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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 08:33 AM
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1. She's leaving the Guardian
Probably because of her RW views. Not surprising, considering this article...
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 08:45 AM
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2. You seem to be quite familiar with her....
what RW views are those??
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 09:01 AM
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3. Or is being against anti-semitism....
now condidered "RW"??
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:48 PM
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18. well, still try reading that first line
she's still going over to the Times, which is still a rightwing paper. I don't see why this and those that followed were removed.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 09:36 AM
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4. Excellent article! It speaks for me!
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:41 AM
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11. "taking drugs, getting drunk and having nervous breakdowns .."
You make it sound like a bad thing.

Seriously, and the importance of this is...???
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:46 AM
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12. NME = New Musical Express
One of the two big rock music papers in britain, along with Melody Maker, when i was a sprogglet (probably still is).

There is a really classic picture of the two standing in full punk gear against a wall. They married and then divorced.

The british Comic Strip did a program on a band and the rock chick journalist in it i believe was based on Julie Burchill.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:02 PM
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14. Her ex Tony Parsons
Is likewise the token pro-war creep writing for the Mirror if I remember corectly.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:07 PM
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15. OH...LEGIN??
Edited on Sun Nov-30-03 12:08 PM by drdon326



i'M going to start taking drugs, getting drunk and having
nervous breakdowns if you dont tell me the importance
of this information.

see, its started...:crazy:
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:15 PM
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16. Well
1. These two are quite famous over in britain to the punk generation.

2. Also Tony Parsons was part of late night current affaires program on BBC 2 for many years.

3. And much more important it's an example of a couple of people who labour under the illusion that growing up and being responsible means turning into a pair of total prats.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 11:56 AM
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13. You can tell that survey really ticks the fundies off.
They keep propping it up so they can smash it to the
ground again.

As I have said elsewhere: How stupid do you have
to be to lose a PR war to Arafat and a bunch of suicide
bombers?
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:34 PM
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17. who cares
who she sleeps with, her music, or anthing else not pertinant to the discussion. Is this ET or I/P?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:37 PM
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23. Certainly not I.
You will note I didn't bring any of that drivel up.
Only relevant stuff, just like you.
:-)
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:53 PM
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19. The last paragraph reminds me of I/P!
"Judeophobia: where the political is personal, and the personal pretends to be political, and those swarthy/pallid/swotty/philistine/aggressive/ cowardly/comically bourgeois/filthy rich/delete-as-mood-takes-you bastards always get the girl. I'll return to this dirty little secret masquerading as a moral stance next week and, rest assured, it'll get much nastier. As the darling Jews them-selves would say (annoyingly, but then, nobody's perfect), enjoy!"
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:37 PM
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20. Does no one have a comment about this part?
How fitting that it was Richard Ingrams - Victor Meldrew without the animal magnetism - who this summer proclaimed in the Observer that he refuses to read letters from Jews about the Middle East, and that Jewish journalists should declare their racial origins when writing on this subject. Replying in another newspaper, Johann Hari suggested sarcastically that their bylines might be marked with a yellow star, and asked why Ingrams didn't want to know whether those writing on international conflicts were Muslim, Christian, Sikh or Hindu.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:42 PM
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21. Oh Noooo....
Thats just anti-zionism....

So much for the liberal Observer showing again that
its a "real" champion of left.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 02:58 PM
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22. once again
I will say the right masquerading as the left.
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