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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:17 AM
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A Diaspora divided: Jews against Jews
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/DD27DEC3-20CD-40E6-A3EC-273E68FC6655.htm

This time the "anti-Semitism" is from Jews...even some rabbis.
Now think about what we would call the Muslim clerics who said this about other Muslims or Jews. Wouldn't we call them "terrorists?"
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:58 AM
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1. It is sad and frightening that hatred extends to those who desire peace
and justice for Jews as well as Palestinians.

I wish that the harsh words against Moveon (for the Bush-Nazi comparisons in the ad contest) by the Simon Wiesenthal Center were not so.

If we cannot speak openly about our beliefs without these types of attacks, the situation will only worsen for all of us, Jews, Arabs, and Gentiles.

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Soul On Ice Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:22 AM
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2. It's very sad
to find the same intra-fighting within the diaspora as well as within all the other minority groups of the world; I suggest you read up on African-American problems with the very same issue.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:50 AM
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3. Is this breaking news, ...Jews don't agree with each other?
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 11:51 AM by meti57b
Moreover, ... there are plenty of people who will claim to be the very people they are attacking, in order to speak in their name to make them appear unreasonable or worse. I highly suspect that the emails and wording cited in this article from Al-Jazeera were not written by Jews.
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cantwealljustgetalong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:00 PM
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4. it's good to know that allthatjazz...
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 12:05 PM by cantwealljustgetalon

is on top of the alleged jewish junk mail story...

(btw, isn't the subject line supposed to match the headline?)...
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:14 PM
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5. Oh I see
so now way would some Jews disagree with others about Sharon and his gang. Ok...
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:38 PM
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6. May I ask, ... what leads you to that conclusion?
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:42 PM
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7. Just whenever something is written critical about Israel
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 12:42 PM by bluesoul
or the authors reveal their bigotry it's automatically assumed that either they're self hating Jews or in the other case they're really Arabs that would want to discredit them. As though there's not such people among ALL religions, nationalities... Just a lack of some self-critical thinking that's all...
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 01:35 PM
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9. May I ask you another few questions ....
When you say, "it's automatically assumed", ... who do you mean is doing this assuming?

When you say, "self hating Jews", ... what do you mean by that?

Why do you feel the individual/s doing this assuming would feel that Arabs are the only alternative to these Jews that you designate as "self-hating", and not some of the folks in all religions and nationalities, that you later refer to?

If these "authors" you refer to reveal bigotry and you feel that someone (as yet to be defined) assumes they are these Jews who are "self-hating" or Arabs, what has that got to do with ...some Jews disagreeing with others about Sharon, considering the orginal article of reference was about a protest done with re-written Christmas carols and objections to it solicited on an email list?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 12:55 PM
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8. Here is another of Nelson's stories.
It's very amusing, you can practically see this fellow
spluttering and turning red:


Storm over comments by TV presenter

In the article, the former Labour MP described Arabs as
"suicide bombers, limb-amputators, women repressors", and
said they "should go down on their knees and thank God for the
munificence of the United States".

He further claimed that Arabs expected to be adored "for the
way they murdered more than 3000 civilians on September
11 and then danced in the hot, dusty streets to celebrate the
murders".

In other comments, Kilroy-Silk accused the Arab world of
contributing nothing to the world's welfare except oil, which
he claimed was "discovered, produced and paid for by the West".

He added: "The Arab world has not exactly earned our respect, has
it? Most of them chant support for Saddam, an evil dictator who
has gassed hundreds of thousands of their fellow Arabs."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/BBD044EE-87AF-4860-BB32-DDCA21C1B6D5.htm
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