The sick, crying terrorist

[GabysPoppy]

The Erez checkpoint suicide bombing on Wednesday, carried out in the name of Hamas and Fatah by Reem Salah Riashi, ended the lives of security personnel at the Gaza Strip-Israel crossing point. They were three soldiers and a civilian - Tzur Or, Vladimir Trostinsky, Andrei Kegeles, and Gal Shapira. The attack also foiled efforts Israeli security forces make to reduce suspicions in their encounters with Palestinian civilians. From this point, it's likely that Palestinians most in need of relief and help - women, the sick and disabled - will also come under suspicion at crossing points.


The terrorist, a young married mother of two children, came with a plan, and deliberately attacked a vulnerable spot, the crossing terminal. She negotiated with the Border Policemen and appealed to their compassion, enabling her to get through metal detectors at the gate, which repeatedly sounded warnings. She presented herself as an ailing invalid and burst into tears, imploring the security men to let her through. Then she set off her explosive belt in the middle of the group of people who had come to attend to her case.

The Erez checkpoint chosen by the terror organizations for the attack is the sole crossing point for masses of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip who want to enter Israel to work. The checkpoint represents the front line of Israel's effort to draw a distinction between military activities against terrorists, and a readiness to allow innocent people to earn their daily bread.

The attempt to draw this distinction is not acceptable to the terror organizations. The relative quiet, and Hamas' suspension of terror attacks in recent weeks, came from tactical considerations, not any decision of principle. This is an organization that directs its ambitions not only to the war against Israel, but also to the political struggle within the Palestinian Authority.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/383711.html

[Bread and Roses]

1. Let's not forget:

"Nor can the PA pretend that it is not implicated. The weak, tepid sentiments - in fact the condoning - in PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia's response to the attack, plus Fatah's joint responsibility for it, cannot be squared with a claim that lack of progress in diplomatic negotiations is the sole reason for the continuing violence."

and

"The terror strike at the Erez checkpoint will probably oblige the security forces to develop more stringent inspections that will further burden entry procedures to Israel. It will certainly aggravate the suspicions of security personnel toward Palestinians, whether they are dealing with an ambulance carrying pregnant women, or sick or injured people seeking medical treatment. This is what happens when terror organizations strike at sites that have tried to make life easier for the innocent civilian population."


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When will they ever learn, oh when, oh when will they ever learn?

[Muddleoftheroad]

2. Mission accomplished

When will the Palestinian people realize the terrorists are targeting THEM. This is a prime example. It was intended to not only harm Palestinians, but to cause increased security to further antagonize them.

I've said it before. I say it again. End ALL Palestinian entry into Israel. It's much simpler.

[Name removed]

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[Muddleoftheroad]

15. Camps?

Where the hell do you get that. No one on this board or in the West Bank claims Palestinians are Israelis or wish to be. So let them be. Just let them be on their own.

They don't think they need Israel. It's about time they found out that is not the case.

[Jackie97]

10. Hmmm.

Maybe ending all Palestinian entry into Israel will be acceptable when the Palestinians have their own state that they can build up economically without the IDF tearing it down. Until then, it's not acceptable.

[Muddleoftheroad]

16. It's ALWAYS acceptable

To bar non-citizens from you nation for security reasons.

As for getting a state, it would help if the Palestinians ever offered real peace.

[Comadreja]

20. It would help if Sharon wanted it

What he wants is an Arab-free Palestine.

[Comadreja]

3. Going postal with bombs

It's called going postal here. When someone has been ground down, humiliated, and dehumanized by the system (and the Israeli Occupation Forces and settler goons are masters of the craft), life becomes worthless, and a desire for revenge along with an end to suffering takes over. No, not justified any more than systematic shooting of Palestinian innocents by Israeli thugs, but understandable.

[bluesoul]

4. Amen

Axel!

[rockymountaindem]

6. Systematic shooting?

What are you talking about? I would hardly call the deaths of Palestinian militants as "systematic shooting". Fighting the militants is necessary for Israel's safety, and regrettably some civillians are caught in the crossfire. Civillian death is always to be avoided in any conflict (except when most of the rules are off the table, such as in WWII area bombing). I know Israelis who served in the IDF and fought in the West Bank. They are by no means monsters and they say that all their comrades tried to avoid killing civillians.

I think in the US it is easy to make the Israelis look like the bad guys. Our terrorist opponents live thousands of miles away for the most part. Israeli citizens, even those who live in "Israel proper" (although I think Israel has a right to some or all of the West Bank) make their homes only a few kilometers from the hotbeds of terrorism. You can imagine the kind of pressure this puts on IDF soldiers. I feel bad for Israelis and the Palestinians, but I believe the IDF has the moral high ground over Hamas and PFLP.

[bluesoul]

7. No

it doesn't...

[Comadreja]

8. The "IDF" is commiting slow-motion genocide

More and more of them are coming forward with tortured admissions of unprovoked shootings of Palestinians and foreign activists. I can't prove that Israeli snipers have a quota to meet, but enough unarmed Palestinian people merely going about their business are shot down like dogs in the street that it doesn't really matter. Their sadistic methods of psycho-terror at checkpoints are well-documented, often by the ex soldiersposted there. Settlers with guns add to the overall terror pressure by humiliating and interfering with the daily lives of Palestinians, beating and provoking farmers trying to harvest their olives, for instance.

[mmm]

9. Excellent real-world post

I don't recall having seeing you in this forum.
I will add you to my new visitor's 'must read' list.

[Muddleoftheroad]

17. What unadulturated crap

Genocide is the destruction of a population, yet only a few thousand Palestinians have died in the last few years. You need a new dictionary.

As the latest suicide bombing proved, Israel can make NO exceptions for any Palestinian attempting to enter Israel. They must all be searched and any who do not pass the metal detector must be further checked in a secure facility.

Or, my preferred plan is to simply ban all entry from Palestinians into Israel.

[Comadreja]

19. The goal is the same

Whether by murder or expulsion, the RW Zionists want to rid their country of Arabs.

[Muddleoftheroad]

22. No, the goal would NOT be the same

I know this might shock you, but there is a hell of a lot of difference between ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Ethnic cleansing is something the Arabs did to the Jews in 1948 when they kicked out hundreds of thousands of "undesirables."

Genocide is what the Nazis tried against the Jews.

Neither is happening here. One million non-Jews live in Israel and get to vote as citizens. That shows no hint of either term.

[bluesoul]

23. He wasn't talking about those "non Jews" in Israel

but what is happening to Palestinians on their land,with their homes, their lives, their agriculture and their sole existence!

[brainshrub]

11. Amen Axil!

I forgot who posted this, but s/he said: "In an insane situation, people do insane things."

[Bread and Roses]

12. terminology will out

"Israeli Occupation Forces"
"settler goons"
"Palestinian innocents"
"Israeli thugs"


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[Comadreja]

13. All legit

Don't like it when "pro-justice," "anti-Zionist terror" commentators cut through the "anti-justice," "pro-Zionist terror" word games and tell it like it is? Another thing; just whose side do you think MLK would be on in this struggle? Your use of his image makes me want to
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

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[GabysPoppy]

24. Your comments are insulting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1027019&mesg_id=1027656

Whether you have indeed learned anything is debateable.

[Muddleoftheroad]

25. Class

Apparently, in honor of Dr. King, several posters think it funny today to mock those who do him honor by using his avatar. I guess America has further to go than I had realized.

Brainshrub, what right do you have to psychoanalyze anyone here? It relates not at all to the thread or anything else?

You should be embarrassed to even make these comments. Sadly, you seem not to be.

[Name removed]

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[brainshrub]

14. Is a rose a rose by any other name?

Every word fits the description.

[Gimel]

18. Then people wonder

A Welsh gram is given a hard time when she admits to photographing Israeli tanks. Does she think a woman of her age should be exempt from questioning? The guide first tried to shield her. When she claimed the photos, not the Arab guide, they were let go. How simple to tell the truth.

Here an Arab woman jeopardizes the future of injured people, her own people, and of women who want privacy. She knew she would set off the alarms if she was checked by the normal metal detection instruments. She knew she would be forced to detonate early, or be captured, so she acted like she was an invalid.

Now Israeli guards and IDF will be forever vilified for detaining ambulances and invalids, not wanting to touch them for fear they would detonate themselves.

As for separation, it's a must. If the Palestinians want co-operation they should show it by stopping terrorism.

[rockymountaindem]

27. I agree

Amen to that, Gimel.