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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 05:41 PM
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There is greatness in courage (J-Post Op-Ed)
There is greatness in courage
By Stewart Weiss - Jerusalem Post
Saturday, January 31, 2003


This is a column I never thought I'd need to write, on an issue I never thought I'd need to address.
In a society so desperate for genuine heroes I had always believed we would rally around our troops and unanimously applaud the brave soldiers of the IDF. These courageous men and women – kids, really, forced to grow up too quickly – represent the best this country has to offer.
Looking for commitment, dedication, selflessness? Looking for the "great equalizer" that successfully melds every national origin and ethnic background into a single unit? You'll find it all underneath a khaki-green uniform.
And yet, for all the love this country so rightly showers on our servicemen and women, the IDF sure takes a lot of abuse. From both sides of the national divide.
The Left too often brands our soldiers as "trigger-happy cowboys" who are unconcerned about the rights of the Palestinians, who act abusively at border crossings and on patrol in the territories. If the far Left has heroes, they are are tiny, holier-than-thou band of officers and non-coms who flout army discipline by refusing to serve beyond the Green Line.
And on the Right? Too many taunts of "traitor" and even "Nazi" are spewed at soldiers who follow orders to take down illegal settlements or break up unauthorized demonstrations. Too much blame is heaped upon the army for duly implementing the decisions made in the cabinet or Knesset.
Most disturbing to me is the posture taken by some elements of the religious public toward our soldiers. Much of the yeshiva world regards the IDF as a non-entity, refusing to acknowledge days of tribute to fallen soldiers, showing little or no appreciation for those who help make it possible for thousands of young people to study Torah in peace and security. Countless synagogues around the world refuse to pray for the welfare of Israeli soldiers.
(...)
LET'S SPELL out the truth so there is no confusion: Israel has the purest, most civilized, moral and conscientious armed force in the world. We respect the enemy's rights even in times of war; we struggle mightily to limit civilian casualties; we maintain our humanity even under excruciatingly difficult battlefield conditions.
We fight hard and we are damn good soldiers, but we also know how to show compassion.
(...)
I remember when our late son, Ari, discovered a hidden cache of weapons in the false wall of an Arab home in Nablus. He also found a wad of $100 bills, totaling $10,000. He looked at the money – thought for a while – then placed the cash back in the wall, confiscating only the weapons.
This is not to say that the IDF is perfect. Like in any national institution, there are bound to be cases of negligence, malfeasance, and abuse of power.
But who is immune to that? We have all witnessed politicians on the take, and more than one rabbi has been found guilty of corruption or molestation. In any large orchard there will always be a few bad apples.
But the IDF's overall level of tohar ha'neshek – purity of arms – remains strong and stable. We can and should be very proud of the defenders of our land.

Read the rest here.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 06:16 PM
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1. LET'S SPELL out the truth
. . . so there is no confusion: Israel has the purest, most civilized, moral and conscientious armed force in the world. We respect the enemy's rights even in times of war; we struggle mightily to limit civilian casualties; we maintain our humanity even under excruciatingly difficult battlefield conditions.
We fight hard and we are damn good soldiers, but we also know how to show compassion.

Amen. Thank goodness for the IDF. They deserve the gratitude of both the Israeli and the Palestinian people for fighting in a moral way against their common enemies.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 06:30 PM
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2. Good going, Blitz.
:toast: :yourock: :toast: :yourock: :toast:
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BrokenSegue Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:26 PM
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8. smiley's
please...no more smilieys you got to choose just one.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:14 AM
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3. is this presented in jest?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:17 AM
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4. Well. you gotta admit is was nice that the kid left the money.
You can't get much more moral than that now, can you?
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:45 PM
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6. Gee, Aidoneus.
Got any worthwhile comment, instead of just ridicule?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:31 PM
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9. I thought my response was the one that it deserved
I can elaborate, if you'd like..
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:52 PM
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10. Hmm...
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 08:17 PM by JohnLocke
So, you don't care for debate and argument and all those silly democratic formalities. I see where you're coming from, Aidoneus, I really can.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:10 PM
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11. "I can elaborate, if you'd like.."
:shrug:

the talk of "twisted versions" of words rings quite hollow right about now.

You want my opinion, fair enough. It's the same sort of rah-rah statist drool that I regularly sneer at, and an at times ridiculous recital of such tendencies at that. I can elaborate further, if you'd like.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:20 PM
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14. I would love for you to elaborate...
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:29 PM
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16. likewise, but I've exhausted my expectation of that
give me a few minutes to come up with something..
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:12 PM
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12. Well heck John
some of us are still waiting for an answer in the other thread about Jews and the Holocaust.We were hoping you might have a worthwhile comment instead of just ridicule :shrug:
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:19 PM
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13. Which thread are you referring to? (nt)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:21 PM
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15. this one
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JasonDeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:11 AM
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5. I am very proud of the defenders of Israel.
In war awesome! And I have always said if Israel was in charge of the worldwide war on terror the war would be over. And the world would be relatively peaceful. Of course the republican presidents and those who support the republican foreign policy would have to be dealt with because they are the ones who have created the world's despots the last 20 + years.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:47 PM
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BrokenSegue Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:24 PM
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7. uk
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 05:24 PM by BrokenSegue
"Ah yes, through the prism of logic" - you know who
I believe those words uttered by the greatest of poets applies here.
He went on to say, "When one fails to see the prism he fails to see the logic"

Need I say more?
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:33 PM
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19. Which poet was that, Mr. Segue?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:33 PM
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BrokenSegue Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:01 PM
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27. The Venerable and wonderous...
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 10:02 PM by BrokenSegue
Sadly I have lost my reference for the quote.. I got it from one of the books strewn upon my desk. iw as joking about the "You obviously should know" line.

Why do you ask Locke are you a Literature major as well? I'm majoring in pre-Guttenburg manuscripts and non-moveable prints. You? I assume you're in college...You talk like a student.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:29 PM
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17. Kol Ha’kavod Le’Tsahal
Not.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:41 PM
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20. Yes.
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 09:41 PM by JohnLocke
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:45 PM
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21. Amusing
About a day ago a center-right (well-known) Israeli commentator called that phrase "over-used".

LOL.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:48 PM
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22. Dan Margalit, no?
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 09:51 PM by JohnLocke
;)
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:07 PM
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23. Correct
The reader comments were quite funny in response. I thought so anyway.

("Bomber Harris" opined, a bunch started a fight over language and the rest mostly ignored the op-ed, which was quite good)
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 07:31 AM
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24. LOL
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:54 PM
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26. Kick
There was a dupe, so I guess people are interested. Cheers!!
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