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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 07:25 PM
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PNC declares state of emergency in Gaza Strip
The Palestinian National Security Council declared a state of emergency in the Gaza Strip early Saturday following a spate of kidnappings of Palestinian officials and French citizens.

The declaration called for increased protection around Palestinian government facilities and cancelled all leave for security officials.

A Palestinian security official said the preventive security chief in Gaza, Rashid Abu Shbak, and the head of Palestinian general intelligence, Amin Hindi, had submitted their resignations to Arafat "because of the state of chaos and the lack of action by the Palestinian Authority to make reforms."

It was unclear if Arafat had accepted the resignations.

The announcement came in the early hours of Saturday, shortly after gunmen freed four French citizens and a Palestinian colleague they had been holding hostage in the southern town of Khan Yunis.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/452469.html
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kidnapping french citizens??

wait till eygpt has to deal with this.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 09:04 PM
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1. Apparently you missed this one, Doc
Please click here.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 04:29 AM
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3. Saw that.....thanks.
Any thoughts as to why gaza has become a circus??
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:14 AM
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4. It's a complicated question. Here's a "brief" answer
Most of the blame for this goes to the PA, although the Sharon government does not escape unscathed.

First of all, let's try to envision a Palestine (which exists, even if there is no Palestinian state) without Arafat. For better or worse, he has been such an entrenched symbol of Palestinian nationalism for decades that it is difficult to imagine the scene after he take his final exit. Yet Arafat has really been relevant only as a symbol for since the collapse of the Oslo process. He continues to hold the reins of government in the PA, which means he controls the funding. As we know, not all the money that flows into the PA goes where it is supposed to go. Arafat isn't giving up the PA as long as he can skim some funds for his private use. This is a man in his seventies who is rumored to be in poor health acting like he can take it with him.

Arafat's new irrelevance has left a power vacuum even without his departure. The fact that he is still there complicates matters, since as long as he is present he will tolerate no challenge to his authority over the PA. That doesn't keep the question of who shall govern the Palestinian people from being asked.

Like most things in the Arab world, the question of who shall govern Palestine presents a Hobson's choice. There are progressive Palestinians such as Hanan Ashwari, Yasser Abed Rabbo, Dr. Mufstafa Barghouti and Professor Sari Nusseibeh. These are the kind of people who will lead Palestine into a secular, progressive and democratic society. Good policy toward the territories should be to advance the credibility of those just named. As it is, these people are irrelevant because they have little popular support.

Unfortunately, these people are overwhelmed by the PA and the right wing militants. This is partly due to Sharon's intransigence. Sharon has been acting as if there should be no Palestinian authority other than Israeli occupation. Perhaps this is because he believed that a Greater Israel was possible, which is to say that he believed that Palestinian nationalism is something that could be broken by force. In this, he was and continues to be just fundamentally wrong.

To put it another way, the problem is that Sharon, the leader of the Likud Party and what passes for a pragmatic voice of the Israeli right wing, has had a different answer to who shall govern the Palestinian people. He thinks the Israelis should. Sharon has tried to buy time by signing onto weak agreements like the Road Map. The Road Map produced a set of circumstances where Sharon and Arafat could agree on something: the desire that it fail. Sharon really didn't want any Palestinian prime minister to succeed and Arafat didn't want a Palestinian prime minister instituted to challenge his authority. The Road Map led to a dead end.

The idea that Israeli occupation can continue indefinitely and that Israelis will meet little or no resistance if they continue to uproot Palestinian villages and farms to make way for Jewish-only housing accessed by roads on which Palestinians are prohibited from using is nonsense. The best Palestinians can hope for in this vision of the future is to be put on reservations; that they will resist this future in one way or another is natural. It is incredible that any intelligent or sane person would think for a moment that such an arrangement as the Likudists and their allies envision is even possible. However, we are not talking about intelligent or sane people; we are talking about right wingers. That such nonsense is possible is a right wing article of faith.

Of course, it isn't possible. That renders the Likudist dream of a Greater Israel in a sea of pacified Palestinians with second class citizenship every bit as irrelevant as Arafat's dream of being able to remain on earth and skim funds off the PA for all eternity.

Another vision of Palestine is presented by the Palestinian right wing militants. This is a Palestine that, like the Likudist Greater Israel, stretches from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea and in which non-Arabs -- indeed, non-Muslims, Arab or otherwise -- will have fewer rights than a class designated to rule. Of course, Israel is strong enough to maintain its own existence at least within the confines of the Green Line or something close to it, so the idea of a single state where one nationality has legal supremacy over the other is no more possible with Arabs dominating Jews than it is with Jews dominating Arabs.

Thus, this vision also is irrelevant as fully laid out, but may have some viability in a limited form. Sooner or later Israel will have to end the occupation, uproot the settlements and acquiesce to a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza. That the Palestinian state that could emerge is an Islamic dictatorship is possible. As progressives, we would not view such a state as desirable, but it is possible. For the Palestinian people, it would not be as good as the secular democracy that would emerge if progressive Palestinians like those named above were to mold the Palestinian state and society, but it is better than the prospects of continued Israeli occupation where the rights of Israelis to build settlements outweigh the rights of Palestinians wishing to harvest olives.

The reality we must face is that at this time it is the Islamic right wing that holds the real power in Palestine. They have the guns. They have been leading the active Resistance to Israeli occupation, an occupation that all Palestinians would like to see end. Now, they are challenging the authority of the PA. If there were free and fair elections in Palestine, Arafat, the symbol of Palestinian nationalism, might remain in power, but most of his political allies, like the Gaza police commissioner, would probably be voted out. Since there are no free and fair elections in Palestine, the people are doing the next best thing: throwing corrupt public officials out by force of arms.

Thus, the Islamic right is seeking to further its credibility by taking up arms not only against the Israeli occupation but against the PA. They regard both as enemies of the people. It is difficult to disagree with them in that respect.

If it is true that the Palestinians -- meaning Arafat and his people -- never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, then it is equally true that the Israelis have missed several opportunities. Perhaps Arafat should not have walked out of Camp David before making a counter offer; on the other hand, perhaps Barak's "generous" offer should have more closely resembled one that a respectable Palestinian leader could have accepted.

The present strength of Palestinian Islamists rose out of the ashes of Oslo. At this time, they have emerged as the active alternative to the PA and the Israelis. They will remain strong until the Palestinian people are presented with a viable alternative to all three.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:24 AM
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5. You get your monies worth when you're asked a question.
Well written....and way to much to dissect it properly.

I must say that i do not view Hanan Ashwari as any sort
of progressive.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:50 AM
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6. and I must say..
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 12:12 PM by Aidoneus
I doubt seriously there is the slightest ability in you to decently judge the last point. Frontpagemag, Newsmax, WorldNetDaily, WorldTribune, the Jerusalem Post, etc.. do NOT form a base for the inspiration of "progressive" (a raped and bastardized term these days anyway) thought.. a steady diet of that, in all seriousness no less, pretty much renders one permanently fucked for judgement on the matter by any decent standard.

To answer your original question.

In short, I would attribute the constant mutilation of the Gaza Open Air Prison Complex & Firing Range by the armed forces of the Zionist state and the pathetic impotence of the PA to do a damn thing about it would lead steadily to the rejection of their authority as illegitimate and useless. Hamas provides a better standard of living for the people there than Arafat's crew, and al-Qassam a more vigorous defense of them, therefore the former is favoured over the latter. When such a mood is not reflected in an official apparatus, that apparatus meets resistance from those it does not serve; such may apply to a wide variety of other matters.

Marwan Barghouti could perhaps save Fatah after the old man is put into the ground, but I guess he'll be on ice until Nasrallah comes up with something new to have him liberated him with.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:03 PM
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7. Riiiiight.....
so you "favour" hamas as the controlling authority in gaza....


And i really enjoyed you calling Israel that "ZIONIST STATE".



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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:11 PM
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8. I favour ruling authorities to reflect those that the people support
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 12:23 PM by Aidoneus
(Short version; the longer would be a far greater distraction and effort than I feel like going into at this time)
In the most basic of forms, that's what "democracy" is about. If you're for that, then that's the result at this time.

The trouble for the old man's crew is not limited to Gaza; Fatah's pull in the Lebanese camps is eroding even faster than in the OPT. I don't think the movement will survive the day after he's put into dirt (somewhere on the al-Aqsa grounds, I would hope). The old guard and what would resemble a landed elite will scramble to keep their blood-stained ivory towers reasonably intact (probably crawling even deeper into the US-Zionist lap to do so), the younger generation will hopefully succeed in shaking off the both of them.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:33 PM
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10. Apparently you're unable to even say the word "ISRAEL".
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 12:36 PM by drdon326



I love the inflammatory statements such as:
"The Zionist State"
"Gaza open air prison etc."
"US-Zionist lap"

Perhaps you forget Arafat's decision to call for the 2nd infitada as opposed to a counter offer as a possible cause for this circus ??



And since you think Fatah should be "saved" check out their constitution....... which i'm sure you've read many times:

http://www.fateh.net/e_public/constitution.htm#The%20Movement's%20Essential

And my favorite part...

"Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence."


can you say "GENOCIDE" ??

{apparently , like you , they cant say the word "israel" either}



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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:58 PM
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11. I have indeed read it before, though I believe only once
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 01:09 PM by Aidoneus
Much of the upper echelon bureaucrats are in violation of one of the earliest lines, 'Don't, therefore, dear brother bring your march to a halt!'.. There is much in it I agree with now that I look upon it again, but there are certain discrepancies in the living examples and the document itself.

On the side:--Chapter One, Article 8 uses the term.. first and only on the page, but a usage all the same.

As I've said before, and is easily demonstrated, the intifada began well below the old man. That they hitched a ride was just a matter of the old guard trying to keep their relevance (upon returning, Arafat thought Tourism a better investment--the joke was on him since most of that shit has been ripped to pieces by now!), while at the same time kissing the hand that buries their sons and begging for scraps from its stolen plate.

The offer that the old man had made is itself an incredible compromise, indeed an unacceptable one by the very constitution you linked and by those he means to represent--this just by showing up to the affair. If I robbed a bank and was allowed to keep some 80% of the swag (random pirate talk, matey) as the Zionists are, I'd not be a greedy clown about the rest and would rightly expect the contempt of the management were I to press the matter further than what they have foolishly left off the table. But that's just me.

I suspect my remarks are inevitably to be some level of a bitter swallow for you. But as a practice, I try not to let a potential knee-jerk emotional reaction outweigh the point I mean to make, as results of this have been a concern to me in the past, though I suppose no real attempt is made to water them down from exactly what I intend to say. There is often the case, with present company particularly so, where such little hangups go far towards sapping their attention given to my real point(s). But in the end, if the reader fucks it up in spite of my best efforts, that's just not my concern. At least I speak with a decent grasp of the English language, usually firm control of emotional outbursts (maybe a little too firm), and sentences that contain both proper structure and an actual coherent point to be made.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 02:20 PM
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13. the decoder ring IS in the mail
I promise..
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 01:06 PM
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12. The truth is a painful thing
:)
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 09:50 PM
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2. might want to hold back...
on the unbridled glee...bad form.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 02:36 PM
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14. I started a thread with an update of this story from the BBC
It appears that the Prime Minister and his entire government attempted to resign, but Arafat would not accept the resignations.

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