Abbas says intifada was mistake

[Englander]

Associated Press
Wednesday December 15, 2004
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1373865,00.html

Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian leader campaigning to succeed Yasser Arafat in elections next month, said the four-year-old armed uprising against Israel was a mistake and must end.

His strong statement, which could cost him some electoral support, sent a challenge to militants and set the stage for a resumption of peace efforts if he wins.

In an interview with the London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq al-Awsat, Mr Abbas said Palestinians should continue resisting Israeli occupation, but only through non-violent means.

"The uprising is a legitimate right of the people to express their rejection of the occupation by popular and social means," Mr Abbas said. "Using the weapons was harmful and has got to stop."

[drdon326]

1. BWAHAHAHA..

yeah......'we shouldnt use weapons <wink,wink> to commit genocide against the brothers of jews and monkeys <wink,wink> and i will give more money<wink,wink> to these groups in order to dissuade them'

When the holocaust denier lifts a finger and arrests one terrorists , i MIGHT believe it.

[Englander]

3. You are nothing,if not predictable...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,965907,00.html

Palestinian leader rejects allegation of Holocaust denial

Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Thursday May 29, 2003
The Guardian

"I have no desire to argue with the figures," Mahmoud Abbas told the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz.

"The Holocaust was a terrible, unforgivable crime against the Jewish nation, a crime against humanity that cannot be accepted by humankind. The Holocaust was a terrible thing, and nobody can claim I denied it."


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Have a guess which web-sites also claim Abbas=denier..no,go on, have a guess.. Ah,you already know,eh?

[drdon326]

4. "Blinded by the light...."

Mahmoud Abbas (abu Mazen)

In 1983, in an early public example of denial from an indigenous Middle Eastern source, a Palestinian named Mahmoud Abbas (also known as Abu Mazen) wrote The Other Side: The Secret Relationship between Nazism and the Zionist Movement. In the book, Abbas suggested that the six million figure was "peddled" by the Jews but that in fact "the Jewish victims may number six million or be far fewer, even fewer than one million." In 1995, reports of the book's existence reached the Western press, largely because of the public prominence that Abbas had attained as the chief PLO architect of the Oslo peace accords and cosigner of the 1993 Declaration of Principles in Washington. The California-based Simon Wiesenthal Center publicly called for Abbas to clarify his position on the Holocaust, but no clear statement was forthcoming. In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv, Abbas tried to frame the issue in terms of realpolitik. "When I wrote The Other Side...we were at war with Israel," Abbas said. "Today I would not have made such remarks...Today there is peace and what I write from now on must help advance the peace process."

http://www.adl.org/holocaust/denial_ME/hdme_origins.asp

on edit

"I have no desire to argue with the figures," ..."nobody can claim I denied it."

20 years later hes says something else....can anyone really be that surprised ?? :eyes:

[ashiebr]

5. "The California-based Simon Wiesenthal Center .....

..... publicly called for Abbas to clarify his position on the Holocaust".

Unfortunately, when he does and calls it a crime against humanity, certain heejits who frequent extremist sites, scorn that clarification.

Let's face it, some people won't be happy until all Palestinains admit that every single one of them is a personal member of C88 and routinely take trips to France to desecrate Jewish graves.

[Forkboy]

6. lol

[pelsar]

9. arab politics.....

maybe he means it, maybe he doesnt, maybe he doesnt, but events will move in that direction and take him along withit, maybe they wont and the violence will continue and he'll be invited to the white house.....maybe he meant it for external consumption maybe he meant it for Hizballa, maybe he was talking to egypt, and maybe he wasnt...

only events on the ground will actually a show a change....understanding arab politics in a English paper is like.....well you cant.

[ashiebr]

10. No, of course not Pelsar...

...only you with your unique knowledge and first-hand experience (which you, of course, never tell anyone about) can do it for us.

The rest of us know nothing.

[pelsar]

11. no ashiebr....

I claim no knowledge here, in fact quite the opposite I claim that i have absolutly no idea what it means.......

though if you have some interesting thoughts on it.....go for it.

first hand experience?...what would you like to know?....just ask.

[Djinn]

13. OK

how is it that you can recall back to 1948 but are still getting called up for service?

[pelsar]

14. recall back to 48?

I'm dont understand the question... anything i know of 48 is just what I've read, learned about etc....like anybody else.

i started my service in 1979-infantry

[ashiebr]

15. What you've learned??

Dear me, well you can't possibly know anything about it if you weren't actually there.

[Djinn]

16. just basing on your ever changing posts pelsar

when you say "I don't recall" when refering to incidences that happened since the Nakba you insinuate you are OLD enough to recall that time period

[pelsar]

17. aabout 48-then i wrote it wrong......

but when i do talk to/listen to someone who was there, I definitly respect their own personal experiences realizing very much that what ever is written in the books is probably less then .1% of the experiences of the millions of people involved.

and since I noticed here there is a lot of debasing of the IDFs actions with little understanding of how armies/PA/jihad... operates I thought i would shed light on the subject:

for example why when shooting a mortor from a civilian built up area, there is a very high percentage that there will be return fire and civilians may get hit...and that the hamas/jihad know this.....that kind of info seemed to be missing from this forum. So why I dont get is why is that bad to know this?

why is so bad (as that is my impression) to understand what makes the other side work?

and along those lines how would someone whos never actually been involved know more than someone who has?.....isnt that a bit upside down logic?

[displacedtexan]

2. And then there's this...

Hamas Cancels Anniversary Rally Amid Concerns About Israeli Attack

By Ibrahim Barzak Associated Press Writer
Published: Dec 15, 2004

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Hamas on Wednesday canceled its 17th anniversary rally over concerns that Israel could target leaders of the Islamic militant group in retaliation for a deadly attack on an army outpost in Gaza.

Hamas rallies are elaborate shows of force, with marching gunmen, displays of weapons and re-enactments of attacks on Israelis.

The decision to cancel Friday's rally comes at a time when Hamas is competing for power with rival factions, including the ruling Fatah movement. Displays of popular support are crucial both during the run-up to the Jan. 9 election for Palestinian Authority president and the planned Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The cancelation came a day after the interim Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, said the armed uprising was a mistake and must end. Abbas, a pragmatist who opposes violence, is trying to negotiate a cease-fire with Hamas, which has killed hundreds of Israelis in bombings and shootings in the past decade.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBWLFAFR2E.html

[newyorican]

7. Well now that Abbas is the man...

the partisan asshats know who to demonize now...

[QueerJustice]

8. He still has...

a LOT to prove...

....so far hes doing a lousy Job....

[bemildred]

12. I simply don't think he's up to the job of replacing Yasir in that regard.

He seems a rather bland suit-droid, selected for that, apparently.
It will be interesting to see how he does in the "election" coming up.

[Tuco Ramirez]

18. The intifada kept the name (and dream) of Palestine alive.

Other, wise, it would get as much attention as, say, Rwanda, where nothing was done (or planned) while 800,000 people died.

[The Magistrate]

19. Mr. Abbas Is Correct, Sir

The decision of the Arab Palestinian political leadership to fight in the autumn of 2000 must be ranked as one of the most calamatous mis-judgements ever made by the leadership of that afflicted people. It has brought them nothing but penurious misery, and may well prove to have extinguished any possibilty of a reasonable liquidation of the conflict.

It remains to be seen whether this statement will work to Mr. Abbas' political benefit among the people he hopes will elect him to lead them. That a statement is true does not mean it will be appreciated.

[drdon326]

20. You will forgive me if I'm a tad dubious.....

His nobel-ness, arafat , was quite legendary at fooling alot of people by saying one thing in English and the exact opposite to his people....even fooled me early on.


Talk is cheap and if Abbas kow-tows to hamas et al and fails to eliminate these TERRORIST groups from the equation, then he will be no better than his predecessor.

So far...all empty talk.

[The Magistrate]

21. Certainly, My Good Doctor

Words without deeds are like faith without works, empty and barren. Mr. Abbas is, however, not yet in a position to match words with deeds on this regard, and one of the questions we must await an answer to is whether these words will aid him in achieving such a position or no. They will certainly gain him some support in Western circles, and possibly in Israel, but whether these words are popular among Arab Palestinians remains to be seen. If a majority of that unhappy people has reached the same conclusion these words embody, then they may prove popular among them, and Mr. Abbas may not only gain a position from which he can act on them, but be also able to act on them with some effect.

[TheKingfish]

22. What a sellout

What an idiotic thing to say even if he thinks its true. And what does he get for this US/Israel but kissing. Nothing. He will never get anything. Very naive man.

[The Magistrate]

23. Ahh, Well, Sir

We could rely on you to be in the fore-front of the battle, eh? Shield held high, putting a round right through the vision-slit of the tank, holding the road-block all alone in a style that would put the noble Horatius himself in awe....

"The eagerness of green troops for battle is not to be too greatly relied on."