What the Fuck is this!! And their spying in us to-boot

[hangloose]

U.S Financial Aid To Israel:
Figures, Facts, and Impact

Summary
Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Cost per Israeli
$23,240

Special Reports:


Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel's annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.

In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short- and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years.

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign- aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.

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and there's much much more...........

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[aquart]

1. And your problem with aid to the only democracy in the MidEast is.......?

BTW, can you please tell me WHY the per capita income is lower in the oil-rich nations and why you have absolutely no concern about what is happening in those non-democracies?

[shance]

4. Aquart, aid to a Democracy is one thing, look at the AMOUNT.

Its a tad imbalanced, don't you think?

I see a lot of domestic policies here that could greatly benefit from more funding. Why are we giving so much to one country?

To cut anything off at the chase, I have no religious affiliation whatsoever and I resent it when people jump to that conclusion before looking at the situation for what it is.

It would be helpful and respectful for Americans to know these things since we are the ones paying for it.

[Union Thug]

5. Because Israel is dependency state.

it is not a viable state and would collapse if it weren't for the american tax payer funded sugar daddy states of America.

For myself, I'm not sure I want any of my tax dollars going to support a state formed and dedicated to a specific relgious group. Nor do I want my tax dollars being spent on weapons that Sharon and his lil troop of fascists use to butcher and oppress another group of people who just happen to be of another religious persuasion Hey, if you want some kind of twisted democratic theocracy that wages wars against those that disagree on the level of personal mythologies, do it on your own buck. This middle ages crap is old and stale.

[The Gigmeister]

9. Please!!??

"Isreal is a dependecy state"???

The Jews came back to Israel and built a paradise where a desert was. Ever heard of the Green Line? Isreal's side is reclaimed, beautiful, fruitful, former-desert. The other side is basically the same it's been forever...Worthless desert.

Israel is the ONLY democracy in the hell-hole that is known as the Middle East. Israeli-Arabs enjoy more freedoms in Israel than Arabs of other countries do. In Israel, unlike other Middle-Eastern countries, women are PEOPLE! And are treated as such!

Isreal is our ONLY reliable ally in the Middle East. That ALONE is worth 5 times the aid we provide.

Israel was founded by persecuted Jews. Jews who did NOT want any hand-outs...Did NOT want to be "Dependents"...Jews who ONLY wanted a chance to control their historic homeland so they could defend their brothers and sisters should their people ever be persecuted again.

"Dependency State"?? You make me laugh! Find another reason to bash Israel, that one does not wash!!

[Walt Starr]

11. If the U.S. stopped the flow of dollars to Israel

Israel would fall within five years.

Yes, Israel is dependent upon the sugar daddy U.S. taxpayers and it's time we cut them off cold turkey!

[The Gigmeister]

15. No...They would just finish the wars the Arab states started...

...And then concor their enemies for good.

It would be ugly, but Israel would be left standing...The Arab states would be left smoldering.

The Jewish Peoples are not going to be exposed to extermination again...Period.

[Walt Starr]

16. I disagree completely

Israel only exists because we send it so much cash.

And the world would be a better place if we stopped sending the cash and let it die.

[The Gigmeister]

17. Israel exists because it always has...And always will.

I'm not a believer in the bible (Literally), but there are two things I know for sure...

1) Jews have been in Israel since the beginning of time.

2) Jews have been persecuted since the beginning of time and still, they prosper.

[Walt Starr]

21. Both of your statements are false on their face

Judaism has not existed since the beginning of time, ergo your statements are false on their face.

The earth has not existed since the beginning of time.

Our sun has not existed since the beginning of time.

Our galaxy has not existed since the beginning of time.

Ergo, there is no possible way Judaism could ahve existed since the beginning of time and your statements fail.

[drdon326]

18. Gee ...thats really lovely....

And the world would be a better place if we stopped sending the cash and let it die.

Interesting you feel the world would be better if israel just died.

Thankfully, israel doesnt feel that way about you.

I will let others decide for themselves.

[drdon326]

19. The more i read that.....

the more amazed I am at that kind of statement.....

And the world would be a better place if we stopped sending the cash and let it die.

is allowed to stand.

Israel has 6+ million people and advocating their death reaches a new low in du history.

I wont even bother hitting the alert....this is waaaay past alert.

[Walt Starr]

20. I advocated the death of the nation

not the people.

I would appreciate you not putting words into my mouth.

Also, according to you, if we stopped sending money to Israel the nation would not die. If so, fine by me, I don't think it would but I damn sure would like to see the United States take a neutral stance instead of consistently propping up Israel.

[King Mongo]

13. Mid East & Democracy

Well, Yemen is a democracy. This means that Israel is not the only democracy.

However, one must recognize that Eretz Israel is not a democracy. Israel has been a democracy since it gave some Palestinians more rights in 1966, but Eretz Israel is not a democracy since many Palestinians in Eretz Israel still cannot vote. Eretz Israel is the "holy land" also known as Israel including Judea and Samaria but maybe excluding Gaza (decision still pending).

One must also recognize that the Likud party does not want US money because such money can be used to influence Isralei policies. Of course, however, this is not an issue as long as Bush is in office.

[txaslftist]

12. Don't we already have a twisted democratic theocracy?

I mean, here?

[madrchsod]

2. yup..friends like this

who needs enemies. oh well nothing will ever change this. money talks and palestinians die.

[dave123williams]

3. Yeah; it's a real shame that they keep blowing themselves up in cafes.

[Divine Discontent]

6. shouldn't this be in the Israeli/Palestinian section? Is there one still?

and btw, I don't like the aid either.. it's way too much, and I don't like them not giving the Palestinians land/country.

[TrustingDog]

7. shhhhh! you know you cannot speak of these things here.... n/t

[Forkboy]

8. I'm betting that's not the actual headline

:)

[Walt Starr]

10. IMO we should not send a single dime to Israel

Let it stand or fall on its own.

[DELUSIONAL]

14. Meanwhile Uncle Sam sends 15 million to victims in Asia

plus 20 million of credit.

Meanwhile all US citizens don't have health care.

Stop sending billions to Israel -- and force them to find a way toward the path of peace. Much of these grants support ongoing warfare --

If the US had wise leaders with long range goals -- we would be on a road toward world peace. But the US leaders tend to support dictators who support the US military industrial complex.

Onward Christian Soldiers -- Going off to war . . . .

[number6]

22. YA !!

:kick:

[Lithos]

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