Holy crap! Reuters: Palestinians vow "uprising" if Jews visit revered site

[iconoclastic cat]

Where was I when this crap started up?

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-04-09T130901Z_01_JON947282_RTRUKOC_0_MIDEAST-SHRINE.xml

GAZA (Reuters) - More than 10,000 Palestinians have demonstrated and warned of a "third uprising" if rightist Jews hoping to derail plans for a Gaza withdrawal try to enter a sensitive Jerusalem site on Sunday.

Israeli police have increased their presence in Jerusalem and have said they would bar Jewish activists from carrying out plans to enter the site revered by Muslims as al-Haram al-Sharif (Noble Sanctuary) and by Jews as the Temple Mount.
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More news on this here:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite%3Fpagename%3DJPost/JPArticle/ShowFull%26cid%3D1112926804212

Hmmm...would someone be wanting to start the Apocalypse?

[wakeme2008]

1. I hate religious wackos

they do not care about peace just want to kill people because their God told them to.


Now both Israel and the Palestinians have told these wack jobs not to go, but I will bet they do.

[King Ludwig]

8. My weary mind is dragged back to Terri Schiavo

and that wierdo Franciscan monk (KGO's "Korel" had some interesting observations on Franciscan Brother Paul) and Randall Terry and Jeb's "Strike Team" to militarily reinsert the feeding tube, and Tom DeLay, and Mel Martinez, and Bill Frist, and Martinez staffie Brian Darling, and now the Revava folks and the Palestinian counterpart of Revava.

This is truly an epidemic. We need a vaccine before the "Intelligent Design Creationists" and their "Right To Life" allies - of all faiths - take over.

Tom Frank's "What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America" describes a world wide pandemic - not restricted to any one community of faith.

[wakeme2008]

10. Welcome to DU

:toast:

[Cassandra]

2. Perhaps it is unwise but...

Jews would like as much respect for their reverence for their holiest site as the Palestinians are already accorded for their reverence for their third holiest site. Why is it always the Jews who are expected to just suck it up?

[rodeodance]

3. I believe it started the day before the Pope's funeral-but all eyes were

on Rome-and Bush comings and goings

[Colorado Blue]

15. Actually, this has been going on for awhile, the Israeli police

and government are on it.

Naturally, nobody wants trouble. Except the warmongers, of course.

I agree in general, though, that the Jewish people should be allowed to respect their own #1 holy site; it's a part of ancient history even if you don't believe in the biblical stuff, and deeply a part of a VERY old tradition.

The Muslims need to see that, too. The own the rest of the M.E. and way beyond that, we have this ONE site.

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[papau]

5. storming a mosque ?? - I thought it was a walk to the wall and around the

mount.

When did any attempt to enter the Mosque or its the courtyard become part of what was planned?

In any case 10,000 police will be stopping the march.

[Cassandra]

6. I hope there is some distinction made, on both sides,

between storming a mosque and visiting a sacred site.

[Coastie for Truth]

7. How did YOU get to "Storming A Mosque"

and what do you mean by "I suppose thousands of people storming a mosque is a sacred part of the liturgy,"

Please explain.

[newyorican]

9. Jewish Settlers Plan to Storm Al-Aqsa

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x87833

Still lost in bewilderment as to how someone arrived at "Storming" the compound?

It was broadcast on Israeli TV and reported on in several newspapers.

Damn that search function!

[papau]

11. islam-online uses the word "storm" in most reports on Jewish movement

As in "Many were the times when Israeli occupation forces had stormed the mosque’s esplanade and clashed with worshippers"

But you are correct that islam-online has used the word in describing this planned event - and for once it seems appropiate.

Even allowing for the spin that Channel 7 pirate radio ship Arutz Sheva Radio can be expected to put on it.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=562567&contrassID=1&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

High alert on the Temple Mount

By Haaretz Editorial

The decision by the security establishment to close the Temple Mount to Jews on Sunday again invokes the bitter memory left by Ariel Sharon's visit to the holy site on September 28, 2000. That visit, which Ehud Barak's government agonized over whether or not to permit, ignited the second intifada.

The members of the Revava movement who have called on masses of Israelis to come to the Temple Mount on Sunday apparently hope to be the spark for setting ablaze the next intifada and perhaps succeeding this time, too, in thwarting diplomatic moves, particularly the evacuation of the Gaza Strip. Judging by the level of alert declared by the security forces, it appears that, in addition to the fear of the consequences of Revava's protest plans, the Shin Bet security service has indications that Jews are planning to carry out a terror attack on the Temple Mount. As most of the residents of Gush Katif are not violent and will apparently agree to leave their homes, the Shin Bet is extremely apprehensive about the possibility that extremists in that camp will take pains to disrupt the agreement. Extreme right-wing circles assume that it will still be possible to prevent the pullout through an act or acts that will shock the entire region. There are people like that all over the country, and their strength lies in their morally unmitigated determination.

All the security experience and know-how that Israel has accumulated, and in which it has invested billions, now has to be mobilized to prevent this scenario from coming to fruition. Failure to thwart an act of Jewish terror or a mass provocation at this critical stage will show that Israel's democratic regime has not learned a lesson from the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, or from the affair of the Jewish underground that also had plans "to cleanse the Temple Mount."

Meanwhile there are no signs in the conduct of the army or the police indicating that they are taking the Jewish troublemakers with sufficient seriousness. Ten-year-olds are able to interfere with the activities of army and police detachments, to break the limbs of policemen and to make the lives of Palestinians miserable - and other than brief revolving-door arrests, the attitude toward them has been one merely of inexplicable leniency rather than a firmer-than-usual hand.

The first test will come on Sunday at the Temple Mount. The decision to close the mount to Jews is important, but it is not sufficient. The declaration of intent by the right to bring masses to the site has already touched off counter-demonstrations on the part of Muslims, and there is a concrete threat of escalation. It is to be hoped that the Palestinian Authority and the Israeli Arab leadership will be successful in calming tempers, and that they will understand that ferment can merely serve to undermine the interests of peace-seekers in the region and play into the hands of those who are excited by the thought of war and undeterred by bloodshed.

The Palestinians should understand that the majority of the Israeli public is interested in quiet, and they should not fall victim to the anticipated provocations of the right. Even after the security forces do their utmost to prevent violence on the Temple Mount, there is still a chance that an individual terrorist could succeed in carrying out a plot. Even a "success" of this kind, heaven forbid, should not be allowed to disrupt the important plan to promote an agreement between the sides.

[King Ludwig]

12. "Storm" is about appropriate as describing the conduct

of bizzaro Franciscan monk Brother Paul (KGO's "Korel" had some interesting observations on Franciscan Brother Paul) and Rev Randall Terry and Governor Jeb Bush's "Strike Team" (to militarily reinsert the feeding tube), and Rev. Jesse Jackson locked arm-in-arm in prayer with Randall Terry, and Tom DeLay, and Mel Martinez and side kick Brian Darling, and Bill Frist (with his Harvard MD diagnoses by long distance tv based on heavily edited five year old home videos) as "storming" the Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, FL.

I think there is too much hyperbole on this event.

Question - didn't Suleiman Tours (the Palestinian Tour Bus company in Jerusalem) used to give tours of the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque to (non-Muslim) Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Buddist, etc. tourists, with Egyptian Sunnis as the tour guides/lecturers. I remember those from the 1980's. (No, I am not on drugs, nor do I have dementia or Alzheimers).

[Yosie]

13. A Tempest in a Teapot - in a region where tempests explode

but "Question - didn't Suleiman Tours (the Palestinian Tour Bus company in Jerusalem) used to give tours of the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque to (non-Muslim) Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Buddist, etc. tourists, with Egyptian Sunnis as the tour guides/lecturers. I remember those from the 1980's." - yes. I remember those tours. Our tour guide on the bus was a Palestinian Muslim young woman -- and the tour guide at the Mosques was an Egyptian "seminarian" - very articulate young man. (Summer of 1980)

[papau]

14. I also recall the bus tours of the 80's - and I agree with your definition

of "storm"

In this case, if planned as described in islam-online, it does appear to be a "storming".

If only a walk about - as I thought was planned - it is a "provacation" similiar to Sharon's - and should be stopped or heavily controlled

[simcha_6]

16. The Israeli government banned non-Muslims from visiting the site.

They're trying to prevent it (it's probably happened or not as I write this, but I haven't heard how it resulted.)

[Coastie for Truth]

17. Huge Police Force Bars Israeli Rightist Rally at Jerusalem Holy Site

Today's New York Times (Monday, April 11, 2005) -- http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/11/international/middleeast/11mideast.html?

"JERUSALEM, April 10 - About 3,000 Israeli police officers moved into positions throughout Jerusalem's Old City on Sunday, foiling a rally called by Israeli rightists at one of Islam's holiest sites.

The police, some of them in helmets and bulletproof vests, arrested at least 31 Israelis to prevent them from entering the Temple Mount, revered as the site of the two Jewish temples. The same spot is revered by Muslims as the Haram al Sharif, which contains Al Aksa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock.

The Israeli rightists were from a group that calls itself Revava, which means "10,000," but they numbered only about 50 on Sunday. Still, they tied up thousands of police officers, and the group's leaders were detained. The police later barred entry to four right-wing legislators, Uri Ariel and Aryeh Eldad of the National Union and Yehiel Hazan and Michael Ratzon of the Likud.

Earlier this week, after the group called for the rally, the government said it would be inflammatory and would not be allowed. It barred Jews and Muslims younger than 40 from the site, to avoid a confrontation, but said it would not bar older Muslims, so they could come to pray. The site has long been considered a tinderbox."<snip>