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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 10:48 AM
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BBC (May 2): Sharansky quits over Gaza plan
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From the BBC Online
Dated Monday May 2

Sharon ally quits over Gaza plan

Israeli cabinet minister Natan Sharansky has submitted his resignation in protest at Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's plans to withdraw from Gaza.

He told Israel Army radio the plan was "a tragic mistake that exacts a high price and also encourages terror" . . . .

Mr Sharansky's resignation is unlikely to sway the prime minister, says the BBC's Lucy Williamson in Jerusalem . . . .

Mr Sharansky said he was resigning because the Gaza withdrawal plan was not conditional on democratic reform of the Palestinian Authority.

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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 11:11 AM
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1. He can always get a job...
being GOD to Shrub...
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:14 PM
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2. We had a discussion about Sharansky about a month ago
On that thread, Mr. Pelsar and I went around about whether Bush's America is a suitable model for a democratic society. I say it is not, but that isn't the subject of this discussion.

During the course of that discussion, I came to suspect (and only suspect, as I have not read Sharansky's book) that Sharansky's views are naive. In any case, the Mother Jones interview characterized his views as a dichotomy of free societies as opposed to societies based on fear. Some observations on this are:
  • that Mr. Sharansky, as a former Soviet dissident, ought to have a very good idea of what a dystopia looks like;
  • that the world is not so neatly divided into free and fear societies, that the difference is one of a quantity of freedom and tyranny passing into the quality of a free/fear society. A discussion of the Hegelian problem is relevant in this matter.
  • that in the brief interview with Mother Jones, Sharansky did not define democracy. By democracy,does he mean democracy as I would define it, a state based on universal and equal citizenship? or does he mean it as a neoliberal would define it, where it is confused with unbridled global capitalism? or does he mean something else entirely?
Accordingly, one might reject Sharansky's thesis that "promoting democracy is a matter of security"; it should be enough for Israel that a credible Palestinian regime would sign a non-aggression pact with the Israeli government.

Israel desperately needs to disengage from the occupied territories. She cannot survive herself as a Jewish democracy if she is going to absorb land on which non-Israelis live. The Palestinians have made it clear that they do not want to be either equal or second class citizens of Israel. They have their own national aspirations and have demonstrated for forty years that they are willing to die for them. There may already be more Arabs than Jews living west of the Jordan River, so Israel could not long remain a Jewish state if she remains democratic, nor a democracy if she chooses to remain a Jewish state.

There may be flaws in Sharon's disengagement plan, but that plan addresses those problems better than does a thesis that claims Israel must insist on a democratic Palestine, by whatever standard of democracy one chooses.
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 04:02 PM
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3. Generally speaking, I agree with you. But, I think we should
Edited on Mon May-02-05 04:03 PM by Colorado Blue
read Sharansky's book before we try to scry his feelings about democracy in general. I am going to order it.

Having said that, I think he certainly has some "street creds" when it comes to discussing totalitarian regimes. If by "naive" you think his viewpoints about democracy might therefore be somewhat idealistic, I think that is possible. Again though, I want to read his book.

Secondly, I believe he is concerned about the original purpose of holding the territories - i.e., they should be given in exchange for peace agreements - which aren't here yet - and also, probably he is - rightly in my opinion - concerned about the degree to which extremists have control of Palestinian politics.

Perhaps, his resignation is probably an attempt to point up those two problems with the situation? It would be a real nightmare if the withdrawals went forward, leaving the Israelis much more vulnerable, and warfare and/or mass waves of terrorism were then launched using the territories as a much closer and totally unsupervised base of operations. Now, for example, terrorists can be interdicted before they strike and to some extent, arms smuggling can be controlled. After a withdrawal, that would be impossible; the forces of the P.A. would be totally on their own.

The only hope for protection would then be a strong and democratic - as in popularly based - Palestinian government committed to peace. That means, the people themselves would be actively working against the warlike elements. Can this even be glimpsed on the horizon?

It is unfortunate but there are elements still dedicated to erasing Eretz Israel from the map. How does one cope with them, especially absent a peace agreement with the Palestinian government and the Arab League? Hamas intends to run for office. What if they win many seats? Have they changed all of a sudden, to a party of peace?
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