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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:21 AM
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Police to probe Jewish terrorist's death
Full Title: Despite Arab calls, police to probe Jewish terrorist's death

Despite the objection of Arab MKs, police announced on Sunday that they will launch an investigation to determine who killed the Jewish terrorist Eden Natan-Zada shortly after he short dead four people in a the northern town of Shfaram last Thursday.

Natan-Zada was killed by an angry mob after he opened fire on passengers in a bus in Shfaram's Druze neighborhood.

Police Northern District Commander Major General Dan Ronen said "there is no escape, as the state's investigating branch, from carrying out an orderly investigation into the incident from all possible angle."

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The Chairman of the Higher Arab-Israeli Monitoring Committee, Shawki Hatib, argued that the killers of Natan-Zada should be given a medal.

"I would expect from police to keep to the same parameters that are used in attacks not against Arabs - to find the person and award him a certificate of honor for limiting the awful massacre," Hatib said.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 12:28 AM
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1. It is outrageous, but please note that it comes from a Israelli newspaper
That is something our country does NOT do. Report things that are negative against the administration.

The Israelli press reports the good and the bad, maybe our media should learn


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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 08:54 AM
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2. Outrageous in what way? n/t
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:02 AM
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3. outrageous that they want to prosecute the people who killed
the person shooting the people aboard the bus

THEY WERE THE VICTIMS, NOT THE ONES WHO STARTED THE INCIDENT

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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:51 AM
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4. They killed
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 10:20 AM by eyl
the terrorist after he was subdued and bound, and was in police custody. That falls outside the realm of self-defense. No nation (not one that wants a shot at being described as "functional") can afford to tolerate mob justice.

Ironically, enough, the same Arab MKs who currently object to the investigation also objected to the commutation of the sentence of a Jew who had killed a bound Palestinian terrorist.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:05 AM
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5. I agree trial by mob rule is not appropriate
but is understandable in the heat of emotion

Baruch Goldstein is best known for having killed 29 Palestinian Muslims during Friday prayers, February 25th, 1994, in the Cave of the Patriarchs, a site in Hebron holy to both Muslims and Jews. After being subdued with a fire extinguisher, Goldstein was beaten to death by survivors. Was that mob rule also?

Your argument, "No nation, (not one that wants a shot at being described as "functional"), can afford to tolerate mob justice" would be valid implies that a group of people on a bus determine whether Palestinians have a state of their own or NOT.

Israel may NOT be to blame for all the problems of the Palestinians, but they sure have NOT helped the situation with the "illegal" settlements.

In fact, its very risky for Sharon at this time, NOT from the Arabs or Palestinians, but the right wing Israellis. I would not be surprised if they were NOT planing to do what they did to Rabin. That too is mob rule.

What I am trying to say is that it is a very fragile situation over their, and many things can derail the whole process

Sharon visting the temple mount in 2000 was for one purpose only, and that was to derail the peace process, and incite riots. He suceeded in both.

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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:27 AM
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6. Goldstein
was killed in the course of his attack, not after he had been taken into custody. The former is self-defense; the latter is little different from a mob breaking into a jailhouse, dragging out a murderer, and stringing him up.

Your argument, "No nation, (not one that wants a shot at being described as "functional"), can afford to tolerate mob justice" would be valid implies that a group of people on a bus determine whether Palestinians have a state of their own or NOT.


Sorry, I have no idea what you're getting at here (or the relevence of the rest of your post).
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 03:51 PM
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7. The relevence of the rest of the post is that it focuses on the real
problem, and that is a Palestinian state beside and Israelli state. Until that occurs, there will be more instances like this on both sides

Incidently, The parents of the soldier who killed the civillians informed the Israelli Army that their son was a danger to himself and others.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:25 PM
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14. Haaretz is a great newspaper, far better on ME issues than anything in the
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 07:26 PM by TomClash
US and if this incident happened in the US wouldn't it be prudent to have the local, state or US Government conduct a full investigation of the incident?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:36 PM
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16. I couldn't agree more
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tucoramirez2005 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:03 PM
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8. Did they mention the 2 CHRISTIAN victims?
They weren't just "Israeli" Arabs; two of them were Christians.

Was this part of any ongoing struggle?

He probably thought they all looked the same...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:08 AM
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9. The point is they were innocents who were killed
It doesn't matter whether they are Jew, Muslim, or Christian

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:13 AM
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10. So true!
But it seems that only Jews are not worthy of sympathy when they are victims. As a Jew, I find that so maddening! I don;t care what race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other descriptor a person is...if they are an innocent, they do not deserve a violent death!
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tucoramirez2005 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:55 AM
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12. As a Christian, I find it maddening
that the faith of 2 of the murder victims won't even be revealed in news sources.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:18 PM
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15. No surprise.
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tucoramirez2005 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:53 AM
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11. In this matter, it does.
If Muslims and Jews want to fight over the land, there was no reason to involve these other people.

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