Hamas Bombmaker Vows to Continue Attacks

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Hamas Bombmaker Vows to Continue Attacks
AP
August 26, 2005

A shadowy Hamas bombmaker who tops Israel's most-wanted list on Saturday issued his first videotaped statement since going into hiding more than a decade ago.

Mohammed Deif praised Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a victory for armed resistance, rejected calls for his group to disarm, and vowed to continue attacks on Israel until the Jewish state is erased from the map.

Deif, who has escaped three Israeli attempts to kill him, has been living underground since 1992. He is so shadowy that the most recent photograph of him is from the 1980s.

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1. Another nail in the coffin for the peace process

The Palestinians need to get their militants under control or this ceasefire may not last.

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2. And how do you suggest this happens?

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3. Blessed are the peacemakers

They ought to affirmatively adopt the non-violence of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr.

Cursed are they who pour gasoline on the flames.

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -- Confucius

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4. Non-violence Gandhi-style would help Abbas control the militants? How?

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13. Look at MLK's thoughts on non-violent means to change society

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5. Excellent choices from three completely different cultures

who show there's another way other than terrorism and militancy. Will they get it?

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7. Now can you explain how non-violence would work against Hamas?.

Israel demands that the PA disarm Hamas. Despite attempts made by the PA to take action against militants, the PA doesn't have the capability to do so as Hamas seems to be much better armed and organised http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x95976

Attempts at force don't work, so how exactly would Gandhi-style non-violent resistance work? The non-violent resistance in India was aimed at the occupying power (the British) and was effective because Britain relied heavily on the Indian economy. In the case of the Palestinians, yr urging of non-violent resistance isn't towards the occupying power (Israel), but towards Hamas which carries out terrorist attacks (on Israelis, not Palestinians) and is heavily armed. Somehow the idea of Abbas succeeding in asking them ever-so-nicely to disarm themselves just doesn't seem realistic. Why would they when they know they're more powerful than the PA when it comes to weapons and organisation? And as for the ordinary Palestinian, where's the incentive for them to want to take action against Hamas but not Israel?

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6. Live From Gaza: A New View of Israel

And here is another take from a Palestinian on how to make things work


(New York Times)
By DAOUD KUTTAB
Published: August 21, 2005
Ramallah, West Bank

SOMETHING strange happened last week: Israeli settlers and Jewish extremists appeared human on Arab TV. This is not to say that Arabs have suddenly become soft on their historical enemies. But hours and hours of watching - on all stations, including Al Jazeera - close-ups of mothers and babies, of young women and older men, visibly in anguish as they were forced out of their homes, had an emotional effect.
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While not agreeing with either the settlers or the actions of Palestinian militants, the rest of us must start understanding and respecting them as humans. And it would help if the international news media began portraying ordinary Palestinians, too, with a touch of humanity.

Any sane person should by now realize that any long-term solution can only be achieved by level-headed leaders who can make mutual compromises and concessions. Only bilateral Palestinian-Israeli talks, with the help of the international community, can bring a lasting agreement.

The dramatic scenes from Gaza should lead us all to double our efforts to ensure that Palestinians can be free in an independent state, alongside a safe and secure Israel.

Daoud Kuttab is the director of the Institute of Modern Media at Al-Quds University.

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9. That had nothing to do with non-violent resistance against Hamas...

Instead it stresses the importance of portraying both Palestinians and Israelis with humanity, and the importance of bilateral talks which will lead to an agreement, something I totally agree with. Nowhere in what you posted does it say anything about how the PA are supposed to use non-violent resistance effectively against Hamas...

btw, you forgot the link...

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12. Contrary to your opinion, the article is loaded with thoughts

about a different mindset, one other than violence. Maybe the Palestinian people who want peace and an end to the violence have to start confronting the militants and making their opinions known. Maybe the ones who want peace should start demonstrating for peace against Hamas and the other militant groups. BTW, you are incorrect that I forgot the link. I chose not to include it since it's a few days old and unless people are registered, the link (the article clearly is from the NY Times)probably won't work. In any case, it's easily searchable on the NYT web site.

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15. The article had zero to do with non-violent resistance against Hamas...

That's not opinion - it's obvious on reading what you posted. What you posted spoke of a need for viewing both Israelis and Palestinians with humanity, and a need for bilateral talks - things I will repeat again that I totally support. But neither of those things are Gandhi-style non-violent resistance...

Let's use the West Bank as an example for yr Gandhi-style non-resistance plan. Israel is expanding settlement blocs, still destroying Palestinian homes - nothing has changed there. Yet you seem to expect that the Palestinian people should ignore that and be somehow motivated to only pay attention to groups like Hamas. Okay, let's move into fantasy land and pretend that happens. The next problem is how any non-violent resistance could be effective. I mentioned in an earlier post that the reason it was effective in India was that it was aimed at the occupying power who relied heavily on the Indian economy. So, how does Hamas rely on the Palestinian economy? It relies on it no more than Israel does, which is why the Indian model of non-violent resistance isn't applicable to the I/P conflict. It's all fine to demand it happens, but when the reality shows that it'd be suicidal to do so, then it seems as silly a demand as demanding that Israel respond to attacks on its civilians using non-violent resistance...

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8. I had never read MLK's letter from the B. J. It is a knockout

"My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent-resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half-truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, we must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. "

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10. Abbas can start by not saying Hamas...

is a legitimate party.

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11. And how exactly would this bring the militants under control?

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14. Give them a little bit less power.

It wouldn't the solve the problem and take away all their power, but it would take away a little. But the real ultimate solution is for the regular Palestinians to stand up to the these militants who only want war. Same thing also applies to the Israelis too. Even if all military action by Israel stopped there will be whack job jews that will be blowing people up(on both sides). Ehnn, such a mess.

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16. It could work the other way too...

Involving Hamas in the political sphere could give it reason to want to participate, and hopefully disarm itself. Currently they're not involved politically, so refusing to recognise them as a party wouldn't take away any of their power. I think it's a damned-if-he-does-and-damned-if-he-doesn't scenario for Abbas in that regard. And as with the extremists in Israel who have a political voice in the Knesset, more than likely Hamas would remove itself from the political process the minute moderate voices gained power, and in removing itself would then have a field day exerting its power by carrying out more attacks...

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