Can someone refresh my memory? Who ran WTC security on 9/11?

[BelgianMadCow]

Q from a family member who has been subjected to a rant about 9/11 AND IT WASN'T MINE.

Woot!

Thanks in advance
bmc

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. Stratasec?

Marvin Bush.

[BelgianMadCow]

10. Ummm could very well be it -

family member was told it was a Bush brother and the contract was planned to end on 9/11...

I said to him that I didn't know, but that to me, all that remain is unanswered questions regarding that day.

[JackRiddler]

53. Not "in charge" but...

Here is a great article I found from 1997 - !!! - describing the implementation of the new security systems at WTC following the 1993 attacks.

The main plan seems to have been drawn up by KROLL ASSOCIATES - very high on the spook totem poll, these are the guys whom the Secret Service contracts to do presidential security and what not. (Also, they employed Jerome Hauer!)

http://securitysolutions.com/mag/security_world_trade_center/

EXCERPTS:

Today, before anyone can gain access to the World Trade Center's sub-grade parking garages, they must meet a host of security requirements and pass through a system of access control devices that makes extremely unlikely the recurrence of a blast such as the one that rocked the complex, killing six people and injuring 1,000. ... Would-be terrorists will find it no easier to gain access by foot. Tenants and employees have to put their photo ID/proximity cards on turnstiles to gain entrance to the four buildings in the complex - the Twin Towers and Buildings 4 and 5 - managed by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. All visitors must wait to be issued time- and date-sensitive visitor badges with magnetic stripes that indicate clearly which floors or buildings they are authorized to enter. (...)

Despite its size, strength and sophistication, the World Trade Center did not have an automated access control system before the blast. Most public office buildings in America do not. But that trend is likely to change, now that the "It can't happen here" mindset has been replaced with the determination that "It won't happen here again" - at least not at the World Trade Center. (...)

"After the bombing, we had the top security consultants in the nation, Kroll Associates, do a complete security analysis for us, and we followed their recommendations," says Douglas G. Karpiloff, program manager, security systems for the WTC. A 26-year veteran of the Port Authority, Karpiloff, a Certified Protection Professional, was general manager of tenant services after the bomb went off. He is responsible for the overall facility management of the $50 million security improvement program: $15 million in completed interim improvements and $35 million for permanent improvements, from the 250 multi-ton perimeter planters that prevent vehicles from crashing into the buildings, to the network of fiber optics and copper that will connect the redundant PCs and their multi-task, multi-user operating system to the lobby, parking and perimeter access control systems, alarms, intercom and CCTV systems. (...)

According to Hurley, the Port Authority and WTC are unique because they have their own police force and emergency response personnel, who serve as an in-house fire brigade. The fire brigade has pre-positioned crash carts with Scott air packs and fire fighting equipment so they can begin fire suppression activities even before the fire department arrives. (...)

The parking access control system at the WTC was manufactured and installed by Ensec Inc., Boca Raton, Fla. The Enworks EN2000 system has a redundant host configuration and supports full function work stations. It is designed to integrate vehicle and driver access control, alarm monitoring and the parking security intercom. (...)

The lobby access control system will include Perey turnstiles. New, Motorola Indala proximity cards will be issued, which will be read by Motorola Indala readers when the holder places them just above the turnstiles. Visitors will be issued plastic photo ID cards with magnetic stripes that they will swipe through readers. The contractors for the permanent security system are E.J. Electric and Electronic Systems Associates, both of New York. Securacom, Woodcliff Lakes, N.J., is responsible for system integration. Also, ASSA of Brooklyn, N.Y., is installing a new key system. The UL437-approved, high-security cylinders and keys contain a proprietary keyway. Each cylinder and key has a bar code imbedded in it. A Qualisoft software control system for issuance of the keys includes remote, hand-held and fixed-location scanners that scan employee ID cards and then scan the key to make sure the key and the person match. All key rings are also weighed before daily distribution to make sure they have not been tampered with.

(MANY MORE DETAILS - a definite must-read for all those who are interested in this subject)

http://securitysolutions.com/mag/security_world_trade_center/

---

So, Securacom clearly has an important role - system integration for the systems authorizing individual access to the buildings. It's a far cry from them "being in control of security," as the simplification goes, but it's very easy to imagine that they would be aware of ways of circumventing the system, creating false authorizations, etc. - This would presumably be true of several other contractors, and of course the Port Authority itself. After July 1, it would also be true of Silverstein. And it would no doubt be true generally of the federal law enforcement tenants of any of the buildings (i.e., FBI, Treasury, etc.) All these would be good places for a "nest of evildoers" to develop.

[BelgianMadCow]

15. American reporter link, Stratasec -> Marvin Bush

http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/hj05.html

Vol. 9, No. 2021 - The American Reporter - January 20, 2003
SECRECY SURROUNDS A BUSH BROTHER'S ROLE IN 9/11 SECURITY

by Margie Burns

Washington, D.C. WASHINGTON, Jan 19, 2003 -- A company that provided security at New York City's World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport in Washington, D.C., and to United Airlines between 1995 and 2001, was backed by a private Kuwaiti-American investment firm with ties to a brother of President Bush and the Bush family, according to records obtained by the American Reporter.

Two planes hijacked on Sept. 11, 2001 were United Airlines planes, and another took off from Dulles International Airport; two, of course, slammed into the World Trade Center. But the Bush Administration has never disclosed the ties of a presidential brother and the Bush family with the firm that intersected the weapons and targets on a day of national tragedy.

Marvin P. Bush, a younger brother of George W. Bush, was a principal in the company from 1993 to 2000, when most of the work on the big projects was done. But White House responses to 9/11 have not publicly disclosed the company's part in providing security to any of the named facilities, and many of the public records revealing the relationships are not public.

Nonetheless, public records reveal that the firm, formerly named Securacom, listed Bush on its board of directors and as a significant shareholder. The firm, now named Stratesec, Inc., is located in Sterling, Va., a suburb of Washington, D.C., and emphasizes federal clients. Bush is no longer on the board.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. Securacom=Stratasec=Marvin Bush

:woohoo:

[JackRiddler]

39. Please see here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x113081

[robinlynne]

2. I remember from a film that a Bush brother owned the security company,

but not sure which brother, or exactly where to find the info. sorry.

[helderheid]

4. Marvin

[Horse with no Name]

7. But didn't his contract end on September 10?

I believe I read that somewhere.

[Horse with no Name]

11. Here is a link to a story

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down." Yet instead of being investigated, the company and companies involved with it have benefited from legislation pushed by the Bush White House and rubber-stamped by Congressional Republicans. Stratesec, its backer KuwAm, and their corporate officers stand to benefit from limitations on liability and national-security protections from investigation provided in bills since 9/11.
>>>>snip
According to SEC filings, Securacom/Stratesec acquired the $8.3 million World Trade Center contract in October 1996. The project generated 28% of over-all revenues for the company in 1996, part of increased over-all revenues. SEC filings indicate that revenues from the World Trade Center project commenced in 1996 at $1.6 million, peaked in 1997 at $6.6 million ($4.1 million in the first half), and diminished in 1998 to less than $1 million.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/2530

[G Hawes]

31. No, Marvin was never in charge of security at the WTC

That's just one of the thousands of lies found on conspiracy websites.

[LynneSin]

3. Clinton's penis

That's why they attacked

You can blame Clenis for just about everything - of course that is if you think like a freeper

[helderheid]

6. BWAH!

[Swamp Rat]

13. LOL!

:D

[SpiralHawk]

18. Marvin Bush was in charge of security for Clinton's penis?

Now I am shocked.

Bad enough that he and Neil "Silverado" Bush are into underage prostitutes in Thailand, as has been factually documented -- not that it is surprising that republicons are into perverted sex with children.

I did know that Marvin "Fast Buck with the Godless Red Commie Chinese" was involved with the failed security for the World Trade Centers on 9/11. But the Clenis angle adds a whole new level of depravity...

I guess that's what happens when your grandpoppy (Prescott Bush) served as special banker to Hitler and Nazi Germany.

That sort of lineage could twist anyone's soul.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

29. *snort!* n/t

[Syrinx]

5. it was John O'Neill's first day on the job n/t

[Bucky]

14. Was John O'Neill the agent who quit b/c not enough was done to get OBL?

That would be a sad, sad irony.

[seabeyond]

17. he was quit..... because of the cole and some other stuff

he was investigating the cole and they put a stop to the investigation. then some iffy things happened that looked like could be contrived to get him out of the fbi. this was after bush took over.

[BelgianMadCow]

20. I'm getting a lil confused here. Why private company first, FBI later

as the ones responsible for security? That doesn't make sense (not directed at your post of course).

[seabeyond]

24. he was fbi for a lot of year. tenet, clarke and oneil worked

with clinton on obl. the cole happened. oneil was investigating the cole. he was doing well on investigation but freeh of the fbi didnt like oneil for different reasons. bush got in. the cole investigation shut down. oneil out of fbi. got a job at towers security and first day sept 11, 2001.

i dont see why the fbi would be responsible for a privately owned building to have security?

[BelgianMadCow]

25. Thanks a LOT for that. I was missing major parts of your outline

And I couldn't follow the FBI running security at all. :-) Thanks for clearing that up.

The firm he got that job with was still the one with the old Bush link then.

[seabeyond]

26. the firm he got the job with bush brother is on the board along with

dulles airline....

too many connections.

there is a lot inthe oneil to do. let me see if i can find a very interesting link on the man. he is a piece of the puzazle not many know about but is important

[TheWraith]

41. No.

The Bush brother, Marvin, hasn't been on the board of that company since 2000.

That company hasn't consulted on WTC security since 2000.

And O'Neill didn't get a job with that company. He did get a job running WTC security.

[seabeyond]

27. here is a good link to oneil

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

[BelgianMadCow]

28. Amazing coincidence all in all.

Gonna plow through that - but don't see where there are dots left to connect right now.

[TheWraith]

22. That would be him, yes.

The guy who was told by the Bush administration earlier in 2001 that they didn't want to hear any more about his Bin Laden obsession.

Somehow, I envision him watching the plane in the last few seconds before impact, as the thought passed through his mind: I hate being right.

[tjwash]

33. Oneill

[Synnical]

8. Head of security was John O'Neil n/t

[DrDebug]

9. Kroll (=CIA of Wall Street) n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Marvin Bush was on their Board of Directors

until sometime around 2000. However, another Bush family member, I believe an Uncle was still at the company on 9-11.

Either way BushCo had an inside track to the company that was responsible for security at the WTC and plenty of time to put their own people in key positions.

[saracat]

16. John O'Neill, who was certainly no fan of Bush!

It has always been ironic that one of the only people to publicly state concerns about Bin Laden(O'Neill) was head of security of the WTC and this was his first day on the job.

[TheWraith]

19. Not Marvin Bush.

I'll just say this once to counter all the incorrect information in this thread: Security at the WTC was not run by Marvin Bush, and it was not run by a company associated with Marvin Bush. The real story: A company which included Marvin Bush on its board of directors (which is usually a fairly uninvolved position) formerly had some consulting contracts with the Port Authority, including the WTC, but those contracts ended in 2000. Marvin Bush also left the board of said company in 2000. So to summarize, Marvin Bush had nothing to do with WTC security on 9/11, and he certainly didn't run it.

[BelgianMadCow]

21. Thank you, but who ran it before and on 9/11 then?

your response is just why I advised caution to my family member, and to just catch up on the questions to ask by looking at An American Requiem by Symbolman.

ON 9/11 John O'Neill, and before?

[TheWraith]

23. Well, the buck always stopped with the Port Authority.

They were the ones who were actually in charge of insuring security for the WTC. What I can't tell you is how many companies they may have contracted with, or what the individual roles of each company were. The Port Authority does have their own police, which took a large roll in the security--I vaguely recall that thirty-seven PA police officers died when the towers came down. Again, I don't know if they supplement their police force with any private security agents.

[razors edge]

30. in charge of insuring security

and providing are two different things,

Marvin Bush joined Securacom when it was capitalized by the Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm in D.C. that was the security company's major investor, sometimes holding a controlling interest. Marvin Bush has not responded to telephone calls and e-mails for comment.

KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

The managing director at KuwAm, Wirt D. Walker III, was also a principal at Stratesec, and Walker, Marvin Bush and al Sabah are listed in SEC filings as significant shareholders in both companies during that period.

Marvin Bush's last year on the board at Stratesec coincided with his first year on the board of HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

from reports I have read about powerdowns and work being done in the building just prior, most of the unusal activties took place at night. I would not expect to see uniformed or port authority gaurds in construction areas at night, more a subcontractor, low importance job to watch over electricians and such.

[AntiFascist]

34. Interesting, I didn't know about these investors...

I have seen documentary interviews of WTC occupants discussing the unusual powerdowns and work being done prior to 9/11. There has been some speculation about the possibility of explosives being installed at these times.

[razors edge]

35. Jet fuel don't melt steel like this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvk&search=thermite

[AntiFascist]

37. This is a great video also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0VpgWEl90&mode=related&search=

On edit: Here's a video describing the powerdowns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmcvTzYfo&mode=related&search=

Includes interview of Scott Forbes describing the powerdowns. Wirt D. Walker III, cousin of the Bush brothers, was CEO of Securacom?

[razors edge]

38. Good compilation

of many videos, If I am :tinfoilhat:

Then the official folks are

[johnnie]

48. Damn pesky eyewitnesses

x(

[AntiFascist]

51. One of the eyewitnesses reported...

that ethernet cabling was being replaced during the shutdowns. This would provide access to concealed areas, I presume, and explosives could conceivably be hidden in networking hardware boxes. It could also explain how the precise timing and triggering required for demolition purposes was achieved: via the network. Installing these at the last minute and removing bomb-sniffing dogs would prevent any discovery. If this is true, then I wouldn't doubt that anyone holding specific evidence is being hunted down and offered huge amounts of hush money, or worse.

[Nozebro]

52. Excellent thinking and reasoning. Thanks for posting. EOM

nt

[TheWraith]

42. Ever hear of critical temperature?

It's the temperature, around 560 degrees fahrenheit, that structural steel is no longer capable of loadbearing. It doesn't have to melt in order to collapse, a fact which is continually lost on the tinfoil brigade.

And in any event, jet fuel can melt steel. As with anything else, it depends on conditions.

[AntiFascist]

43. What about the crystallization of concrete?

In one of the videos I discovered in a post above it mentioned that much of the pulverized concrete was crystallized, which is not possible under the explosive pressures created by jet fuel, only under conditions where high-tech explosives are used.

Also I recall seeing a convincing video animation which showed how the structure could pancake when the strucural steel lost its integrity. This explanation seemed convincing until it was pointed out that the building fell at nearly freefall speed without meeting any resistance, and there was also video testimony from various firefighters who described explosive popping as each floor was pancaked in demolition fashion.

(I hope this thread doesn't get moved you know where :hide:)

[TheWraith]

49. All concrete is crystalized, by definition.

That's how it turns from a powder into a solid substance when mixed with water: the grains dissolve and form calcium hydrates, which as they become more numerous, gradually crystalize, forming a solid object.

As for claims about the concrete dust having had some special property only obtainable by way of explosives, that's just one more of the rather dubious pseudo-science claims put forth by the hard-core conspiracy people. Not unlike the "free fall" claim. If you actually measure the fall of the towers, you'll find that they're not moving at true freefall speeds. As for the apparent lack of resistence, once the structual steel was compromised, the entire upper section would collapse onto the lower sections, which weren't designed to handle an impact like that. The mass moved downward, smashing through each floor in turn, until it reached the ground. The lower floors did slow the collapsing mass, but they could never have stopped it, simply because of inertia and build tolerances.

As for the "popping"... It's possible that some people were hearing the steel supports on each successive floor snapping off. Alternatively, there are many possibly sources for secondary explosions such as chemical stores, electrical transformers, and what have you in any modern office building.

[hpot]

50. Bone Fragments Found on the Roof

There are also reports of small bone fragments found on the roof of another building across the street.

[TheWraith]

40. And all of that is relevant how?

For one thing, the bottom line is that the Port Authority police provided security. I don't know if they hired help, or how many consultants they had, but they had their own police force. And that's not a job that they walk away from at 5 PM.

Second, how is any of the information about these obscure business relationships relevant, when it's been established that the company in question had no connection to WTC security after 2000?

And last, the "powerdowns" and stories of work being done shortly before 9/11 are pretty much either made from whole cloth, or grossly exaggerated. The stories about major power downs have been debunked, and if there was work being done, there's no indication that it was anything more than ordinary maintainence. This is one of those things that the tinfoilers tend to push as "fact" without substance behind it.

[rman]

46. It is a rather special kind of "consulting":

"Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company defines itself as a "single-source" provider of "end-to-end" security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards."


So Marvin Bush - and Bush cousin Wirt D Walker III - were in fact involved with WTC security, even though Marvin was not head of the company. The same company was (directly or indirectly) involved with 3 of the four airplanes of 9/11. The company did install a new $8.3 million security system at the WTC between 1996 and 2000.


source:
http://www.populist.com/03.02.burns.html
also see the docu "9/11 Mysteries"

What's your source?

[Rhiannon12866]

32. John O'Neill, and he was killed in the attack.

He worked with Richard Clarke, in the White House, before this. He was the FBI's anti-terrorism guy. :-(

[rman]

44. Securacom/Stratesec - Bush cousin Wirt D Walker III was CEO untill 2002

Marvin Bush revisited (WTC security, Silverstein)


Securacom/Stratesec, the Bush family, and the airplanes

The security company Securacom/Stratesec did handle security at the WTC, and still handles security at Dulles Airports and United Airlines.

Marvin Bush was never head of Securacom/Stratesec, but he was a principal at the company until 2000. Bush cousin Wirt D Walker III was CEO there from 1999 to 2002, and the company did install a new $8.3 million security system at the WTC between 1996 and 2000.

Even though Securacom/Stratesec is a security consultant company, it does identify itself as a special kind of consultant: it is a "single-source provider of end-to-end security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards."

Flight 77 (Pentagon) took of from Dulles airport, Flight 93 (Shanksville) and Flight 175 (WTC south tower) were United Airlines planes.

Before and during 9/11 Securacom/Stratesec was (indirectly) involved with three of the four planes, and one of the two targets of 9/11. The Bush family was involved with Securacom/Stratesec before and during 9/11.


The WTC and Silverstein

The NY Port Authority, long-time owner of the WTC complex, was losing money on the towers. The rent was so high that tenants were leaving, there were a lot of vacancies, while operation and maintenance of the towers was very expensive. The fire-proofing foam that covered the steel contained asbestos. It had te be replaced which would cost about a billion dollars.

Silverstein became leaser of the WTC complex 6 weeks before september 11 2001. From then on heavy construction work took place in the towers, for which some tenants were moved. During the weeks before 9/11 there were power-downs of sections of the towers. On the days before 9/11 several tenants noticed large quantities of white dust in their offices. On the last few days before 9/11, explosives-sniffing dogs were ordered off the premises.


sources:

Security, Secrecy and a Bush Brother
By Margie Burns
http://www.populist.com/03.02.burns.html

9/11 Mysteries
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=9%2F11+mysteries

[SidDithers]

45. Read JackRiddler's excellent post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x113081

Sid

[rman]

47. That post corrects some misconceptions, introduces new ones

see
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=122431&mesg_id=122475