The USS Cole bombing was a joint operation

[leftofthedial]

of the bush cabal and their Middle Eastern allies. It was their 2000 October surprise.

Like 9-11 and the anthrax terror attacks, that's why they never investigated or retaliated.

What's in store during the next couple of weeks?

[Xenotime]

1. More attacks and stolen elections

[leftofthedial]

2. well, in a month's time king george has

gutted posse comitatus

AND killed habeas corpus


hmmmmm.....

[olaus]

3. Are

you being serious?

[seemslikeadream]

7. Yes I believe so

and I'm being very serious also

[leftofthedial]

10. yes.

since Jimmy Carter was President, the neocons have committed treason nearly every October in order to sway elections.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

51. Sure he is! All the Cole terrorists were STONED!

[olaus]

4. Are

you being serious? Sorry do not know why it posted twice.

[formercia]

5. They have a history of playing games in Yemen

in cahoots with Bandar Bush, OBL who is from Yemen. Oh yes, I almost forgot the Brits. When I was there in '67, they were about to get their asses handed to them. The tank farm along side the harbor in Aden had big BP logos.

[leftofthedial]

14. nothing that happens is as it seems anymore.

[guruoo]

6. You really believe another attack would save BushCo?

I'm not so sure.

[leftofthedial]

11. I'm not saying the surprise will be another attack

I'm not saying it would work.

I'm just saying when the going gets tough, the neocons commit treason in October of election years.


Or maybe the gutting of posse comitatus and the public torture and execution of habeas corpus is enough and they no longer need surprises.

[Sammy Pepys]

8. I think this theory is highly dubious

Bush wasn't even President.

[leftofthedial]

13. a bush wasn't president when they made a secret deal with the Iranians

to hold the hostages until after the 1980 election either.

king george not yet being the officially installed hood ornament on the neocon Hummer doesn't mean it was mothballed in the garage until January 2001.

[Sammy Pepys]

16. Well, I appreciate that...

...but I think meanderings like this do more harm than good in the long run, unless you have some concrete evidence to back up the assertion. Otherwise, people will see no reason to take you seriously on issues like this in the future. If the Dems ran with theories like that, they'd all be laughed right out of office.

[leftofthedial]

27. If the Dems ran with opposition to the Iraq War

they'd all have been laughed right out of office

until the polls showed it was safe.

Why would the Dems run with a "theory" like this anyway? What does Dems running have to do with anything?

[Sammy Pepys]

46. Coherent, cogent arguments against the Iraq War..

..are plentiful and easy to come by.

This theory displays neither of those qualities.

[formercia]

18. Poppy and Bill Casey were supposedly in on the fix

Casy wasn't yet DCI either.

[FogerRox]

56. Gary Sic of the NYT wrote a great piece in the 1980 surprise

After the fall of the USSR Russia has confirmed that GHWB was indeed meeting with the Iranians. In fact the body of work started by Gary Sic, has been built upon by the French & Russians.

[blm]

22. Except the REFUELING of the Cole was a HALLIBURTON/KBR operation

Refueling was another logistic PRIVATIZED by Sec of Defense Dick Cheney in 1991.

[leftofthedial]

28. and that's not the only suspicious bush cabal link

[blm]

30. I always believed Cole a set-up, because I knew refueling was privatized

and awarded to Cheney's company.

I stand with you on this - too much "coincidence" to be believed it just happened.

[slackmaster]

9. This thread is in the wrong forum

:tinfoilhat:

[leftofthedial]

12. so you don't believe in October Suprises?

There is none so blind . . .

[slackmaster]

29. Of course I "believe in" October surprises

I do not believe in wacky, ridiculous, unfounded conspiracy theories.

[leftofthedial]

33. I don't believe in wacky, ridiculous, unfounded coincidence

but, but, but . . .

October Surprises ARE conspiracy theories. I don't think you know what you believe.

[slackmaster]

36. OK, let me spell it out for you

The idea that the Bush family, or cabal, or whatever you want to call it, had ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the USS Cole incident, is balderdash, bilgewater, bullshit.

Your stupid post belongs in the September 11 Dungeon, not GD.

:nuke:

[leftofthedial]

38. that clears it all up.

thank you.

[seemslikeadream]

17. and.............

the release of the hostages was?





oh yes that's right, just a coincidence

[cobalt1999]

15. Oh god, another conspiracy theory.

Seriously, can you think of one major event in over the last century that doesn't have some conspriacy theory attached to it? From the sinking of the Maine to 9/11. Same bullshit over and over.

[leftofthedial]

20. and we all know there are no conspiracies

and no October Surprises

there are no evil people who covet power and try to cover their tracks when they commit crimes. we all know this.

everything that happens happens *exactly* the way the government tells us it does. end of story.

and if the same small group of people continue to benefit from cooincidentally timed events, well that's just--coincidence.

[cobalt1999]

23. so that's it?

That's your proof?

I tell you what. Apply that same line of thought to the Aliens in Area 51 conspiracy.

Must be true because "everything that happens exactly the way the government tell us it does. End of story".

You're "logic" has a lot be desired.

[leftofthedial]

32. "proof"?

There is no proof here

There is a question. What will the bush cabal do prior to the election?

You're the one claiming there is no "proof" that it didn't happen exactly like the government told us it did. Do you mean that unless I can prove to you that the neocons played no role in the Cole bombing had there will be no October Surprise this year?

And BTW -- You're spelling has a lot be desired.

[cobalt1999]

35. There is no proof here.

You need to think on that sentence a little. In the absence of proof, you are in the land of faith. I agree with the poster who said this is just like the Rapture. No logical difference.

BTW, my spelling is fairly good, my typing not so.

[leftofthedial]

40. The point of the thread is not to debate the Cole bombing,

it is to point out that (some believe) the neocons go to EXTREME lengths to influence US elections.

Many at DU seem to be waiting for the other shoe to fall vis a vis an possible October Surprise this year. I was curious as to what it is that some people believe might happen.

Personally, I think now that they've done away with posse comitatus and habeas corpus and they have Diebold's installed base above 50%, they no longer need October Surprises.

[geek tragedy]

19. Faith-based theory.

No evidence, just a 'feeling' that Bush was involved.

Might as well have said that it was part of the Rapture.

[leftofthedial]

24. there is no evidence of anything

you see, that's part of their diabolical plan . . .

--cue spooky music--

:tinfoilhat:


It is NOTHING like the Rapture. This idea doesn't require an invisible supernatural all-powerful being. This idea doesn't require a theory about how all of creation works (absent any evidence). About the only similarity is that both involve huge tax-exempt criminal enterprises.

The bush cabal and the Saudis are partners. That is fact. The Saudis, in partnership with the bush-cabal faction of the CIA, created and are major funders of "al Qaeda." That is fact. The bush cabal has been involved in Middle Eastern terrorist events that benefit them politically (from the Iran hostage crisis to Iran Contra to 9-11). Many of these and other suspicious events take place in October.

The bush cabal has done NOTHING to investigate the Cole bombing--the major terrorist event of the 1990's--that took place less than a month before wannabe king george stole the 2000 election.

Sometimes, when something smells like dogshit, it IS dogshit, even if it's only a "theory."

[slackmaster]

31. NO, NOT THAT SONG!

Feeeeeeeelings...

[Jacobin]

21. This is true because we all know that muslims love the U.S.

and would never ever try to do anything to attack any of our targets, especially a military target. Especially Syrians. They are our biggest supporters.

Muslims appreciate the way we support Israel in its beneficent treatment of Palestinians, and they appreciate us keeping the House of Saud in power.

(do I really need the fucking sarcasm thingy?)

[leftofthedial]

34. not for the sarcasm you intended

but you might need it for the deeper-level sarcasm you actually delivered

I mean we all know that muslims hate us for our freedoms, right?

[CJCRANE]

47. The House of Saud are muslims

and they benefitted from 9/11, the same as Bushco.

[leftofthedial]

53. the House of Saud did not benefit from 9-11 same as Bushco

they benefitted only to the extent that Bushco has used 9-11 to seize and consolidate ever more power and have used that power to serve the interests of the House of Saud.

they benefitted from the withdrawal of American troops from Saudi Arabia

they benefitted from the invasion of Iraq and the overthrow of Saddam (although that benefit will be short-lived and will eventually be part of their downfall)


but sinced Bushco appears to be a subsidiary of the House of Saud, I'll grant your point.

[BenDavid]

25. If I recall, the Captain of

the USS Cole was told not to take on fuel there because of the heightened level of terrorists activity, but if he did then take all necessary security.....Well, let me just ask a question? How in the hell can two men in one boat pulling another smaller boat ever gotten that close to a U.S. Naval vessel unless there was not enough men on security watch?

[leftofthedial]

37. same question about hijacked airplanes

in airspace defended by the most expensive defense systems ever created.

[Marie26]

26. And.. hide thread. nt

[Zavulon]

39. My mother warned me about threads like this.

Sorry, but I side with slackmaster on this one. This is the sort of thread that Freepers pray for.

[leftofthedial]

42. sometimes they pray so they have someplace to post while trolling DU

I especially love the old "we can't say that because the Freepers this or the Freepers that"

[Zavulon]

44. You can say whatever you want,

but even a fair number of Democrats think you're out of your mind.

Not surprising that after posting an unsubstantiated crackpot theory, you call me a troll for suggesting that you're making us look silly.

[leftofthedial]

45. let me be clear. you are not a troll and I wasn't calling you one

crackpot? silly? unsubstantiated? I did not intend this thread as a debate on the merits of the assertion that the bush cabal was involved in the Cole bombing. Frankly: a) I don't really care all that much; and b) DU is not a place to debate history, especially recent history, when the facts don't mesh with the official story. But . . .

What, if anything, do you think the neocons have EVER done that differs from the conventional corporate media/government explanation?

Anything? Or is the official explanation always good enough for you?

And to the question in the OP . . . what, if anything, do you think the repukes will do between now and the election to influence the outcome?

[Zavulon]

48. There's a lot I believe the Repugs capable of,

but punching holes into our own Navy vessels and killing some of our sailors? Sorry, I'm not ready to buy that. There are more than enough reasons to hold Bush in contempt without unsubstantiated charges like this. As for October surprises, I can see the release of dirt on a Dem, I can see an arrest of a "terrorist" playing the role, I can even see a staged nuke disarming, but I'm just not ready to buy anything like our people attacking our ships. Further, if you're right that Bush was capable of it and behind it, why stop there?

However, if you think my refusal to accept your theory means that the official explanation is always good enough for me, then I may as well jump on board.

Okay, I buy it now. Also, I believe that the Bush cabal damaged the Hubble telescope to keep the Ruler of Bethos unable to monitor us from afar, I'm certain that Bush killed JFK (actually pulled the trigger, mind you) and that he was the real force behind the demise of the Corvair.

Sorry for doubting you.

[leftofthedial]

52. I don't stop there.

There is no need for you to get absurd and insulting. (Unless you are out of rational arguments, of course.)

This cabal have killed 3000 American soldiers and maimed another 30,000 or so just to serve their personal ideology (the generous reason) or Halliburton's profits (the practical reason). Why would you dismiss out of hand the possiblity that they would have had a role in killing 17 to help them take control of the most powerful nation in earth history?

I just wonder where your threshold for "silly" is. Why and when do you (apparently) sometimes believe that the official explanation is not good enough? Why is that not silly and this is?

[seatnineb]

57. leftofthedial...check this out.

DU poster KFJ(Kevin Fenton) wrote this a couple of months back..........

If we believe what Fenton posted.....which essentially re-inforces the official story...in a subtle kind of way......it would seem that AlQuida were dissapointed that the U.S did not retaliate for the attack on the U.S.S Cole!!!!!!!

By the way, there was another story about an NSA intercept of a call from Yemen before 9/11. A well-known former NY Times national security reporter, speaking about the weekend of 4th July 2001, said, “But I did manage to have a conversation with a source that weekend. The person told me that there was some concern about an intercept that had been picked up. The incident that had gotten everyone's attention was a conversation between two members of Al Qaida. And they had been talking to one another, supposedly expressing disappointment that the United States had not chosen to retaliate more seriously against what had happened to the Cole. And one Al Qaida operative was overheard saying to the other, 'Don't worry; we're planning something so big now that the U.S. will have to respond." One of the callers was in Yemen, I wonder where the other one was...

By the way, this story also made the front page of www.dailykos.com today, although in slightly different form (obviously). Here's the permalink:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/5/18/182654/491

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x90314

[Bryan Sacks]

59. Zavulon, keep this thread around for the day.....

you realize that it is the Republicans who make Democrats look bad, not we conspiracy weirdos. Give credit where it's due.

The Democrats are a failed party, one I prefer to the Republican party but failed nonetheless. Your embarrassment means nothing like what you think it means. Freepers will hate you whatever you do. Gaining their respect is impossible (this doesn't mean they should be treated disrespectfully, though).

I suppose what I dont understand above all about liberal democrats is their utter confidence in the "sorry, I don't buy that" dismissal. With all respect, why on earth would you think that's an intelligent response? What do you know about "substantiation" of military events? You know what you're told, unless you look elsewhere. Censorship is legal when it comes to military affairs, you know that, don't you?

Leftofthedial might be entirely wrong about the USS Cole, but your dismissal is based on nothing but your own confidence in your judgment.

[ProfessorGAC]

41. I Follow Your Reasoning. I Don't Agree With Your Conclusions

These people simply aren't responsible for everything bad that has ever happened. It's not logical, and it grants them too much credit. Some of what has happened, from which they've benefited is just dumb luck on their part.

That's not devious. That's just accidental timing.

The Professor

[leftofthedial]

43. I don't claim they are responsible for everything bad that happens

but this bad thing?

I'd bet my house on it.

Besides, we all know that Bill Clinton is responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened. ;-)

[ProfessorGAC]

50. I Was Being Hyperbolic

I was actually referring to those things listed in your OP. I know i'm probably in the minority in this regard, but i think we give the Bush Mob too much credit. I don't think there is a whole lot of method to their madness. Just madness and blind luck.

It's an entire gang that spent all their time making connections, that eventually pulled together to leverage all those connections until they became "THE CONNECTION". The things that kept them from being run out of Washington DC 20 years ago, or 2 years ago, were just coincidences that they neither planned nor controlled.

The last thing i will accept is that we have to fear their cleverness. I think we have to fear their ambition and stupidity, but not their "smarts".

Now, it is a fact that Clinton is responsible for everything bad. :evilgrin: But, the benefit the Bush Mob received was luck.
The Professor

[CJCRANE]

54. But their connections

are to people like the bin Ladens, Saudi Royals, the UAE Emirs, funding Mujahideen through the ISI etc.

Don't you think it's strange that the countries implicated in 9/11 are all Bushco allies and that they chose to attack Iraq which had nothing to with 9/11?

IMO Bushco is much worse than we think they are - and they get away with so much because most people would not believe that they could be so corrupt (it's a function of the MSM that they can't convey complex issues to mass audience, hence the fascination with simple stories that involve a single individual - eg. Foley).

[rman]

58. You're saying the cooperation was accidental?

A result of "accidental timing"?

How can groups cooperate accidentally?

There's just to much coincidence, incompetence and luck involved in all the big bad things that happen in the world, for those to be plausible explanations.

[CJCRANE]

49. I'd tend to agree with you.

I'm working on a hunch but the evidence is probably out there, just like it is for 9/11.

[Left Coast Lynn]

55. Clinton was president when the Cole was bombed n/t

-

[leftofthedial]

60. and Carter was president when the raygun camp (through Poppy)

struck a deal to keep the hostages captive until after the election

it is irrelevant who was president.