What about those 200 plus Israelis arrested and deported from the US since 9/11?

[nebula]

The ten million dollar question(s) for me is:

1) Why were all these Israeli nationals getting arrested and deported from the US since 9/11?? What did these Israelis, if anything, have to do with 9/11??

2) Many of these Israelis were supposedly found to have ties to Israeli intelligence.

3) What is the connection of these arrests to 9/11 (there is obviously some kind of connection. it cant be coincidence that they all occurred within months after 9/11)??

4) Gee, wouldn't it be great if Israel could somehow get the US to invade their #1 enemies for them (Iran, Iraq, Syria)??

[savemefromdumbya]

1. there has been talk about this

[LARED]

2. Just out of curiosity do you have a link to this information? (n/t)

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3. Deleted message

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[Taxloss]

18. I think the deleted message clearly indicates

that the source is some sort of ultra-right hate site. Par for the course for the 9/11 forum.

[eyl]

4. In order

1) because after 9/11, the INS started cracking down (those deported Israelis were there illegally*)

2) If you're talking about the DEA agent's report, I read it, and frankly, it doesn't go anywhere near establishing links to Mossad** (for example, one of the "prime examples" in the report was a man who said he had demolition training - except, given what wassaid in the report, I'm almost certain I can name the unit where he got the training - and it has nothing to do with intelligence).

3) see #1

4) Gee, wouldn't it be great if they cut me a check for $1,000,000 while they're at it?:)

*A bit of clarification is in order. It's become a tradition in Israel to take a trip of a year or two abroad after completing military service. The most popular locations are SE asia (esp India) and South America, but a fair amount end up in the US. Many of them end up seek work for a short time, either to save up money for their return or to fund the next stage of their trip. However, they are working illegally, since they enter the US on a tourist visa.
**And that's just based on my personal knowledge, not on the FBI calling it claptrap.

[rinsd]

5. Any links or are you gonna stick with the not so subtle "the Jooos did it"

[seatnineb]

6. Judaism has what would be modern day Egyptian,Iraqi and Iranian roots.

I guess that does not go down to well in certain parts......that Judaism is in fact an Arabic religion.

[LARED]

7. Mind explaining that odd statement?

Judaism predates modern day Arabic religions. Two thousand year ago the Israelites were basically located in Judah, Israel, Syria, Edom, Moab, and Philistia. The Jewish faith started around 4000 years ago in largely what we describe as a polytheistic pagan worldview long before Islam. Why you think this may not go down well in certain parts requires an explanation.

[seatnineb]

8. Nice attempt to decieve......

When I said "Judaism is an Arabic religion" ......I was refering to the ethnicicity of the founding fathers of Judaism:

Abraham was from Babylon(modern day Iraq)

Moses was from Egypt(modern day Egypt)

Got a problem with that LARED?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

9. There was no heterogenous Arabic group at the time at which you describe

Mythologically Arabs trace their descent from Noah. Arabic language does share its roots to Aramaic and Hebrew however. Again though I also found your comments in your first post to be very cryptic. What doesn't go down well with whom?

[eyl]

11. That must be the first time

I've ever seen a recursive signature:applause:

[Anarcho-Socialist]

12. I'm glad you got a kick out of it

:hi:

[seatnineb]

13. Ummmm......That is why I said "modern day":

The ethinicity of the people of the middle east or the Arabian Peninsula was and still is to this day .....a mixture of Caucasian ,South Asian,Asian and North African.....which is quite a diverse group.........


The founder of Judaism ,Abraham set off from Babylon......that is modern day Iraq....The same Iraq which is characterised for linguistic and political reasons today as being "Arab".The same could be said of Egypt.The other point of origin for Judaism.

The people were always there.....what they are called may change.

And you know fuckin full well ....as does LARED..... that what does not go down well is the fact that Judaism at the time of it's inception...had it's origins amongst a people that would be classified today as "Arabs"......and who does that not go down well with......YOU!

[Anarcho-Socialist]

14. Wow. You have issues

Firstly modern boundaries today are superfluous when one is discussing the geographical and ethnic nature of 2000 BCE Middle East.

What became the Arab group and what became the Jewish group are the Semite ethnic and linguistic grouping which occupied parts of that area.

"And you know fuckin full well ....as does LARED..... that what does not go down well is the fact that Judaism at the time of it's inception...had it's origins amongst a people that would be classified today as "Arabs"......and who does that not go down well with......YOU!"

You need to settle your tone. Your original post was cryptic, and I'm not into the nod-wink business of knowing what you're supposed to mean. If you have a point to make please use concise language.

The notion of the Arabic people existing 4,000 years ago is anachronistic. It would be akin to referring to the ancient Gauls as the French. The cultural linguistic grouping of Arabs had not yet arisen so your point is meaningless. The modern day states you refer to are inceptions and innovations dating from the Early Modern age to the Twentieth Century.

Again, this 'not going down well with' business. If your point was accurate (which it is not) it would be of little consequence to me. I am a student of history and trained in historiography. I don't have an axe to grind on this subject, but you seem to have many issues that you need to address, and taking a cryptic confrontational dismissive tone will do little for discourse.

[seatnineb]

15. I also study History...so let's talk.

These days....we classify people living in the Arabian peninsula......as Arabs.

The Jewish founder ....Abraham .....set off from the city of Ur in Baylonia.
That is modern day Iraq.

Abraham is the son of Terah.
Terah is related to Shem.
Shem is one of the 3 sons of Noah.

As you rightly stated....Arabs also trace their origin to this same Noah.

Abraham crosses the river Euphrates.

The word "Ivrim" in the Bible(Hebrew in English)... means the people from the other side of the river.

BTW...the context of your comparison:

In the words of Anarcho-Christ:
"It would be akin to referring to the ancient Gauls as the French."

.........is flawed.

France is merely one region or state in Europe.
But the Gauls were European.....just like the French.

The term France.... derives partially from the Franks.

The Gauls were white caucasians who were overrun by Franks(who were Germanic).The Franks were also white caucasians.
Gauls and Franks were culturally different but ethnically the same.A case of one White European tribe smashing another.

And that my friend also applies to ancient Jews,Christians and Muslims.....people who were religously and culturally different....but ethnically and racially the same.....i.e ....people from the Arabian peninsula.....what we now classify as Arabs.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

16. Don't you accept the key point that

The Arabs as a cultural, linguistic group did not exist 4,000 years ago.

You're banging on about modern day Iraq, how is a present-day state relevant to 4,000 years ago? I disagree with you, I think my Gaul-French comparison to be on the mark on how anachronistic your position is. It is wrong to retroactively attribute modern day nationalities, ethnic and cultural groups to groups and regions 4,000 years ago.

For example, the English as an ethnic group did not exist 4,000 years ago, but that group had northern Indo-European ancestors. It would be anachronistic now to attribute the term "English" to that group as it would be incorrect to refer to the groups of ancient Mesopotamia (c. 2,000 BCE) and the Levant as "Arabic."

[seatnineb]

17. There is no such thing as an "English" Ethnic group!!!!!!!!!!

Are you saying there is an English race????!!!!!!

"English" is just a culture or a nationality.......not a race.

White caucasians are an ethnic group or race.
It was these white caucasians whose ancestors had indo and central asian roots.

And the people who comprised the middle east at the time of the inception of Judaism were a mixture of Caucasian(Persian),South Asian and North African races.
These days....they are called Arabs.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

19. The genetic markers of the Anglo-Saxons are different from

say the Celts, or the Vandals, and other western Indo-European groups. Yes I consider them an ethnic group. The Angles existed before the concept of England did, and contemporaneously a separate entity to the English dynastical state post-Athelstan the Great.

"And the people who comprised the middle east at the time of the inception of Judaism were a mixture of Caucasian(Persian),South Asian and North African races.
These days....they are called Arabs."

The people who predominantly inhabit those lands now are Arabs, but that term is anarchronistic for 4,000 years ago. You won't hear historians referring to Sumerians, ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Akkadians and proto-Semites as "Arabs" and for good reason too.

[seatnineb]

20. The Angles are not an ethnic group.

The genetic markers that you refer to accentuate the differences that exist amongst"white caucasians"!

But the Vikings,Goths,Juts,Normans and Angles and all the other elements that made up the constantly evolving culture and cultures of England (over the course of hundreds of years) at least up until a certain point in time... were all still white caucasians!......basically the same race...

So what is the big deal about Judaism having been concieved by individuals comprising of Caucasian,Asian and African races?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

21. they were culturally and linguistically distinct enough to comprise

an ethnic group of their own. Although I suspect you wish to argue this point as a means of saving pride.

"So what is the big deal about Judaism having been concieved by individuals comprising of Caucasian,Asian and African races?"

You know fine well that I don't disagree with that. I wasn't arguing against that, but your supplanting of Arabic culture and nationalities into 2,000 BCE Middle East.

[LARED]

23. Hummm???

And you know fuckin full well ....as does LARED..... that what does not go down well is the fact that Judaism at the time of it's inception...had it's origins amongst a people that would be classified today as "Arabs"......and who does that not go down well with......YOU!

I'm truly clueless as to why you think this would be an issue with me, but oddly the only group of people that seem to have a problem with the notion that the Israelites are part of the people that became known as Arabs, are some modern day Arabs. Why is there a significant minority of Arabs that seem to believe Jews are descended from pigs or monkeys? Seems rather ironic.

[eyl]

10. Comon ancestors rather than descent

It's my understanding that during the period in question, Babylon was inhabited by various groups (the Amorites and later the Kassites*, and others), while Egypt was mainly inhabited by Copts. Some of those groups would later be among those that created the Arabs.

What this has to do with Lared's original question, I don't know.

*the latter were not a Semetic group

[LARED]

22. I have no problem with historical facts

I do have a problem with your inability to explain why some may find this a problem?

Can you actually explain your comment?

[Chomp]

24. Wow

I have actually learned something in the 9/11 forum! Yay!!

Thanks to Lared and A-S for the interesting background info.



FWIW, I have absolutely not one clue what anyone else in this thread is talking about. lol.

[Lithos]

25. Locking

Such claims as stated seem to have been the product of a campaign against Jews from groups with a bigoted agenda.

Lithos
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