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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 11:04 AM
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The world we perceive is not a fixed and “objective” reality,
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 11:07 AM by seemslikeadream
http://news.skilluminati.com/?p=50

The world we perceive is not a fixed and “objective” reality, although we usually act as if that were so. What we perceive as real and what we value are powerfully influenced by our worldview. Our basic values and beliefs shape the everyday substance of our lives, the character of our collective life and institutions, and our impact on the world. They frame for us, personally and collectively, both our landscapes of experience and our horizons of possibility. A worldview that is appropriate for its era will generate new questions, empowering perspectives and innovative solutions to problems that seemed resistant to change. Conversely, intractable problems may indicate a worldview that is obsolete or limited. Many would argue that we’ve reached that point today — that the assumptions underlying the modern world are no longer adequate to our inner or outer realities. The emergence of integral worldviews, a new consensus on social values and the development of our capacities for personal, organizational and societal learning will all be crucial to our navigating the rapids of global change successfully.



http://www.skilluminati.com/docs/ChangingImages2000.pdf


http://www.skilluminati.com/docs/ChangingImagesOfMan-StanfordResearchInstitute.pdf





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"you know you white people, you have so much trouble understanding the way we Indians look at the world, it is very simple to understand how Native Americans view things, you only have to remember two things, one is, everything in the universe is alive, the other is, we are all relatives" and that is wisdom.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 11:55 AM
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1. You'd better gain control now
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 12:01 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU6DqgzgexA



Rudy's on a train to nowhere, halfway down the line
He don't wanna get there, but he needs time
He ain't sophisticated, no well-educated
After all the hours he's wasted, still he needs time
He needs time - he needs time for livin'
He needs time - for someone just to see him
He ain't had no lovin' for no reason or rhyme
And he whole world's above him
Well it's not us thought he's fat
No there's more to it than that
See he tries to play in school
Wouldn't be nobody's fool
Rudy thought that all good things comes to those what wait
But recently he could see that it may come too late
All through your life, all through the years
Nobody loved, nobody cared
So dim the light, dark are your fears
Try as I might, I can't hold back the tears
How can you live without love, it's not fair?
Someone said give, but I just didn't dare
What good advice are you waiting to hear?
Hearing's alright for them that's all there
You'd better gain control now
You'd better show 'em all now
You'd better make or break now
You'd better give and take now
You'll have to push and shove now
You'll have to find some love now
You'd better gain control now
Now he's just come out the movie
Numb of all the pain
Sad but in a while he'll soon be
Back on his train...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XibfRMJxgWY

You're tellin lies, so don't you criticize
Yeah I got used, all messed up and abused
You let me down, with all your runnin round
Still you pretend and try to call me friend
Don't say a word, I know just what I heard
Yeah youve been loose, you just go no excuse
Just feel my rage, why can't you come of age?
I felt it all, just like a cannonball
Then you got mad, you said that I'm all bad
So whats the use, you lied and thats the truth
You took the key and drove right out on me
I never knew, put all my trust in you
Ok thats it, I'm leaving now,
I quit I was unwise, so don't apologize
I paid the price, for taking your advice
I felt it all, just like a cannonball
You can say what you want all day
But I've never been so outraged
I'm washing my hands of you
How could you be so untrue
You know I can't stand no more
You know I can't stand no more .
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:09 PM
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2. Lemme guess: Salvia Divinorum? nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:49 PM
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4. Keep guessing sweetie
http://www.sltrib.com/SEARCH/ci_5271117

Affidavit: McVeigh had high-level help


According to Oklahoma bombing conspirator, ranking officials were involved in the attack
By Pamela Manson



Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah.
The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma," Nichols claims in a Feb. 9 affidavit.
Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, such as Social Security numbers and dates of birth.
The U.S. Attorney's Office in Utah had no comment on the allegations. The FBI and Justice Department in Washington, D.C., also declined comment.
Nichols does not say what motive the government would have to be involved in the bombing.
The affidavit was filed in a lawsuit brought by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, who believes his brother's death in a federal prison was linked to the Oklahoma City bombing. The suit, which seeks documents from the FBI under the federal Freedom of Information Act, alleges that authorities mistook Kenneth Trentadue for a bombing conspirator and that guards killed him in an interrogation that got out of hand.

Trentadue's death a few months after the April 19, 1995, bombing
was ruled a suicide after several investigations. The government has adamantly denied any wrongdoing in the death.
In his affidavit, Nichols says he wants to bring closure to the survivors and families of the attack on the Alfred B. Murrah Federal Building, which took 168 lives. He alleges he wrote then-Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2004, offering to help identify all parties who played a role in the bombing but never got a reply.

....



"There, in what I believe was an accidental slip of the tongue, McVeigh revealed the identity of a high-ranking FBI official who was apparently directing McVeigh in the bomb plot," Nichols says in the affidavit.
Nichols also says that McVeigh threatened him and his family to force him to rob Roger Moore, an Arkansas gun dealer, of weapons and explosives. He later learned the robbery was staged so Moore, who was in on the phony heist, could deny any knowledge of the bombing plot if the stolen items were traced back to him, Nichols claims.
He adds that Moore allegedly told his attorney that he would not be prosecuted in connection with the bombing because he was a "protected witness."
Moore could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
In addition, Nichols says McVeigh must have had help building the bomb. The device he and McVeigh built the day before the bombing did not resemble the one that ultimately was used, Nichols says, and "displayed a level of expertise and sophistication" that neither man had.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 03:41 PM
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5. Bad acid? "What the Bleep Do We Know? - Down the Rabbit Hole Edition"?
You're suspended in an isolation chamber?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 03:45 PM
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6. You seem to know your way around that chamber very well
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 04:02 PM
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7. I've wanted to try it ever since seeing Altered States. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:42 PM
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8. Nichols says bombing was FBI op
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C660197443%2C00.html

Nichols says bombing was FBI op

Detailed confession filed in S.L. about Oklahoma City plot

By Geoffrey Fattah

The declaration was filed as part of Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue's pending wrongful death suit against the government for the death of his brother in a federal corrections facility in Oklahoma City. Trentadue claims his brother was killed during an interrogation by FBI agents when agents mistook his brother for a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation.

The most shocking allegation in the 19-page signed declaration is Nichols' assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI operation and that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was taking instruction from former FBI official Larry Potts.

Potts was no stranger to anti-government confrontations, having been the lead FBI agent at Ruby Ridge in 1992, which led to the shooting death of Vicki Weaver, the wife of separatist Randy Weaver. Potts also was reportedly involved in the 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas in 1993, which resulted in a fire that killed 81 Branch Davidian followers.
Potts retired from the FBI under intense pressure and criticism for the cover-up of an order to allow agents to shoot anyone seen leaving the Weaver cabin at Ruby Ridge.

When contacted, the FBI's main office in Washington, D.C., said it could not provide immediate comment on Nichols' claims Tuesday.
Nichols claims that, in December 1992, McVeigh told him that "while he was serving in the U.S. Army, he had been recruited to carry out undercover missions."

In the next few years, the two men hatched the bombing plot. In October 1994, "McVeigh and I stole explosives from a quarry in Marion, Kansas consisting of 8 1/2 cases or boxes containing 229 (2-inch by 16-inch) sticks of the gel type explosive known as Tovex," Nichols wrote, adding that only a small amount was used in the actual bombing.
It was while traveling the gun-show circuit that Nichols claims the two obtained bombmaking knowledge and the materials used in the bombing. One example is that McVeigh allegedly attended a gun show in Knob Creek, Ky., in 1993.

"At this gun show, McVeigh had the opportunity to make contact with about 20 people who were bomb experts. McVeigh told me that he himself had no knowledge about how to construct a bomb, but that he always wanted to gain more knowledge about how to construct bombs," Nichols stated.
Nichols says he knew McVeigh was building the bomb, and in November 1994 he left for the Philippines to get away from the area to avoid being implicated.

"I did not want to be present when and if McVeigh did explode a bomb. Consequently, I left for the Philippines to be out of the country," he wrote.

That statement contradicts findings of Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, R-California, whose study on the bombing was made public last December. It indicated Nichols had traveled to the Philippines to receive bombing training by a possible foreign terrorist.
Having not heard of any bombing, Nichols said he returned to the U.S. in January 1995. It was later that, in a fit of rage, McVeigh mentioned Potts' name, Nichols wrote.
"McVeigh said he believed Potts was manipulating him and forcing him to 'go off script,' which I understood meant to change the target of the bombing," Nichols stated.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:21 PM
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3. "basic values and beliefs" such as
"the government would never do such a bad thing to its own people"

This while it doesn't take much to realize the 'we' aren't really 'their people'.

Corporate controlled media, corporate controlled government: where exactly do "we" fit in that picture?

Not to mention all the precedents of the government doing bad things to its own people: Northwoods, Cointelpro, MK-ultra, Gladio. To name but a few.
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