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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 11:49 AM
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Hypothetical situation: What would happen if MIHOP was proven true?
Let's imagine that a whistleblower came forward with an official memo entitled "9/11 MIHOP" signed Dick "Go **** Yourself" Cheney.

Firstly, how would the MSM react to the whistleblower. Would they take his/her calls? Would they give them airtime?

And if they did and the news was broadcast around the world how would Democrats react? Republicans? What about Europeans or muslims?

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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 11:57 AM
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1. It would be the biggest story on the planet. The MSM wouldn't hesitate to cover it.
Of course, you've left out what you mean by proof - the degree of certainty.

If there were currently a coherent theory supported by evidence, I'm sure the required "nail in the coffin" proof would be obvious.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:03 PM
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2. It would result in the same pardons and non-investigations that Iran/Contra did.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:09 PM
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3. "What If?"
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 12:10 PM by Kingshakabobo
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78jwhatif.phtml

Joan Face: Good evening, I'm Joan Face. Welcome again to "What If?" Each week on the show, we ask a hypothetical question about a specific historical event. Tonight's question, like all our questions, comes from a Mr. Kevin O'Donnell, age 10, a paperboy from Alton, Illinois. Kevin asks, "What If Superman grew up in Germany, instead of America?" With us to help answer this question is our panel of experts: Brigadier General Kevin Temple, and Eileen Houton, Professor of Modern History at Wellesly College, and owner of one of the largest comic book collections in the United States. Professor Houton, what if Superman grew up in Germany instead of America?

Eileen Houton: Well, Joan, as you know, Superman's father, Jor-El, sent the infant Superman from Krypton toward the planet Earth, where he landed in Kansas, sometime around 1930. Superman adopted the philosophies of his new parents, the Kents: truth, justice, and the American way. Now, if he had landed in, say, Prussia, he would have adopted entirely different values.

Joan Face: So, what you're saying is that the young Superman may well have become a Nazi?

Eileen Houton: Exactly!





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<user name deleted by kinghsakabobo..see lnk> (875 posts) Wed May-17-06 08:23 AM
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25. So what happens when much of what some call
"conspiracy theories" are proven to be fact?
Will it be hidden in the 9/11 forum still?


Just asking.

Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Wed May-17-06 08:24 AM
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26. When that happens...
...I will personally hand you a check for a million dollars.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:11 PM
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4. Watergate.
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 12:24 PM by MervinFerd
"Proof" of course, is the hard part.

Assuming there -were- a memo AND a named person attested to its authenticity AND the memo provided details that could be confirmed independently AND the memo detailed a plausible plan...

THEN....

the plot would unravel -very- quickly.

Once total secrecy is not assured, peripheral people would start trying to save their asses.

The Internet makes whistleblowing much simpler than in Watergate times. Post a scan of the document and a video on a bunch of sites and the story will be all over the world within hours.


Edit: I agree with King Shak: thinking about this hypothetical is akin to wondering about the course of history if Superman had landed in Germany instead of Kansas. --IF-- Dead-eye Dick Cheney were able to compose a memo and have "The Government" execute 911, ---THEN--- the world would be so very different from the real world that discussion of it is futile.

In the real world, ---IF--- such a thing were attempted, there would have been a leaked memo immediately. Dead-eye Dick knows this; THEREFORE, he did not try it.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 03:16 PM
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5. Don't you remember? This already happened but it was dismissed as old news.
Cheney Says He Masterminded 9/11, But the Spinners Refuse to Be Spun

By John J. Jenerik
TMNS Exclusive

Monday, October 16, 2006

NEW YORK: Their opinions may differ, but American politicians and pundits of all persuasions seem united in their resolve not to let Dick Cheney's 9/11 confession turn their world upside down.

Their troubles began when Mr. Cheney extolled his own role as a "primary architect of the events of September 11, 2001" last Tuesday at a White House press conference. The Republican vice-president surprised reporters with the revelation that the air attacks on New York and Washington were orchestrated by "a network of experienced covert operatives" under his command.

In Mr. Cheney's words, this "shadow executive" subverted a "Red Team" participating in US military maneuvers. "They used the routine wargames scheduled for September 11th as the cover for a 'real-world' attack," Mr. Cheney said. "I can't say much more than that because as you can guess, we did our best to keep me out of the loop."

"By the time the day arrived, all I really had to do from the bunker downstairs was to make sure there was no interference from the genius at the top," Mr. Cheney said, in an apparent reference to President George W. Bush.

Chuckling, Cheney added: "The boys in the field were magnificent."

A second team under separate command had been assigned to assure the destruction of the World Trade Center itself, Mr. Cheney said.

The intent of the action was to blame the resulting carnage on the "false flag" of the shadowy al-Qaeda network, itself mostly a construct of Western and allied intelligence services, according to Mr. Cheney. "Our motive was to frighten Americans into supporting a long-planned global war of aggression, which we saw as necessary given geopolitical developments. We also wanted to remove all limits on executive power at home," he said. "The Islamic fundamentalists made for irresistible patsies, really straight out of central casting."

Mr. Cheney then directly addressed the assembled press corps: "We knew the operation would leave a lot of loose ends, but we relied on you guys in the media to ignore those and patch up a telegenic narrative.

"You came through, and the nation thanks you for it."

Refusing further questions, Mr. Cheney announced he was returning to his underground complex in Pennsylvania, where he intends "to oversee the next steps in the program we initiated on 9/11."

Opposition Delivers Swift Riposte

With mid-term elections just three weeks away, Democratic leaders chose to show restraint. Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer, speaking at a Capitol Hill press conference Wednesday, avoided making direct references to Mr. Cheney. Announcing a proposal to beef up Homeland Security spending, the Democratic senators from New York urged the administration to be "more effective in fighting the common enemy."

"All this should finally spur the White House to hurry up and prosecute a more focused and vigorous war on terror," Ms. Clinton said. "9/11 was a terrible tragedy for so many hard-working, ordinary people who lost their loved ones in the great state of New York. They don't need to have those memories dredged up again by those who have so clearly proven their incompetence elsewhere, from Iraq to New Orleans. Our homeland needs better protection now."

"This is no time to dwell on the past," said Senator Joe Biden of Delaware, echoing a broad consensus of his colleagues in the Democratic Party.

Democracy Vibrant As Ever, as Debate Among Sophists Proves

Intellectuals on the right greeted the news with a touch of realism. "9/11 was a bold, geopolitically savvy move, and I can't wait to see what's coming next," William Kristol of the Project for a New American Century said in an appearance on FOXNEWS.

"To save America, our leaders knew they had to go large," Kristol added. "Without 9/11, would people in this country have understood the threat in time? I have no doubt that history will judge the vice-president as a man of imposing foresight and courage."

On the left, many directly questioned the truth of Mr. Cheney's confession.

"That's just not how the intelligence world works," said David Corn of The Nation magazine. "It's ridiculous to see Cheney, who has no formal command over the US military, as some kind of James Bond villain who could pull off an attack on that scale all by himself. He's just a forgotten old man holed up in a cave somewhere, and now he's reaching for the political Viagra."

Chip Berlet, a leading critic of the "paranoid corrosion" of American politics, stated that "Cheney is a right-wing conspiracy theorist who has lied many times in the past. He lied about weapons of mass destruction and the 9/11 link to Iraq. Why should progressives trust him when he claims something even more outrageous?"

The moderators of DemocraticUnderground.com, a popular, ultra-liberal message board, announced the site would maintain its policy of transferring all threads linking to news of Mr. Cheney's confession to a specialized forum devoted to 9/11-related issues, called the "Conspiracy Dungeon" by many of the members.

A website that specializes in debunking urban legends published a page linking to several videos, allegedly of Osama Bin Ladin, in which the al-Qaeda leader describes orchestrating the 9/11 attacks. "Bin Ladin confessed to this crime almost five years ago," said Barbara Mikkelson, editor of Snopes.com. "Cheney's belated jump on the bandwagon changes nothing about that."

The heavyweights of punditry devoted little attention to an issue they privately characterized as "old news."

"Everyone from Bangalore to Silicon Valley knew 9/11 was an inside job," according to Thomas Friedman of the New York Times, who said he had not considered mentioning the matter in his column. "Why chew up crucial mental RAM about it now, when Korea and Iran are on a horse that's gone nuclear, and shiny red Ipods are ka-zapping that news to all five corners of the flat world, a hundred Google-times faster than before? Gosh, do you know how big a hundred Google-times is? It's big!"

Syndicated columnist Maureen Dowd discerned a pattern of fear-mongering by the administration. "Just when we as a nation had grown comfortable with the idea of an omnipresent, shadowy foreign enemy never resting in its determination to kill us all suddenly, anywhere and by any means, Boss Cheney has to go and tell us the real enemy is inside our own government," Ms. Dowd wrote. "All he ever does is raise new specters to keep us frightened."

Smelly Eccentrics Provide for Additional Rustic Color

Even 9/11 conspiracy buffs sought to downplay the news, with many noting that Mr. Cheney had said nothing they have not already claimed for years.

"We were the first site to prove definitively that the government orchestrated 9/11, back on the afternoon of September 12th," said Darrin Smart of MacrameFuture.com (formerly TheReallySmart911Website.org). "In the meantime, we have moved on to more pressing issues, like sustainable culture to overcome the imminent resource Apocalypse."

"Cheney's confirmation is welcome, but it's late and off-point," Mr. Smart said.

Other, more radical conspiracy theorists characterized Mr. Cheney's confession of orchestrating 9/11 on behalf of a group of moneyed imperialists and Bush administration business cronies as "a limited hangout" - a partial revelation of apparently damaging information, in reality designed to cover up the role of yet darker and more powerful forces behind the scenes.

"Cheney is just another LIHOP gatekeeper. This is a cover-up," said Frederico Head. As the spokesperson of DestroyAllGatekeepers.net, Mr. Head leads a fast-moving nationwide campaign devoted to exposing all other 9/11 conspiracy sites as CIA fronts. "They are trying to prevent an immediate armed revolution by 90 percent of the American people. This would have already happened, except that Amy Goodman and WorldNetDaily refuse to tell the truth."

Mr. Head claimed to have definitively proven "9/11 was a globalist inside job" by midnight on September 11th, declaring: "Everything that happened on 9/11 was physically impossible!"

Professor Jonathan U.R. Betters is the secretary-general of Endoctorated Experts for 9/11 Revelations, a group claiming 3.5 million accredited scientists as members. "What about the connection to reverse-engineered extraterrestrial flight technologies," he asked. "When are you going to tell us about that, Mr. Cheney?"

"Cheney is paving the way for his true masters in a Hegelian dialectic - problem, reaction, solution," said Richard Stones, Supreme Leader of the Total MIHOP Warriors Alliance and host of the "Galactic Deathcamp" radio program.

"Before you celebrate that 9/11 has been exposed, remember that the UN-led Chinese Army is poised along the Mexican border. They are here to impose a one-world government by Jimmy Carter, Hillary Clinton, Nelson Mandela, George Soros, Gorbachev, Zionists, euthanasiasts, Freemasons and Bilderbergers.

"And make no mistake: They will take our guns away!"

Radio talk kingpin Rush Limbaugh shot back at the conspiracy theorists in kind, describing 9/11 as a "necessary sacrifice" and "a gift" to the American people. He called it "a shame" that Mr. Stones was not also among the victims of the attacks.

"Most of those killed were Democrat defeatists who would have otherwise been massacred in even greater numbers by the Islamofascist animals," Mr. Limbaugh said on his program last Thursday. "And now these lily-livers have the gall to attack President Bush's team because they acted too boldly to protect them?"

According to Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Cheney's bombshell proves that the Bush administration has prevented any foreign attack on the American homeland throughout its entire term in office.

A caller from Ohio typified sentiments among Mr. Limbaugh's listeners: "Okay, so it was an inside job. The liberals need to shut up about it already. We pay our leaders to know more and better than we do."

Law and Orderly, Business Proceeds Apace

New York Stock Exchange indices rallied starting Tuesday morning, spurred by the perception that Mr. Cheney's clear statement would end the 9/11 conspiracy speculations undermining consumer confidence. Arms-makers, security companies and pharmaceuticals led the way.

The aerospace sector spiked again Thursday after Warren Buffet's surprise announcement that he and his financial empire would relocate headquarters from Omaha to a new mansion aboard the International Space Station. But the Dow Jones Average was down again Friday, on the heels of a world-wide plunge in the US dollar.

Manhattan shoppers seemed unperturbed as canned goods, first-aid kits and crank-powered radio/flashlight sets flew off the shelves. Talk of a possible World Series appearance for the New York Mets filled the EPA-certified air.

At the offices of Eliot Spitzer, the attorney general of New York state, staff members declined to say whether Mr. Cheney's revelations suggest probable cause for a criminal investigation. A spokesman noted only that Mr. Cheney's comments did not constitute a legal deposition. Mr. Spitzer, on the campaign trail for New York governor, was unavailable for comment.

In Chicago, federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald announced his crack team was launching an inconclusive three-year investigation to determine whether Cheney had illegally revealed any state secrets during last Tuesday's press conference.

Leave it to veteran journalist Geraldo Rivera to put the big picture in proper perspective. "One question still has all of America abuzz," he said Wednesday at the top of Geraldo at Large, his half-hour daily program. "Do we have any news about pretty Natalie Holloway, missing for almost two years since she was last seen drinking and dancing at a teenie-bopper bar in Aruba? We'll be wading into the shark-infested waters of the Carribbean, right after the break."

Ya gotta love America!

(ends)

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:31 PM
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14. That's great
and almost plausible.

I think that if someone made the accusation against Bush or Cheney (and the MSM actually reported it) then we would see swiftboating against the accuser like we have never seen before. Condi, Poppy, Pickles, Babs and just about every member of the family and neocon inner circle would be roped in to do the interview circuit to say how shocked and upset they were at such ridiculous/absurd/outrageous accustations. The freepers and RW bloggers would be on the case to find any little discrepancy in the story (cf Dan Rather's Memogate). Then after about a week of this media-blitz there would be a distraction (bombing of a claimed terrorist HQ somewhere - Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq - doesn't matter) and the news cycle would move on and forget about the accusation.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:11 AM
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15. Hi-larious!
:slapsknee:
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The Lone Groover Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 03:24 PM
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6. If MIHOP was proven true...
..then it would make no difference to the powers behind the throne.

Some people would hang... but plausible deniabilty would kick in for the people who really wield the power.

They are not stupid... they've been doing it for a long time.
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Bryan Sacks Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 04:37 PM
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7. Non-hypothetical situation from today's news: let's see what happens
Affidavit: McVeigh had high-level help
According to Oklahoma bombing conspirator, ranking officials were involved in the attack

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5271117?source=sb-digg

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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 11:13 PM
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8. Did Vince Foster commit suicide? YES or NO.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:17 AM
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16. Interesting sidebar link
to a speech by Ehud Barak saying "other" ME countries should not have nuclear weapons, conveniently side-stepping the fact that Israel does.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 11:58 PM
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9. If
you climbed up a cows ass could you get a milkshake.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 08:26 AM
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10. You don't have anything to add
to the discussion, do you.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 08:39 AM
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13. Neither, apparently, do you.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 09:21 PM
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17. And neither
did the op.
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ma2007 Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 08:38 AM
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11. Wrong question. It already IS proven true ...
... and we all see what happens.
Truth is not a matter of evidence but of existence in the media and judicial system - so it is a question of power.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 08:39 AM
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12. Ridiculous answer. nt.
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